Pope suggests Trump: not Christian

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The pope is really throwing his hat into the ring, and entering the fray of American politics.
His previous work as a bouncer is appropriate for this kind of rough and tumble.

It is not the kind of thing that we are used to seeing popes do, for sure.
 
Nordar said:
Agree, 👍 What is happening in Europe is horrendous. I don’t understand why Trump wanting to build a wall to Protect that from happening here makes him not a Christian .
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If anything, Europe’s immigration policy is actually making places like Paris and London more Muslim more than anything.
 
Round_Hill said:
I’m not saying I support Trump for President, but according to Pew, 54% of Catholics in Jan said Trump would make a good/great President. So lots of American Catholics support Trump and his campaign policies like the Wall.
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How ironic - I think they supported Obama by about the same margin.

I am glad to see the back of those attacks - you are unCatholic if you vote liberal or support Planned Parenthood…
:D;)
 
irishpatrick said:
The Pope (read his comments) did not even mention Trump by name. He said if one thinks ONLY of building walls, and not of building bridges, they are not Christian. The Pope is correct. If a person does that, they are not in any way following the Gospel.

The sad thing is the Pope just gave Trump another tool in his campaign and Trump will NOT bother reading the text.
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Nor did I mention Trump. I said “the man.”

I simply don’t see how ones stops being a Christian by doing anything like this. They may not be acting like a Christian, but like we have said before on here, there is a difference. Joe Biden and Nancy Pelosi’s support for abortion and gay marriage is unCatholic. It does not stop making them Catholic, simply because it does not undo their baptism.

Trump isn’t my first choice (frankly, he is my last on the R ticket) but if I have to vote for a man (who apparently has been unbaptized by his actions) who supports a wall to protect sovereignty over a woman who supports mothers killing their children to protect some sort of made-up garbage right, I’ll begrudgingly do so.

The Pope, if taken at his word, essentially said there isn’t a single Christian running for election, since there is at least one-unchristian belief they espouse in every case. I guess to his credit, Bernie is already Jewish, so he isn’t being upbaptized by his beliefs.
 
Maximilan_Kolbe said:
Nor did I mention Trump. I said “the man.”

I simply don’t see how ones stops being a Christian by doing anything like this. They may not be acting like a Christian, but like we have said before on here, there is a difference. Joe Biden and Nancy Pelosi’s support for abortion and gay marriage is unCatholic. It does not stop making them Catholic, simply because it does not undo their baptism.

Trump isn’t my first choice (frankly, he is my last on the R ticket) but if I have to vote for a man (who apparently has been unbaptized by his actions) who supports a wall to protect sovereignty over a woman who supports mothers killing their children to protect some sort of made-up garbage right, I’ll begrudgingly do so.

The Pope, if taken at his word, essentially said there isn’t a single Christian running for election, since there is at least one-unchristian belief they espouse in every case. I guess to his credit, Bernie is already Jewish, so he isn’t being upbaptized by his beliefs.
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Using this logic, does that make Obama or Biden, or Pelosi “not Christian” anymore because they support pro abortion policies? 🤷
 
Adonia said:
The Holy Father should really not be making any comments about walls. Even though I have never been there, I am told there a really big wall surrounding Vatican City and they are really picky about who gets to live there.
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I guess if he were talking about putting up a wall right now, you may have a point. To point out a medieval wall in this context is rather absurd.
 
queenofheartscv said:
It’s one thing for trump to say maybe cruz is a hypocrite, quite another for the Pope to say flat out trump is not a Christian. IMHO.
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Trump is not (for the moment anyway) a religious leader.
Our Pope is the Vicar of Christ.
I think it’s a no-brainer as to who we should listen to.
 
irishpatrick said:
The Pope (read his comments) did not even mention Trump by name. He said if one thinks ONLY of building walls, and not of building bridges, they are not Christian. The Pope is correct. If a person does that, they are not in any way following the Gospel.

The sad thing is the Pope just gave Trump another tool in his campaign and Trump will NOT bother reading the text.
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It seems to me to be disingenuous to pretend that the Pope was not referring specifically to Trump.
 
Here’s a news story that took off in a hurry!
meltzerboy said:
If the report and translation are accurate (big IF), this is one of the rare occasions I must side with Trump rather than Pope Francis. I don’t think it’s a good idea to question another person’s faith is part of Trump’s response to what the Pope said. But we are all human and we make mistakes, the Pope probably much less so than the rest of us.
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I haven’t read all the posts yet, but I just want to point out that I doubt Pope Francis’ intent was to single out Trump as a non-Christian. If you look at some of the homilies, addresses, speeches, etc. that Pope Francis gives, he very frequently calls out specific behavior as being “not Christian.” I did a site search of news.va for “pope francis” and “not Christian” and came upon a number of statements from the pope:
  • Fearful and joyless communities are not Christian
  • We do not advertise Jesus Christ, to have more 'members’ in our ‘spiritual society’, no? This is not necessary. There’s no need; it’s not Christian.
  • Our Christian identity is belonging to a people: the Church . Without this, we are not Christians.
  • Saint Paul exhorts us not to judge and not to despise our brothers, because this leads to excluding them from “our little group,” to being selective, and this is not Christian.
  • A Christian without joy is not Christian
  • A disciple of Jesus who does not serve others is not Christian
  • Without the Cross, the Christian style is not Christian
And that’s just the first page of hits.

I don’t think Francis’ point is to excommunicate people but rather to get people to reflect on how better to act like Christians.
 
gracepoole said:
My concern is that Trump is going to inevitably drive anti-Catholic sentiment in the US as a result of this and other episodes. I just listened to Limbaugh (:rolleyes:) and he summarized the pope’s comments about Trump. He then took a caller who was obviously Catholic, said he supported and loved the pope, and explained that the pontiff was reaffirming Catholic teaching on the dignity of all humans when rejecting the notion of walls built between countries. (Whether one agrees with walls or not, Catholics must accept the Church’s teachings regarding human dignity – teachings which are typically not understood by non-Catholics, in my opinion.) The caller also noted that the MSM often doesn’t characterize the pope’s comments properly and that Catholic media does a much better job of contextualizing them in terms of Catholic teaching. Limbaugh then took a break and when he returned, he did so alone and took the opportunity to describe the caller as “typical” of those who want to blame the US for not being generous enough to welcome refugees. He then went on to claim that the pope wants the US to become socialist and reject capitalism wholesale. Aside from the factual errors involved in his ensuing comments, what struck me was the anti-papal and perhaps anti-Catholic spin to this rhetoric. It was troubling.
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Why should anybody care what Rush Limbaugh thinks?
 
Son_of_Niall said:
Trump is not (for the moment anyway) a religious leader.
Our Pope is the Vicar of Christ.
I think it’s a no-brainer as to who we should listen to.
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Especially since he is the Pope, he shouldn’t be making such weighty judgment about whether a person is a Christian, simply based on what a person says or thinks.
 
Does no one understand metaphors? Building bridges, not walls? One cannot go into Vatican City without seeing more nationalities than any other place on Earth of similar size. It is the most “wall-less” place on Earth. “Christian” has more than one meaning. In the sense of being “like Christ”, in this context, one who does not welcome the stranger is not like the one who said, “I was a stranger and you invited me in.”

I guess Trump missed that one. (Matthew 25, btw)
 
queenofheartscv said:
Especially since he is the Pope, he shouldn’t be making such weighty judgment about whether a person is a Christian, simply based on what a person says or thinks.
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He said “if”, judging the attitude or statement. He is Pope. Moral teaching is his duty.
 
Son_of_Niall said:
Why should anybody care what Rush Limbaugh thinks?
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I believe it is Christian to respect everyone’s opinion. I’m here because I care what other people think.

I care, Rush respects life and life from conception. I find that admirable and I think the Pope should commend people with such views.
 
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