I find it ironic how those Catholics who rave about pope Francis and how he helps out the poor, is out there walking the walk, talking the talk, leading by example.Some will resent the Pope getting involved in US politics.
I posted this on another thread, but I find it ironic how people rave about how great pope Francis is. How he walks the walk.I think the problem is how Trump lashed out at the Pope and it seems clear he did not have all the information.
Also, the Pope is the Vicar of Christ, and deserves the respect of his office, which seemed lacking in some posts.
Finally, what the Pope said was 100% in line with the faith and the Gospel and the Pope is the world’s number authority regarding faith and morals. It seems in recent years some Catholics forget who the Pope is…successor of Peter, Pastor of the entire Church on earth, and the only man on earth who holds the keys to the kingdom.
But those are not walls. Especially compared to what trump wants to build.And those are good points…but it doesn’t help when Catholics make sarcastic remarks about Pope Francis having walls around the Vatican…which has nothing to do with a border wall between the US and Mexico
I recommend you read this.Do the millions just come in over the walls or through gates?
Do they ever lock up the Vatican grounds? Yes, I believe they do.
St. Pope Leo IV built those walls, He was the Vicar of Christ on Earth.
I totally agree with you. But to me is ironic how we have individuals on this thread who on other days rave about the pope, but when he speaks out against the guy who wants to build a wall, oh my God, people feelings get hurt.After more than 1000 responses to this thread, where a number of arguments have been presented back and forth maybe a few points may summarize it:
-The Pope was not speaking ex cathedra, so he is not speaking infallible in this instance.
-Whatever the Pope says should be given thought and respected.
-What he said may have merit and good teaching but we can disagree with him on this issue.
-The Pope’s comments may be slightly out of context of his intent.
-Politics and religion can sometimes be a difficult mix. It is difficult at times to ascertain when a religious comment on a political issue is warranted or necessary.
-Regardless of one’s view on the “wall” it should not alter our Catholic faith.
-We should all hope pray that the comments on this thread don’t further divide us and we should remember our commitment to the Catholic Church and it’s teaching no matter what side of this issue we take.
Perhaps one should read this thread closely.Of course in this scenario, the Holy Father answered a question. He never said, “I declare Donald Trump anathema” He said “if he said these words”. "I will give him the benefit of the doubt.
Donald Trump’s over reacted, and not very charitably.
How does that affect you though?You can walk around the Piazza and through the Colonnades but a large part of the Vatican is closed; one can only see the gardens on a tour.
I wonder what he couldn’t give his opinion. As Americans we give our opinion about everything else.Bob Dole was interviewed on Fox News this afternoon and said the Pope should not have commented on American politics but “on the other hand, the Pope is right.”
It is also a ridiculous claim because there is no other entity on earth that does more for the poor. The Church reaches across the world to help those in need.Some Catholics just can’t resist showing disrespect to the Vicar of Christ because they like to put their own biased political spin on much of what he says…news flash… for those who can’t seem to get over the fact there is a wall around much…but not all of Vatican city…it was built around the year 840 to keep out invading armies …not to keep out the illegal poor looking for a better life for their families…so get over criticizing Pope Francis as if he is being hypocritical because of the Vatican wall.
Plenty of people address that.It is also a ridiculous claim because there is no other entity on earth that does more for the poor. The Church reaches across the world to help those in need.
The truth is, if the Feds enforced the laws already on the books, there would be no need for a wall–and yet few people want to address that.
Thank you. I’m starting to see that people here are very anti Catholic when it comes to immigration. We’re Catholic for everything else, but on immigration, boy watch out, bc at that moment we take off our Catholic hat and put our American hat on and forget about the church.My advice to everyone here is to make sure you have the full story before you start blasting away at the Pope. And, no matter who the candidate, politician, or person that might be involved, if the subject covers a moral topic, it is wise to consider the Pope’s words very deeply. Despite the seeming frequent lack of respect for the Pope, he is the Vicar of Christ. There really is no other voice on earth that has a stronger authority regarding topics of faith and morals.
If Saint Peter had spoken the Pope’s words, they would not have held any more authority.
But you’re right. People need to support the pope rather than a man like trump. The pope’s record is more consistent than trump’s. It’s ironicIt seems that the hatred for the Pope and the Catholic Church continues as expected. What is painful is when we see signs of that coming from within. So many false claims and brash statements coming from Catholics (not just here, but all around the nation).
It amazes so few stop to think about the fact they are casting insults and doubt upon the Vicar of Christ, while they defend a non-Catholic business man.
Of course, when only 30% of Catholics believe in the Real Presence, I suppose I should not be at all surprised. In truth, a great many Catholics are cultural Catholics, in that they were born and raised into the faith, and they do not actually understand its teachings. To many, the Pope is just another religious leader–and yet he is the only person on earth, of all religions and of all nations, who holds the keys to the kingdom.
These are general statements and not directed at any one person.
I don’t believe it applies only to immigration–I think there are many topics that betray an anti-Catholic position among many (no, I understand the rules, so I will not direct my comments to any one person).Thank you. I’m starting to see that people here are very anti Catholic when it comes to immigration. We’re Catholic for everything else, but on immigration, boy watch out, bc at that moment we take off our Catholic hat and put our American hat on and forget about the church.
Yes, but more importantly the Pope has the moral authority to talk about these matters.But you’re right. People need to support the pope rather than a man like trump. The pope’s record is more consistent than trump’s. It’s ironic
Is this sarcasm? Or excuse-making. It is not Catholic Teaching.It seems that the hatred for the Pope and the Catholic Church continues as expected. What is painful is when we see signs of that coming from within. So many false claims and brash statements coming from Catholics (not just here, but all around the nation).
It amazes so few stop to think about the fact they are casting insults and doubt upon the Vicar of Christ, while they defend a non-Catholic business man.
Of course, when only 30% of Catholics believe in the Real Presence, I suppose I should not be at all surprised. In truth, a great many Catholics are cultural Catholics, in that they were born and raised into the faith, and they do not actually understand its teachings. To many, the Pope is just another religious leader–and yet he is the only person on earth, of all religions and of all nations, who holds the keys to the kingdom.
These are general statements and not directed at any one person.
I had forgotten about this. But people on these threads state, "I can never vote for a democrat bc of their position with abortion, gay marriage, that goes against our teachings ".I don’t believe it applies only to immigration–I think there are many topics that betray an anti-Catholic position among many (no, I understand the rules, so I will not direct my comments to any one person).
I believe that until we Catholics become strong in the faith, the nation will continue to suffer. We are the one’s given so much, and much is expected from us, and until the national Catholic body turns back to the Lord, we will only see fleeting improvements, and a continued general decay.
As the Catholic Church and faith goes, so goes the western world.