Pope suggests Trump: not Christian

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On a side note, has anyone noticed that whenever Trump wants to criticize someone he calls them a ‘disgrace’? Someone buy that man a thesaurus!
 
jtauke said:
This is a pretty terrible argument.

They’re restrictive about population because the Vatican City is only about .17 square miles in area.

Apples and oranges :rolleyes:
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I think it is a very good argument.

At the same time, one can say there are those in the US who need jobs and who are affected negatively with the drug trade besides other threats to national security.
 
gracepoole said:
My concern is that Trump is going to inevitably drive anti-Catholic sentiment in the US as a result of this and other episodes. I just listened to Limbaugh (:rolleyes:) and he summarized the pope’s comments about Trump. He then took a caller who was obviously Catholic, said he supported and loved the pope, and explained that the pontiff was reaffirming Catholic teaching on the dignity of all humans when rejecting the notion of walls built between countries. (Whether one agrees with walls or not, Catholics must accept the Church’s teachings regarding human dignity – teachings which are typically not understood by non-Catholics, in my opinion.) The caller also noted that the MSM often doesn’t characterize the pope’s comments properly and that Catholic media does a much better job of contextualizing them in terms of Catholic teaching. Limbaugh then took a break and when he returned, he did so alone and took the opportunity to describe the caller as “typical” of those who want to blame the US for not being generous enough to welcome refugees. He then went on to claim that the pope wants the US to become socialist and reject capitalism wholesale. Aside from the factual errors involved in his ensuing comments, what struck me was the anti-papal and perhaps anti-Catholic spin to this rhetoric. It was troubling.
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I’m not fearful of that at all; my fear at times, is how some of this can also be looked at per other perspectives. We saw that cross with the hammer and sickle, we know there is an explanation for it. Are we at the same time, reading some fear into atheistic Communism into it? :rolleyes:
 
who is such a person who “only thinks about building walls and never bridges?” Trump wants to have a door for legal immigrants to come in along with the wall so there is your bridge. This question put to the Pope is certainly a trap.
 
Wall building is a unchristian act, many christians do unchristian things, he never accused anyone of not being a christian, only doing an unchristian act. This will be a good test of Trumps abilities to interact withworld leaders, it may very well make or break his political ambitions.
 
Path_Finder said:
I think it is a very good argument.

At the same time, one can say there are those in the US who need jobs and who are affected negatively with the drug trade besides other threats to national security.
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Absolutely! The current immigration reality in the United States adversely affects the most economically vulnerable members of American society by driving down wages and making it harder for them to find decent paying work. Not to mention the Mexican drug cartels who funnel huge amounts of drugs into the country. Life expectancy of certain American groups is actually declining in part due to the drug epidemic in this country.

I’m all for America bringing in a lot more people who want to legally to the United States for a better life, but it’s simply not a reasonable policy at this time, especially at a time when economic growth is so slow (barely recovering from the Great Recession) and Americans have not seen a raise in decades. We need to take care of the vulnerable among us here first, and then the world.
 
Crusaderbear said:
Wall building is a unchristian act, many christians do unchristian things, he never accused anyone of not being a christian, only doing an unchristian act. This will be a good test of Trumps abilities to interact withworld leaders, it may very well make or break his political ambitions.
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Prisons? That’s different I guess. I’m not so sure.
 
One man, through the words of the Consecration, Communion bread becomes the Body of Christ.
The other man, throws money into the Communion plate.
Not a hard choice IMO.
 
Son_of_Niall said:
One man, through the words of the Consecration, Communion bread becomes the Body of Christ.
The other man, throws money into the Communion plate.
Not a hard choice IMO.
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What does this even mean? Do you want to go back to theocracy where the Pope decides all temperal matters?
 
Path_Finder said:
I’m not fearful of that at all; my fear at times, is how some of this can also be looked at per other perspectives. We saw that cross with the hammer and sickle, we know there is an explanation for it. Are we at the same time, reading some fear into atheistic Communism into it?
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How many even saw that crucifix? Were national political pundits discussing it and characterizing the Church negatively as a result? That seems a far cry from a presidential candidate driving such discussions.
 
gracepoole said:
How many even saw that crucifix? Were national political pundits discussing it and characterizing the Church negatively as a result? That seems a far cry from a presidential candidate driving such discussions.
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Yes, it was discussed quite a bit in these forums.

Rush Limbaugh’s brother David, is a Catholic in case some did not know this.
 
If Trump becomes president-other countries will chip in and build a wall around the US
to keep us “in”…
😉
 
Path_Finder said:
Yes, it was discussed quite a bit in these forums.
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I assume it’s obvious that CAF’s reach is extremely limited (less than 500,000 members), and it caters largely to Catholics. Limbaugh has, minimally, 13.25 million listeners per week and at least a good portion of those aren’t Catholic.
 
FollowChrist34 said:
foxnews.com/politics/2016/02/18/pope-questions-trumps-christian-faith-gop-candidate-blasts-disgraceful-comment.html?intcmp=hpbt1

I assume we are all up to speed on this, right - per Trump, the Pope’s comment is ‘disgraceful.’ (He is Presbyterian after all…:o)
😃
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I’m not saying I support Trump for President, but according to Pew, 54% of Catholics in Jan said Trump would make a good/great President. So lots of American Catholics support Trump and his campaign policies like the Wall.
 
queenofheartscv said:
What does this even mean? Do you want to go back to theocracy where the Pope decides all temperal matters?
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Well, as a Catholic, it shows the stark difference between the two men. Pope Francis is leading us in the way of Christ. Trump in the way of Caesar. In the early Church Christians had to make that choice, Christ or Caesar. God or mammon. That which is eternal and that which passes away.
 
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