Pope suggests Trump: not Christian

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Path_Finder said:
Also, some sicknesses have been brought up, strains of the flu that possibly were even deadly for some Americans, a little African American boy from Missouri, brought up from Central America by illegal aliens, another reason to be wary of a lack of security at the borders. We care for others but with due care. A leader is responsible for his own flock. If one individually wants to work with lepers for example, sure, go ahead; but maybe this should not be pinned on everyone in society.
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Yeah, that’s what Jesus would have done.

Disciple: Lord, there are many lepers who wish to come among us and be healed.
Jesus: I’m responsible for my own flock. If one individually wants to work with lepers for example, sure, go ahead; but this should not be pinned on everyone in society.

Yeah, I’m sure Jesus would have just let that Central American person die rather than risk someone else getting infected.
 
_Abyssinia said:
Are you making a broad brush statement that conservatives welcome nationalism and xenophobia?
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No, that’s why I put it in quotations, because I don’t believe these to be conservative traits (at least not in the broad sense…there may be a higher correlation currently, but there was a time when “Progressives” were among the most xenophobic).
 
Kevin12 said:
Yeah, who would want to be associated with being a “do-gooder”?

I’d like to ask all the Trump fans on this thread, did you have any ancestors who weren’t in this country when it became a nation. If you’re Catholic, you almost certainly do. How fortunate for your ancestors that they weren’t brown. And how fortunate Protestants of the time didn’t simply turn your ancestors away for being anti-American and attempting to install the Pope as leader of the country.

The level of hypocrisy here, it boggles my mind. That the descents of people who were treated as subhumans by the Know-Nothings should become Know-Nothings themselves.
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I’m a brown legal immigrant from a very poor Asian family. My brother who is a Protestant has been beat up by authorities in China a few times because of him spreading the gospel. If I’d like to sponsor his immigration here, it takes 12 years just waiting in line. Can you blame me for disliking illegal immigration?
 
Kevin12 said:
Yeah, that’s what Jesus would have done.

Disciple: Lord, there are many lepers who wish to come among us and be healed.
Jesus: I’m responsible for my own flock. If one individually wants to work with lepers for example, sure, go ahead; but this should not be pinned on everyone in society.

Yeah, I’m sure Jesus would have just let that Central American person die rather than risk someone else getting infected.
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This is pure emotion nothing else. This is like saying unless the person comes to America, the lord cannot take care of him/her.
 
Pope Francis is right for speaking out…his views reflect the gospel of Jesus Christ who also upset some of the political and religious leaders of the day…the reason it becomes controversial here in the US is because many people like to put a political slant on some of the things he says because it doesn’t fit with their political views…one of the end times theories on the Anti Christ is that it will be a political system…if that were true then there are a lot of people being sucked into it…God Bless Pope Francis
 
This thread will probably set a benchmark of 1000 posts and be closed quicker than any other thread here ever at CAF. When one looks at what the Holy Father said, as opposed to headlines that capture attention, there can be nothing found that is not in harmony with Catholic teaching. Yet half the people here who claim to be Catholic have chosen to “disagree” with him and support this American entrepreneur who is running for office, despite thinking he was “unclear”. Reading over the last few pages, the discussion has little to do with morality and social justice and mostly to do with politics. Jesus taught that where your treasure is, there your heart is also. Perhaps instead of pointing fingers we could examine where are heart is.

I understand Protestants having this type of reaction, where one’s primary teacher is one’s self. But on a Catholic board, I am amazed at how many are so quick to form an opinion contrary to what the Holy Father said, or what they think he said. Have we taken upon ourselves the protestant idea that we are our own shepherd now? Or we seeing a result of political idolatry?
 
queenofheartscv said:
I’m a brown legal immigrant from a very poor Asian family. My brother who is a Protestant has been beat up by authorities in China a few times because of him spreading the gospel. If I’d like to sponsor his immigration here, it takes 12 years just waiting in line. Can you blame me for disliking illegal immigration?
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I had to wait 10 years just to be able to apply for Spanish citizenship. I failed the gruelling nationality quiz twice before I was even able to advance to the next level – which involved a) getting a birth certificate printed out in the US (my country of birth) and having it stamped by a notary public, b) getting a criminal records check (because of course, toddlers that move out of the US must have one, right? :rolleyes:). And then I got rejected again because my birth certificate took too long to get here from the US. So I got back in line, had to take the insane test a third time, only to find that now it was my criminal records check which had expired. :mad:

A fourth time I got in line, and this process, which took a total of four flipping years was a rollercoaster ride of emotions, but now I am a full-fledged citizen of this country

My experience from all this is that if anything, hardships faced by immigrants and foreigners make people more receptive, more compassionate to those who are outsiders.
 
pnewton said:
This thread will probably set a benchmark of 1000 posts and be closed quicker than any other thread here ever at CAF. When one looks at what the Holy Father said, as opposed to headlines that capture attention, there can be nothing found that is not in harmony with Catholic teaching. Yet half the people here who claim to be Catholic have chosen to “disagree” with him and support this American entrepreneur who is running for office, despite thinking he was “unclear”. Reading over the last few pages, the discussion has little to do with morality and social justice and mostly to do with politics. Jesus taught that where your treasure is, there your heart is also. Perhaps instead of pointing fingers we could examine where are heart is.

I understand Protestants having this type of reaction, where one’s primary teacher is one’s self. But on a Catholic board, I am amazed at how many are so quick to form an opinion contrary to what the Holy Father said, or what they think he said. Have we taken upon ourselves the protestant idea that we are our own shepherd now? Or we seeing a result of political idolatry?
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pnewton said:
This thread will probably set a benchmark of 1000 posts and be closed quicker than any other thread here ever at CAF. When one looks at what the Holy Father said, as opposed to headlines that capture attention, there can be nothing found that is not in harmony with Catholic teaching. Yet half the people here who claim to be Catholic have chosen to “disagree” with him and support this American entrepreneur who is running for office, despite thinking he was “unclear”. Reading over the last few pages, the discussion has little to do with morality and social justice and mostly to do with politics. Jesus taught that where your treasure is, there your heart is also. Perhaps instead of pointing fingers we could examine where are heart is.

I understand Protestants having this type of reaction, where one’s primary teacher is one’s self. But on a Catholic board, I am amazed at how many are so quick to form an opinion contrary to what the Holy Father said, or what they think he said. Have we taken upon ourselves the protestant idea that we are our own shepherd now? Or we seeing a result of political idolatry?
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It’s true what the Pope has said is in harmony with Catholic teaching, but Trump’s idea of a wall is also not against Catholic teaching.
 
Micosil said:
I had to wait 10 years just to be able to apply for Spanish citizenship. I failed the gruelling nationality quiz twice before I was even able to advance to the next level – which involved a) getting a birth certificate printed out in the US (my country of birth) and having it stamped by a notary public, b) getting a criminal records check (because of course, toddlers that move out of the US must have one, right? :rolleyes:). And then I got rejected again because my birth certificate took too long to get here from the US. So I got back in line, had to take the insane test a third time, only to find that now it was my criminal records check which had expired. :mad:

A fourth time I got in line, and this process, which took a total of four flipping years was a rollercoaster ride of emotions, but now I am a full-fledged citizen of this country

My experience from all this is that if anything, hardships faced by immigrants and foreigners make people more receptive, more compassionate to those who are outsiders.
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Agreed! I’ve loved everything about this new country of mine. I’ve never experienced any discrimination or prejudice after coming here but a lot of generosity and kindness. On top that we have freedom of expression. There is no other country quite like it here. Very grateful. On the other hand, I still think it’s wrong to try to come here illegally.
 
queenofheartscv said:
It’s true what the Pope has said is in harmony with Catholic teaching, but Trump’s idea of a wall is also not against Catholic teaching.
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Yet somehow people think Pope Francis is against wall-building when he’s never suggested such a thing.
 
Stylteralmaldo said:
Yet somehow people think Pope Francis is against wall-building when he’s never suggested such a thing.
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If you go back and read all the posts here, a lot of people on this thread believe the Pope is against the wall-building, which is why we are having this discussion. You don’t think so, and that’s also part of the confusion. What exactly does the Pope mean?
 
queenofheartscv said:
If you go back and read all the posts here, a lot of people on this thread believe the Pope is against the wall-building, which is why we are having this discussion. You don’t think so, and that’s also part of the confusion. What exactly does the Pope mean?
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Trust me the wall is not help. Use that money for something better.

Like hiring more border patrol officers and getting better technology.
 
chero23 said:
Trust me the wall is not help. Use that money for something better.

Like hiring more border patrol officers and getting better technology.
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The wall, above all else, speaks of the determination to tackle the problem. If the wall is properly built, it should work. Again all these can be discussed, but the wall is not inherently evil.
 
Good fences make good neighbors. Walls are not prohibited in the Christian faith.
And neither is over-the-top rhetoric, and luckily so for all parties involved in this dispute.
 
queenofheartscv said:
The wall, above all else, speaks of the determination to tackle the problem. If the wall is properly built, it should work. Again all these can be discussed, but the wall is not inherently evil.
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So you think a 7-8 foot wall will help?

Do you know why nothing gets done in Washington in regards to immigration?

Democrats use it to get the Hispanic vote.

Republicans use it so big corporations that use illegals can continue to give money to them.

We should fix Washington first.
 
Good_Tidings said:
Literally, the wall.
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Apparently then, you are confused, because he condemned walls without building corresponding bridges. Every immigration plan floated provides political or legal bridges as well. What he condemned is a “keep everyone shut out” approach which no one favors.

We only have to look to the Catechism to see what the rights of a sovereign nation are. They must always be tempered with compassion and mercy, of course. The Vatican rarely weighs in on the specifics of a piece of American legislation, and in this case, the Holy Father even said he was not familiar with the plan in question.
 
chero23 said:
So you think a 7-8 foot wall will help?

Do you know why nothing gets done in Washington in regards to immigration?

Democrats use it to get the Hispanic vote.

Republicans use it so big corporations that use illegals can continue to give money to them.

We should fix Washington first.
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Who said the wall can only be 7-8 foot?
 
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