Pope suggests Trump: not Christian

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I know that. But Hispanics constitute 40% of Catholics within the US. and there are some projections that within a decade they’ll be in the majority (of Catholics, that is). Somehow you have to deal with that. English isn’t exactly the easiest of languages to learn and speak well.
I am sure Spanish is fine in Church, now two of those news stories left were about Jeb Bush and his speaking Spanish, I don’t think there is anything wrong with saying “I’d prefer Jeb was speaking Spanish” which is the way I remember it.

Anyway, we have a Separation of Church and State and Freedom of Religion, I don’t see Spanish Masses, Latin Masses and so on in any jeopardy .
 
Truthfully thinking I used to be in line with republicans on immigration, but the more I think about it I am not entirely in favor with them. Instead I want to view it for a Christian/Catholic perspective.

I am even reading a book by my archbishop (LA Archdioceses) {which I will be Confirmed this April} on America and immigration:

smile.amazon.com/Immigration-Next-America-Renewing-Nation/dp/1612787185/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1455837948&sr=1-1

“An American renewed in the image of her founding promises of universal rights rooted in God and not in blood or race”

“As Americans, we all need to pray and work together for the common good of our nation”

“We need to not look at these issues not from the self interested perspectives of politics, but from Gods point of view”

He and Pope Francis share the same thinking. I used to totally be a Trump supporter but I slowly going away from him. However, if the final battle is between him vs Sander or Hillary, I will vote for him.
 
Yes, and the Pope has condemned abortion in strong ways. In fact, he just released statements calling abortion a crime. He will not call politicians out by name, just as he did not call Trump out by name. And, the Church has a strong record in defending marriage. The Pope has every expectation that our own Bishops will also do their part and that lay Catholics are supposed to follow the very faith they claim.
Well we do have documents from our Bishops that abortion is the most important issue for Catholics when voting…

ncregister.com/daily-news/archbishop-chaput-other-moral-issues-not-equivalent-to-abortion
“But of course, children need to survive the womb before they can have needs like food, shelter, immigration counseling and good health care. Humanity’s priority right — the one that undergirds all other rights — is the right to life,” he said.
And while being opposed to abortion and euthanasia does not excuse anyone from caring about other social injustices, such a poverty and violence, there is a right ordering of moral priorities, Archbishop Chaput said, which is the reason the United States’ bishops released their 1998 pastoral letter, “Living the Gospel of Life.”
Any politics of human dignity must seriously address issues of racism, poverty, hunger, employment, education, housing and health care. … But being ‘right’ in such matters can never excuse a wrong choice regarding direct attacks on innocent human life.”
“Indeed, the failure to protect and defend life in its most vulnerable stages renders suspect any claims to the ‘rightness’ of positions in other matters affecting the poorest and least powerful of the human community” (“Living the Gospel of Life,” 22).
Actually I do see Pope Francis as admonishing liberals also in the interview. Maybe not as directly but… he talked about someone who wants walls is not a Christian attitude. He then he goes on to talk about the evil of abortion and reinforcing the teaching of Jesus against so called homosexual marriage. Those are walls against life and family. So we can infer from that statement that those who go against those teachings of Jesus as not being Christian.
 
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Hungary (IIRC:o) built a wall. The number of attempted incursions into Hungary went from hundreds to a handful. Over night.
I’d hardly suggest that Hungary be viewed as a model in terms of how it views different races, ethnicities, and religions. Its current and ongoing struggle with antisemitism is nothing short of horrifying. Do we really want to fashion ourselves in the likeness of a country with a capital that boasts a 50% rate of antisemitism? Does this really speak of a people who are espousing Christian attitudes toward those often seen as “the other”?

hungarianfreepress.com/2015/04/01/half-of-budapest-residents-are-anti-semites-the-dramatic-spread-of-hungarian-antisemitism/
 
I am sure Spanish is fine in Church, now two of those news stories left were about Jeb Bush and his speaking Spanish, I don’t think there is anything wrong with saying “I’d prefer Jeb was speaking Spanish” which is the way I remember it.

Anyway, we have a Separation of Church and State and Freedom of Religion, I don’t see Spanish Masses, Latin Masses and so on in any jeopardy .
Okay, but ministry, Spanish or otherwise, extends to more than just what’s “in Church.” Just saying.
 
Okay, but ministry, Spanish or otherwise, extends to more than just what’s “in Church.” Just saying.
I can speak Spanish, I’ve probably known hundreds of Hispanics who can speak English.
 
I support Trump over the Pope on this issue. We need to do something to stop the flood of illegals coming over the border.
 
Put everything aside about what the Pope said about Trump, the issue of immigration is really what matters. Majority of americans want a wall, and here the Pope gives the impression again that he sees the wall as evil.
I don’t think we are ready for one world order, without borders. Focusing on legal immigration is a valid national concern, and it can be done yet still treat people with dignity
 
I don’t think we are ready for one world order, without borders. Focusing on legal immigration is a valid national concern, and it can be done yet still treat people with dignity
I believe that’s fully in line with the pope’s remarks.
 
I support Trump over the Pope on this issue. We need to do something to stop the flood of illegals coming over the border.
Quite a statement from a Catholic. This issue has political, moral, and faith aspects. Yet, despite the Pope speaking about the moral and faith aspects, you side with a non-Catholic businessman.

And I wonder why we cannot make any progress regarding so many social issues–

The Vicar of Christ versus an opportunistic businessman. The very fact that this can even be considered tells us where we are today.
 
God bless Pope Francis,
cnn.com/2016/02/18/politi…hristian-wall/

This is a monumental thing and a very positive thing for Pope Francis to say…its crystal clear…Your not a Christian if you support Donald Trump. Pope Francis is a hero for the world because of how the Pope stands up for Christians and non Christians alike. I feel very proud to be a Catholic today.
 
Quite a statement from a Catholic. This issue has political, moral, and faith aspects. Yet, despite the Pope speaking about the moral and faith aspects, you side with a non-Catholic businessman.

And I wonder why we cannot make any progress regarding so many social issue–
So now everything is the fault of Trump and his supporters. Got it!
 
Quite a statement from a Catholic. This is has political, moral, and faith aspects. Yet, despite the Pope speaking about the moral and faith aspects, you side with a non-Catholic businessman.
How about statements made in the last two elections? We have an anti Catholic, pro contraception, pro abortion, redefining marriage, supporter of the Planned Parenthood that you’ve seen in the latest videos government. Helped to be put in place by a fair amount of ‘catholics’.
 
I’ve read two different news sources on this, and they leave out what Pope Francis was responding to.

Bold is my emphasis:

What did the reporter say Trump said, as he presented the question to Pope Francis ?

It seems that the media is spinning this and having Trump respond to the spun account.

Jim
I hope you are being facetious.
Hello Jim… hello queenofhearts,

It would make sense if the media outlets got the Popes translation right this time. After all The Pope has been on record vehemently supporting the cause of the refugees…calling upon Christians in Europe to take in refugees. The Vatican itself has taken in refugees.
 
I agree - but I don’t think this outburst will affect votes in any direction for anyone. I think a Catholic or any kind of Christian has a moral responsibility to oppose Trump. Ditto a good pagan. His goal is to deconstruct the GOP establishment, whatever that is - a nonviolent revolution, really, at least that is the pitch to the natives. Except for when he gets there, he’ll deal with everyone, including the liberals. My guess is he will be mindblowingly ‘establishment.’ Mitt Romney territory.

I am resigned to waiting it out - until we watch the blowback from his betrayed supporters, and also remember late night TV will be hilarious when he is in office - silver linings are out there to the cloud. I just hope we don’t get nuked under him…😉
I agree, sadly. The very fact that so many Catholics do not seem to understand what the Vicar of Christ is, that is amazing and painful. Pope Francis is a successor to Peter, who was appointed directly by Christ–which in turn means the Pope is part of a direct line back to our Lord. He is the Pastor over the entire universal church on earth, and he holds the Keys to the Kingdom. Yet, regarding an issue that covers politics, morals and faith, many Catholics are siding with a businessman over the Vicar of Christ.

And just how offensive is it to hear the refrain from USA Catholics stating this Pope is a leftist, which is some backward way of trying to claim the Pope cannot think clearly. It also implies the College of Cardinals and the Holy Spirit picked the wrong man, because according to those views this Pope doesn’t have a balanced pov.

The Pope is not left or right–he is Catholic, the Vicar of Christ. One would expect the Pope to be an equal opportunity upsetter, in that if we think about Jesus, His message of truth upset people of all types…seems nothing ever changes.
 
How about statements made in the last two elections? We have an anti Catholic, pro contraception, pro abortion, redefining marriage, supporter of the Planned Parenthood that you’ve seen in the latest videos government. Helped to be put in place by a fair amount of ‘catholics’.
I agree. So? That just proves how “not” Catholic those catholics are/were.
 
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