Pope suggests Trump: not Christian

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Perhaps Irishpatrick reads more than the Drudge Report and Breitnbart.
Is this a constructive contribution to the debate? I think not.

The news is the news, media matters is quoted here, again, the messenger and not the message is being attacked. Please indicate where a story is false if one must disagree.
 
Perhaps Irishpatrick reads more than the Drudge Report and Breitnbart.
You really do look down on people, don’t you? If we don’t agree with you, we are dim-witted and we have a narrow horizon. How nice of a catholic you are! And you are the best kind because you would never go against the Pope unlike those other stupid proud renegades who dare to question the Holy Father.
 
Never used the word infallible, and never would with this issue.

You, and many others, are failing to see what I think is obvious. The Pope does not like the idea of a wall–neither do I, and I hope you don’t either. However, the Pope never said not to build a wall. He simply said that if a person ONLY thinks of building walls, and does not also think of building bridges, that is not Christian behavior.

As for the faith and morals part–if this was a wall that had no impact on human lives, I am certain the Pope would not say a word. However, there is an authentic humanitarian crisis going on at the border–people are dying, and some are suffering and starving. Most are just trying to get away from what is a horrible situation–a situation in which we have no understanding. The Pope knows we have the resources to help alleviate some of that incredible suffering, and now all he hears is our politicians want to build a wall to lock out those suffering people. He certainly knows we (USA) have a right to our borders and to our own soveirnty–but he also knows that great suffering is happening. So, he is saying that if we only want to shut out the suffering, without trying to help alleviate that suffering, we are not acting as Christians. It is pure Gospel and it is 100% faith and morals.

Try to image if Jesus came down and temporarily took the Pope’s place for a day. Can you imagine the Lord saying less than what the Pope said? Can you imagine the Lord saying, “Not my business because the all important USA is having an election?” Can you imagine the Lord saying, “Hey, USA, its fine to ignore all this suffering.”

Well, the Pope is Jesus’ Vicar–try to actually let that sink in. There is not one human being on earth that has more authority to speak about faith and orals, than does the Pope. Not even one. he was not speaking infallibly, yet he was speaking as the Vicar of Christ about a matter of faith and morals.

I hope you have a blessed night. 🙂
👍 thanks for that!
 
You really do look down on people, don’t you? If we don’t agree with you, we are dim-witted and we have a narrow horizon. How nice of a catholic you are! And you are the best kind because you would never go against the Pope unlike those other stupid proud renegades who dare to question the Holy Father.
Your behavior is commendable and your debate too and very Christian in my estimation.

That’s all I care to say, I respect posting privileges here and that is what they indeed are!
 
theologically, Jesus condescends to us, forever bridging the infinite gap between man and God. so in some sense, walls between peoples are un-christian because we are supposed to be one body with Christ as the head. we put up walls, not God.

but, whether one should vote for trump is another question.
 
“No leader, especially a religious leader, should have the right to question another man’s religion or faith,” Donald Trump

For me looking in on this issue I consider this statement by Trump to be another example of his hypocrisy.

Just last week he questioned Ted Cruz’s Christianity.

“How can Ted Cruz be an Evangelical Christian when he lies so much and is so dishonest?” Donald Trump thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/269238-trump-how-is-cruz-christian-when-he-lies-so-much

For a man who is running for the office of POTUS, who states that no leader should question another man’s religion or faith. I just can’t take Trump’s criticism of our Pope with any amount of seriousness especially after Trump blatantly question the faith of another man.
Yes, but Cruz, Rubio and Trump are all in a heated battle. I don’t recall Cruz calling people names but I believe the good Senator Rubio has called other people liars, so in other words, that is indeed a scrum they are in, directly competing against each other.
 
I am proud to be for Marco Rubio and I am ashamed at the deal between the USA and Cuba, helping out dictators with millions of dollars and not helping out the poor. 👍

I will rely on the authoritative Magisterium of the Church as the ultimate authority.
 
You really do look down on people, don’t you? If we don’t agree with you, we are dim-witted and we have a narrow horizon. How nice of a catholic you are! And you are the best kind because you would never go against the Pope unlike those other stupid proud renegades who dare to question the Holy Father.
I’m not considering myself higher than others. Those publications appeal to the lesser angels and certainly know how to spin a story. I have personal experience with Brietbart. com. so I know what I’m talking about. I was also a lit professor, so I know a little about cognitive skills. So you consider yourself a proud renegade? Does that mean the the term cafeteria catholic applies?
We are all in the same boat since we are Americans. Forgive be if I bring my background into the conversation.
 
If we build a wall, without caring for those on the southern side, we are not acting in a Christian manner.
NOPE, the US Federal Govt is not morally obligated to govern our neighbors south of the Border. ** The US Federal Govt is obligated to focus on its flock, US Citizens.**

We should be good neighbor, especially in a crisis, but they are a separate country, full of adults. That means responding with help in emergencies, like earthquakes, and providing expertise as requested by their Govt.

If you also want to feed and clothe them, donate your time and money to an appropriate charity. ** It’s just not the responsibility of our Govt.**
 
NOPE, the US Federal Govt is not morally obligated to govern our neighbors south of the Border. ** The US Federal Govt is obligated to focus on its flock, US Citizens**.

We should be good neighbor, especially in a crisis, but they are a separate country, full of adults. That means responding with help in emergencies, like earthquakes, and providing expertise as requested by their Govt.

If you also want to feed and clothe them, donate your time and money to an appropriate charity. ** It’s just not the responsibility of our Govt.**
Well said my Catholic brother; Rome Speaks! 👍

We Catholics follow the teachings of the Vatican!
 
If Trump had been smart, he would have tried to find out what the Pope actually said without relying on the first media account before he fired back with his own “disgraceful” comment.
He tempered his statements tonight, but it was too little too late. There is something to be said about acting in haste and repenting in leisure.
 
He tempered his statements tonight, but it was too little too late. There is something to be said about acting in haste and repenting in leisure.
No, it wasn’t too late, he didn’t need to temper them. Trump cares where Americans get hurt or killed by foreigners. If Trump misspoke, show me one human being who never has.
 
I’m not considering myself higher than others. Those publications appeal to the lesser angels and certainly know how to spin a story. I have personal experience with Brietbart. com. so I know what I’m talking about. I was also a lit professor, so I know a little about cognitive skills. So you consider yourself a proud renegade? Does that mean the the term cafeteria catholic applies?
We are all in the same boat since we are Americans. Forgive be if I bring my background into the conversation.
You may have experience at Breitbart but that is no authority, I saw nothing inaccurate was shown about the story. If the big news networks don’t report it, perhaps others will.
 
I think when people are using the authority of the Holy Father, this whole issue is dealing with infallibility, it is said we can disagree with the Pope.
Perhaps it would be wise to research to the topic of papal infallibility before you post any more about it.
 
You may have experience at Breitbart but that is no authority, I saw nothing inaccurate was shown about the story. If the big news networks don’t report it, perhaps others will.
You seem to think that all sites are equal. They are not.
 
NOPE, the US Federal Govt is not morally obligated to govern our neighbors south of the Border. ** The US Federal Govt is obligated to focus on its flock, US Citizens**.

We should be good neighbor, especially in a crisis, but they are a separate country, full of adults. That means responding with help in emergencies, like earthquakes, and providing expertise as requested by their Govt.

If you also want to feed and clothe them, donate your time and money to an appropriate charity. ** It’s just not the responsibility of our Govt.**
I never said the U.S. Government had to do anything. This entire thread is about what Jesus mandates of His followers. If a Christian of any denomination decides to build a wall, and yet ignores the pain on the other side, he is not acting as a Christian. For Christians, the call of Christ always comes first. That was the central message the Pope gave. We cannot hide behind a wall when it come to very real human suffering.

Matthew 25:40-46

*The King will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me.’

41 “Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. 42 For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, 43 I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.’

44 “They also will answer, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?’

45 “He will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.’

46 “Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life.”*

IMO, the Pope has once again done us a fantastic service. For he is again reminding us about what the Lord sees as important, rather than what we see is important.
 
. If Trump misspoke, show me one human being who never has.
Doesn’t matter. He’s running for President. Every single word he says goes under the microscope. It’s the way the game is played. He knows it. They all know it, and they know that the slightest misstep is an opening for an opponent to attack.
 
You may have experience at Breitbart but that is no authority, I saw nothing inaccurate was shown about the story. If the big news networks don’t report it, perhaps others will.
I’m not saying that I am an authority. I just have no respect for their reporting. Take it or leave it.
 
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