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queenofheartscv
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You cannot call that unfairly. If Trump truly believes the Pope is calling him a “non-christian,” you can’t blame him for his word choice. He’s also saying the press is partially to blame.
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Cider
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Well I wasn’t taking issue with your post, Brietbart is the one that chose the inaccurate title.I meant to say he backs trump in the immigration issue. Actually he’s kind of forced to take Trump’s position because voters have been loud and clear. He’s moved from the “act of love” previous position.
Sorry for not wording my post very well.
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Isca
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I’m sorry, if this wasn’t so offensive it would be laughable.USA started off as 90+% Caucasian country. Back in 1860’s Lincoln’s govt purchased Liberia with the goal of transfering all the Blacks there and let them have their own nation. For whatever reason it didn’t happen, but the intention was there. Europe was for most of it’s history 100% Caucasian. Now it’s changing, and it’s not good. If this continues, the Caucasian people will disappear and will be replaced by a mongrel race. If this is not a genocide, I don’t know what is.
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irishpatrick
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Come on. Read the Pope’s words, and then read Trump’s.You cannot call that unfairly. If Trump truly believes the Pope is calling him a “non-christian,” you can’t blame him for his word choice. He’s also saying the press is partially to blame.
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queenofheartscv
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I’ve read them. To be honest, I just don’t know how to interpret the Pope’s words. That’s all I can say.Come on. Read the Pope’s words, and then read Trump’s.
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Good_Tidings
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He is consistent in that regard. He does not make the case for calm heads prevailing.But, as many of have said, Trump unfairly responded to the Pope, who is the Pastor over 1.2 billion Catholics, and is a head of state. Is that how we want him treating world leaders? And do we want someone who denies the truth?
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irishpatrick
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It is so plain and obvious.I’ve read them. To be honest, I just don’t know how to interpret the Pope’s words. That’s all I can say.
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Cider
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I’ve felt that way more times than I can count in the last 3 years.I’ve read them. To be honest, I just don’t know how to interpret the Pope’s words. That’s all I can say.
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queenofheartscv
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I think the Pope could have had a much better answer.It is so plain and obvious.
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Good_Tidings
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Yes, of course, the press.You cannot call that unfairly. If Trump truly believes the Pope is calling him a “non-christian,” you can’t blame him for his word choice. He’s also saying the press is partially to blame.
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Son_of_Niall
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I want a pastor who challenges me, challenges my thinking and world-view to bring it in line with Jesus. Pope Francis is pastor of the Catholic Church, and if you have read anything he has written, you come away with the knowledge that this man is extremely intelligent and spiritual. He’s no fool being led along by the nose or a bumbler who has to be told what to say. If what he said bothers some people, imagine what will bother you when you stand before Christ and hear what He has to say.
With that I bid adieu to this thread.
Listen to our Pope!!
With that I bid adieu to this thread.
Listen to our Pope!!
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Robert_Bay
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Cider
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You know the thing that really annoys me about Trump, he acts like he owns everything. He falsely claims that no one was talking about immigration before he did. That’s just flat out untrue. Immigration has been a hotly debated topic for years. Rick Perry was all over Obama about it when he was in office. Heck back in 2008 when Obama was running he said he supported a wall. So did the Republicans. But nooooo it was all Trumps idea.
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JimR-OCDS
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Not sure if this was already posted, but here is part of the transcript of what the Pope actually said;
hil Pullella, Reuters: Today, you spoke very eloquently about the problems of immigration. On the other side of the border, there is a very tough electoral battle. One of the candidates for the White House, Republican Donald Trump, in an interview recently said that you are a political man and he even said that you are a pawn, an instrument of the Mexican government for migration politics. Trump said that if he’s elected, he wants to build 2,500 kilometers of wall along the border. He wants to deport 11 million illegal immigrants, separating families, etcetera. I would like to ask you, what do you think of these accusations against you and if a North American Catholic can vote for a person like this?
Pope Francis: Thank God he said I was a politician because Aristotle defined the human person as ‘animal politicus.’ At least I am a human person. As to whether I am a pawn, well, maybe, I don’t know. I’ll leave that up to your judgment and that of the people. And then, a person who thinks only about building walls, wherever they may be, and not building bridges, is not Christian. This is not in the Gospel. As far as what you said about whether I would advise to vote or not to vote, I am not going to get involved in that. I say only that this man is not Christian if he has said things like that. We must see if he said things in that way and in this I give the benefit of the doubt.
catholicnewsagency.com/news/full-text-of-pope-francis-in-flight-interview-from-mexico-to-rome-85821/
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hil Pullella, Reuters: Today, you spoke very eloquently about the problems of immigration. On the other side of the border, there is a very tough electoral battle. One of the candidates for the White House, Republican Donald Trump, in an interview recently said that you are a political man and he even said that you are a pawn, an instrument of the Mexican government for migration politics. Trump said that if he’s elected, he wants to build 2,500 kilometers of wall along the border. He wants to deport 11 million illegal immigrants, separating families, etcetera. I would like to ask you, what do you think of these accusations against you and if a North American Catholic can vote for a person like this?
Pope Francis: Thank God he said I was a politician because Aristotle defined the human person as ‘animal politicus.’ At least I am a human person. As to whether I am a pawn, well, maybe, I don’t know. I’ll leave that up to your judgment and that of the people. And then, a person who thinks only about building walls, wherever they may be, and not building bridges, is not Christian. This is not in the Gospel. As far as what you said about whether I would advise to vote or not to vote, I am not going to get involved in that. I say only that this man is not Christian if he has said things like that. We must see if he said things in that way and in this I give the benefit of the doubt.
catholicnewsagency.com/news/full-text-of-pope-francis-in-flight-interview-from-mexico-to-rome-85821/
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gracepoole
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Ta-da.
I really dislike guessing correctly here.
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Path_Finder
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An opinion piece is hardly proof of guessing correctly. Especially from WaPo.Ta-da.
I really dislike guessing correctly here.
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irishpatrick
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And then, a person who thinks only about building walls, wherever they may be, and not building bridges, is not Christian. This is not in the gospel.I think the Pope could have had a much better answer.
As far as what you said about whether I would advise to vote or not to vote, I am not going to get involved in that.
I say only that this man is not Christian if he said things like that. We must see if he said things in that way and in this I give the benefit of the doubt.
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Maximilan_Kolbe
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In fairness, we’ve some folks claim he wasn’t specifically addressing Trump (and as I said, how could he be, since referenced what a man thinks, which the Pope cannot know), and others, KevinF most recently, flat out saying Ridgerunner should drop the pretense and admit the Pope was specifically saying to Trump he isn’t a Christian because of his immigration stance.Come on. Read the Pope’s words, and then read Trump’s.
I’m not sure what the problem is. Trump’s plan involves both bridges and walls. It doesn’t in letter violate the Catechism. Folks want to focus on the walls and leave out the bridges. Or chutes and leave out the ladders. Or something.
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queenofheartscv
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the Pope knows very well he’s being asked about Trump, so he can’t just throw in the "if"s and expect people to think he’s not talking about Trump.And then, a person who thinks only about building walls, wherever they may be, and not building bridges, is not Christian. This is not in the gospel.
As far as what you said about whether I would advise to vote or not to vote, I am not going to get involved in that.
I say only that this man is not Christian if he said things like that. We must see if he said things in that way and in this I give the benefit of the doubt.
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irishpatrick
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Yes, good points. Yet, all Trump had to say is that the Pope’s words did not apply to him. Done. But, instead he lashed out.In fairness, we’ve some folks claim he wasn’t specifically addressing Trump (and as I said, how could he be, since referenced what a man thinks, which the Pope cannot know), and others, KevinF most recently, flat out saying Ridgerunner should drop the pretense and admit the Pope was specifically saying to Trump he isn’t a Christian because of his immigration stance.
I’m not sure what the problem is. Trump’s plan involves both bridges and walls. It doesn’t in letter violate the Catechism. Folks want to focus on the walls and leave out the bridges. Or chutes and leave out the ladders. Or something.
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