Pope suggests Trump: not Christian

[pnewton]

I think there is a huge divide between Mass attending Catholics and CINO. The latter will love the Pope’s comments - the former, some not happy with the current Pope, might be given a push by these comments to vote for Trump. To express their disappointment in an indirect way?

You think the **more **people attend Mass the more they are more they do not like the Pope? Really? If this is not the very definition of more Catholic than the Pope, I do not know what it is. More to the point it is judging the Pope, and the whole of Catholicism, by one’s own politics. Cafeteria Catholicism to the right, as it were. The Church’s stance on immigration is nothing new. I have asked many times in vain for one bishop in the Unites States that has promoted the opinion that our treatment of immigrants is just. Not once have I received even a bad attempt at an answer.

FYI - Signature edited for the sake of Catholics that think the Holy Father has gone off script.

 

[Vic_Taltrees_UK]

I’ve had another idea.

Maybe (like Jesus did sometimes) the Pope is subtly wrong-footing those who wanted a political pronouncement. He is probably saying, “On the subject of walls!”

He is probably thinking of the little old lady who’s had a needless tiff with her neighbour. That’s important in God’s eyes as well.

Remember when he “slammed” Pelagians and Gnostics and most of you thought your treasured shibboleths were being got at, while I was contentedly saying, “Yes I’m quite a lot of both of those, must watch myself a bit!”

Mind you he isn’t always a good communicator as some are pointing out and he occasionally “falls for it”. I think he is far too subtle for most people! One newspaper some years ago described him as “laconic”!

His schedule is gruelling. The Congregation of Bishops and the CDF keep bundling him off to foreign parts so they can go their own way out of his sight. When the cat’s away the “French monsigneurs” come out to play!

 

[Luigi_Daniele]

This makes me sad.

Faith and Morals. Faith and Morals.

 

[Cider]

It’s really sad to see how blind and clueless Pope Francis is in the geopolitical arena. He actually contradicts God Himself.
It is God’s will that all the people should be separated according to their races and ethnicities. This has been the norm
ever since the tower of Babel incident.

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I’m editing out the racist remark that I missed on the first read. Oh boy I’m sorry I quoted it.

Interesting point. It reminds of

Joshua 21:43-44

So the LORD gave Israel all the land he had sworn to give their ancestors, and they took possession of it and settled there.

The LORD gave them rest on every side, just as he had sworn to their ancestors. Not one of their enemies withstood them; the LORD gave all their enemies into their hands.

Joshua 22:9 ►

So the Reubenites, the Gadites and the half-tribe of Manasseh left the Israelites at Shiloh in Canaan to return to Gilead, their own land, which they had acquired in accordance with the command of the LORD through Moses.

 

[Cider]

As a conservative myself, I agree with you. Catholic first. It irritates me when the right (-]conservatives/-] anti-establishment types like Limbaugh) do the same things the left does. It defeats the cause of conservatism in my opinion.

Even more so when they try and justify their hypocrisy. I can’t stand it either. I’m sick of the whole, it’s wrong when they do it but it’s ok when we do ****. But… but we’re doing it for the right reasons. Yes, the other side thinks they are too.

 

[gracepoole]

We were warned of his influence earlier and his 13 million listeners. People who dislike Limbaugh should at least get their story straight.

We’re actually different people with different thoughts who don’t share a hive mind.

 

[Path_Finder]

**Third Principle: A country must regulate its borders with justice and mercy.
**
The second principle of Catholic social teaching may seem to negate the first principle. However, principles one and two must be understood in the context of principle three. And all Catholic social teaching must be understood in light of the absolute equality of all people and the commitment to the common good.

A country’s regulation of borders and control of immigration must be governed by concern for all people and by mercy and justice. A nation may not simply decide that it wants to provide for its own people and no others. A sincere commitment to the needs of all must prevail.

usccb.org/issues-and-action/human-life-and-dignity/immigration/catholic-teaching-on-immigration-and-the-movement-of-peoples.cfm

So the US let’s in more immigrants than most or all of the world combined, there are no issues here.

Get back to me when we allow zero immigrants a year.

 

[ringil]

Regarding Fallwell’s comments about the Pope.

Fallwell<Pope Francis

 

[pnewton]

It’s really sad to see how blind and clueless Pope Francis is in the geopolitical arena. He actually contradicts God Himself.
It is God’s will that all the people should be separated according to their races and ethnicities. This has been the norm
ever since the tower of Babel incident.

Acts 17:26
From one man he made all the nations, that they should inhabit the whole earth; and he marked out their appointed times in history and the boundaries of their lands..

Your verse? When Paul said that he himself had moved across borders and into Greece.

No, God did not promote racism or segregation.

 

[Stylteralmaldo]

Yes he is. He is a wonderful communicator because he speaks to the people. Not corporations or the elite. Another start difference between the Vicar of Christ and Trump.

I disagree. I do like Pope Francis. However, his style leads to misinterpretation. Often times, when his words are taken out of context, I go to the source and find he was taken out of context. However, the way he expresses himself makes it easy for him to be taken out of context.

 

[Maximilan_Kolbe]

We’re actually different people with different thoughts who don’t share a hive mind.

And one of you is wrong. Which one?

 

[Good_Tidings]

It’s really sad to see how blind and clueless Pope Francis is in the geopolitical arena. He actually contradicts God Himself.
It is God’s will that all the people should be separated according to their races and ethnicities. This has been the norm
ever since the tower of Babel incident.

Acts 17:26
From one man he made all the nations, that they should inhabit the whole earth; and he marked out their appointed times in history and the boundaries of their lands.

BTW, just because Mexicans are mostly Catholic doesn’t give them a green light to come to the USA and Canada and start intermarrying with Caucasians. This is genocide through mongrolisation. Building a fence, and sending all these Mexicans back
To the lands God appointed for them is the least we can do, and I firmly support Trump in this.

Anybody who refuses to see that the main agenda of the Satanic New World Order is genocidal mongrolisation of the Caucasian people is
blind. This entire immigrant crisis has been engineered for this very purpose. Sadly, in this arena, our Pope is totally blind.

Did you register just to say this?

 

[Path_Finder]

I find nothing wrong with what Rush said nor do I see him as an Anti-Catholic talking head, this Catholic agrees with him or sees anything others find as offensive as just his opinion and possibly humorous.

Rush is not the one in numerous photos with Raoul Castro, Rush is not the one who is in a picture with a hammer and sickle crucifix.

 

[Son_of_Niall]

It’s really sad to see how blind and clueless Pope Francis is in the geopolitical arena. He actually contradicts God Himself.
It is God’s will that all the people should be separated according to their races and ethnicities. This has been the norm
ever since the tower of Babel incident.

Acts 17:26
From one man he made all the nations, that they should inhabit the whole earth; and he marked out their appointed times in history and the boundaries of their lands.

BTW, just because Mexicans are mostly Catholic doesn’t give them a green light to come to the USA and Canada and start intermarrying with Caucasians. This is genocide through mongrolisation. Building a fence, and sending all these Mexicans back
To the lands God appointed for them is the least we can do, and I firmly support Trump in this.

Anybody who refuses to see that the main agenda of the Satanic New World Order is genocidal mongrolisation of the Caucasian people is
blind. This entire immigrant crisis has been engineered for this very purpose. Sadly, in this arena, our Pope is totally blind.

Donald?
Is that you?

 

[FollowChrist34]

I am not a supporter of Mr. Trump - but I note this for the fuller context.

Well done - this puts Rubio in the clear, along with most of the GOP candidates. I see Rubio is in the fray a bit on this - he pointed out in response to the Pope’s comment that the US is the most compassionate nation on earth in terms of immigration. (as opposed to calling the Pope’s comments ‘disgraceful’) Each to his own, but I am glad I am a Rubio supporter, at least today.

I do think maybe the Pope spouted off here a bit carelessly - and, as for Trump and his penchant for spouting off a bit carelessly …as Cruz put it, let’s leave it to the two of them to sort it out.

 

[Micosil]

I disagree. I do like Pope Francis. However, his style leads to misinterpretation. Often times, when his words are taken out of context, I go to the source and find he was taken out of context. However, the way he expresses himself makes it easy for him to be taken out of context.

Understandable, but whose fault is that? The Holy Father’s? Or the people who take his words out of context?

 

[popist2000]

No, God did not promote racism or segregation.

Segregation is not Racism. People naturally segregate themselves according to their ethnicities. In nature you see the same. Lions hang out only with lions, wolves with wolves, etc…

Act 17:26 confirms that segregation is indeed God’s plan.

On the contrary, it is the Devil’s design to create chaos and hate through race-mixng.

 

[pnewton]

Donald?
Is that you?

It is his style of proof-texting. In a way, I am glad to see something like this posted as it demonstrates just how far away from Truth one can get when they reject God’s authoritative teaching.

There is a story (don’t know if it is true) of a preacher that preached against having high fancy hair for women base on the Scripture, “Topknot, come down”.(Let those on the house top not come down.)

 

[Zooey]

I disagree, and hope that America NEVER becomes a place where one’s faith is questioned, especially in politics. To me, faith is a private and personal thing, and no one can claim to know another person’s heart and soul. Yes, one can question another’s political motivations, ideological beliefs, and social values as demonstrated by their political actions; but NOT, either explicitly or implicitly, their private faith, unless perhaps if they make their faith a part of the political campaign and agenda.

People are entitled to know what, if any, religion a candidate believes in and practices. But that is different from questioning the candidate’s religious belief or practice once the candidate provides the information. The same applies to Obama, who said he is Christian, and to Romney, who said he is Mormon and Christian. One may doubt the veracity of the statement but I feel it is not right for anyone to openly question it. There is plenty to criticize Trump for in regard to his political ideology and proposed policies; there is no need to criticize his faith as well.

According to my understanding, in matters of faith, the Pope speaks with ultimate authority. But, although this issue is related to faith, it is not a matter of faith, or is it? I will not comment further since, especially as a Jew as well as a great admirer of Pope Francis, I feel uncomfortable being critical of his statement, particularly against a person whom I do not greatly admire in terms of his politics.

And, as the Friendly Neighborhood Methodist, I have to agree…

 

[Cider]

Did you register just to say this?

Thanks for quoting and asking, because I totally missed the racist component of that post the first time around. I went back and edited it out. Gosh I hope people don’t think I agreed with that part.