Pope suggests Trump: not Christian

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zz912 said:
These comments today by the Pope have set up yet another roadblock for Protestants who are open to investigating the Catholic Church and maybe even converting. It would be one thing if the Pope had ever directly criticized any Democratic politicians, ever. But his silence on this, and what Protestants view as silence on the topic of abortion (rightly or wrongly), has driven them even further away from the Church.

Especially when he lives behind guarded walls while riding in the Popemobile. Especially since he made zero comments about Mexico’s immigration policies (which are much more stringent than the US).
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This is absolutely spot on and we can consider whether any espousing these morals contrary to the Catholic faith will ever be identified. I think this is very fair to bring up.
 
Son_of_Niall said:
Wow.
No, our Pope is in complete control and I and many others support him 100%.
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I think you can support the Pope, while disagreeing with his political stances, which have been influenced by his Argentinean background and that country’s socialist roots. I think if you travel, you will see that American Catholics are much different than Latin American Catholics. I forgot who said this, but he notes that over time Catholics in the USA became less Roman Catholic and more “American Catholic” while integrating into the mainstream American culture if this makes sense.
 
thomasf said:
I think the Pope is out of control, and needs to scale back what he comments on. How many times has this Pope or the former Pope talked about the Christianity of Obama, Pelosi, Kerry, etc for being catholic and supporting abortion? Something as important as an intrinsic evil, they are mute. Something involving national security, or fake science of global warming, and he has to comment? Whatever happened to sticking to faith and morals? I wish he was more concerned with those things and less concerned with popping off about politics that do not concern him.
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That should tell you something. I’m sure if they thought it was an intrinsic evil to vote for a democrat they would have said so. There are priest who have no such compunction. It also seems that the bishops who espoused these claims are not currying favor with this pope. Instead, he talks about their need to reevaluate.
 
irishpatrick said:
Read the Gospel and walk carefully here. Caring for the poor and needy is not a suggestion, it is an absolute mandate coming from our Lord. If a candidate wants to build walls and turns away from the poor, they are not acting as Christians.
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Are the poor only in Latin America? Maybe we should send jets to Africa and Asia to get them, that would be even more Christian.

Let’s use a scale on the poorest nations in the world then.
 
Path_Finder said:
One does realize Rush Limbaugh says a lot of things in jest and with humor. So this is what is so objectionable and I am talking about the emboldened part.
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I listened to the program live. He wasn’t speaking in jest. He put an exclamation point on his issue with what the Pope supposedly said by carrying a broadcast of Trump’s response to the Pope’s words. Trump was buying into what the media said about the Pope just like Limbaugh. It was Limbaugh’s way of collaborating what he said about the Pope was true. Terribly disappointed in Rush the way he twisted the whole thing.

If it was in jest, it was in very bad taste and he certainly didn’t make it clear he was jesting. As I said in an earlier post, I’ve been listening to Rush’s show for over 20 years now, and I generally know when he’s jesting. I hear Rush say all the time ‘if people actually listen to my show they would know I didn’t say such and such about this or such and such about that’. I generally agree with him that he doesn’t say half the things the media says he says or means. Yet, it’s clear he doesn’t like the Pope, and that’s fine because everyone has an opinion. However, he clearly jumped the gun on that CNN report. He should know better.

But then again, he’s a pro-Trump guy and Trump’s golden to Rush (yes I know he prefers Cruz).
 
Cider said:
I think we should all show up at Vatican State seeking asylum and see what happens.
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A person seeking asylum, under the 1951 UN Convention Relating to the Status of Refugees, must show that s/he has a valid reason. E.g. fear of persecution. T’would be difficult for a US citizen to make that case.

Then again, if Trump were to become president…
 
irishpatrick said:
Read the Gospel and walk carefully here. Caring for the poor and needy is not a suggestion, it is an absolute mandate coming from our Lord. If a candidate wants to build walls and turns away from the poor, they are not acting as Christians.
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👍👍👍
 
Son_of_Niall said:
Limbaugh is irrelevant. Nobody listens to talk radio anymore. He’s the product of a bygone era that needs stay gone.
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We were warned of his influence earlier and his 13 million listeners. People who dislike Limbaugh should at least get their story straight.

And let’s be clear what the Pope actually said. He said “a man”, the man in question" was not a Christian.

For many, that’s the main issue. As Thomas said, does than make Obama not a Christian? Because apparently, baptism isn’t enough to be one any more. Which again, would make every person on this topic not a Christian, based on a belief or action at some point in their life.

The Pope was, IMO, baited, and should be shrewd enough to avoid this sort of thing.

The interviewer might as well have said “hypothetically, let’s say there’s a woman running for President; we’ll call her, Schmillary Schminton. If she were to espouse a belief that it is okay to kill children in the womb, would that make her not a Christian?”

Pope - “That woman would not be Christian.”

Not to mention, focusing on a wall and not including the rest of the plan for addressing immigration issues is silly, and shows an unwillingness to seriously debate Trump’s plan on the part of posters.

But since none of us are Christian, I guess it’s no surprise?
 
Path_Finder said:
Are the poor only in Latin America? Maybe we should send jets to Africa and Asia to get them, that would be even more Christian.

Let’s use a scale on the poorest nations in the world then.
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Sarcasm in this situation is not helpful.
 
_Abyssinia said:
Nate Silver says:

twitter.com/natesilver538/status/700432891734552576

Donald Trump should be careful what he says about the Pope, because too much negativity towards him, it could hurt him down the line.
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I think there is a huge divide between Mass attending Catholics and CINO. The latter will love the Pope’s comments - the former, some not happy with the current Pope, might be given a push by these comments to vote for Trump. To express their disappointment in an indirect way?
 
Adonia said:
Oh I see, once more this Pope is misunderstood? That seems to be happening quite a bit with him. I do not care for Mr. Trump, but he did also say that he was all for people coming here - legally that is. We can do both - build a wall where we can finally have some control over our borders and revamp the immigration system to allow for a controlled entry of people.
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irishpatrick said:
Read the Gospel and walk carefully here. Caring for the poor and needy is not a suggestion, it is an absolute mandate coming from our Lord. If a candidate wants to build walls and turns away from the poor, they are not acting as Christians.
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Amen brother!
 
queenofheartscv said:
I will ask this again. What person is only thinking about building walls and not bridges? Trump wants people to come in legally. Does that not count as a bridge?
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Person that interviewed the Pope: “He wants to deport 11 million illegal immigrants, separating families, etcetera.”

If someone wants to build a wall and not care about separating families as a result of that action, that person is not a Christian.

The Pope also said he’d give the benefit of the doubt, so he didn’t accuse Trump of being a non-Christian. He said if he wanted to build that wall without consideration on the impact on families, that would not be Christian. Maybe Trump doesn’t care about those families? That is possible. However, the Pope didn’t way Trump believes this.
 
Danny33 said:
I think there is a huge divide between Mass attending Catholics and CINO. The latter will love the Pope’s comments - the former, some not happy with the current Pope, might be given a push by these comments to vote for Trump. To express their disappointment in an indirect way?
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Perhaps…yet, maybe that is form of separating the wheat from the chaff.

As wealthy as the USA is, we must find a way to help while maintaining our soveirgnty.
I know of ways to do that, but there is no political will.
 
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jimthejanitor:
If people took the time to consider what the Pope actually says, there would be no misunderstandings.
 
Adonia said:
I miss Pope Benedict.
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I admire all of the Popes of my lifetime. Each has something to teach us.

I am glad that my opinions of this or that Pope aren’t dependent on my politics.

I think they are all great- well except a few in the Rennesaince I suppose. 😃
 
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