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Brad
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I know of nobody that has ever said that. Can you name 1 person that has ever said that?
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Karin
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I am sure that if I re-read some threads I could find them…
forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?63989
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Quote:*I am sick and tired of Condmning Islamic Terrorists. Now, Time has to condemn roots of the all Terror Attacks.
I Condemn Islam (World would be better place without this fascist ideology).
I Condemn Mohammed (World would be better place if this evil man was not born)
I condemn Quran (World would be better place if this racist book was not written)
These are our main enemy target. Muslim Terrorists are not. We shouldn’t strike the symptoms, We should strike the roots. Islam, Mohammed, Quran are the roots"*
sounds to me like he is saying ALL muslims are terrorists,…but then I could be reading it wrong
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UnworthySoul
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May I ask what religion you are, if any? Please tell me how any Catholic can say that other religions are true. It makes no sense. Other religions may have some portion of the Truth, but only Catholicism has the fullness of the Truth. It is Truth in entirety. No other religion has that Truth. They only see pieces of it. And not all of them, only some of them.
Again, I must ask what religion (assuming you are not atheist) you belong to and if you believe your religion to be true.
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Franze
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The problem is the same, always, relativism, all is the same, we can´t judge evil o good, it´s a pity.
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Karin
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what faith I am is not the issue. The issue is that I see people condeming Islam but no other faith…Judiasm, Pagan, etc.
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Lance
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When other religions start committing acts of terror and claiming they are doing it in the name of their religion you will see plenty of condeming. I am sure you will dig up some remote, forgotten act committed by someone, sometime other than a Muslim who claimed they were doing it in the name of religion. I am talking about mainstream and if you deny that terrorism is a part of mainstream Islam then there is no use in you and I having any further discussion about it. Your profile says your religion is ‘a little of everything’, I suspect that if you are not Muslim you are at least a sympathiser of the religion.
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Karin
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NO Lance, I am not a muslim just as I am not Catholic. Once again my faith plays no role in this. I respect all humans not matter what their faith or color! I may not agree with all people but I respect them for the human being that they are. What I am not grasping is why if Catholics believe that their religion is the only true way to salvation etc. they dont condem all faiths…does it revolve around acts of terror being commited?
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Lance
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I am not the best apologist for our faith but there is a huge difference in condeming and disagreeing. There is a whole thread about Apologetics, if you really want to understand our faith I suggest you hop over there. I tried to paste a shortcut for you, hope it works.
forums.catholic-questions.org/forumdisplay.php?f=20
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Karin
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Terrorism is part of any religion (future & past). Not all factions of Islam take part in terrorist acts.
As to my faith…once again that is not the issue. I do not sympathise with any faith…but I feel that they like Catholics should have the freedom to practice and believe what they want (Freedom of Religion)…I am not saying that they or any religion should commit terrorists acts though or violent acts in the name of God or their Faith!
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Karin
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Thank you Lance for the link. And yes there is a large difference between condeming and disagreeing. But as you see one poster has totally condemed the religon of Islam. forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?63989
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Quote:*I am sick and tired of Condmning Islamic Terrorists. Now, Time has to condemn roots of the all Terror Attacks.
I Condemn Islam (World would be better place without this fascist ideology).
I Condemn Mohammed (World would be better place if this evil man was not born)
I condemn Quran (World would be better place if this racist book was not written)
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Lance
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What other religion is using terrorism as a part of their faith today?
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UnworthySoul
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It most certainly is the issue. You demanded that Catholics tell all other religions that they are untrue. I told you befroe you even said that, to read Dominus Iesus. You obviously did not ro you would know that Dominus Iesus says just that.
If you believe your faith to be true, then by default those faiths that espouse different paths cannot be true. To say they are is to slip into relativism to make yourself feel more “inclusive” or some other such nonsense. What is so difficult about this? The difference here is that Judaism and Paganism don’t seem to be blowing up people on buses and subway trains. Doesn’t make them anymore true, just less deadly.
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Karin
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Lance
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When this person blows up a mosque of a bus full of Islamic people he will have crossed the line and become no better than the Islamic terrorist. I have no problem with any Muslim voicing their concerns about western decadence or even saying Catholicism is false as long as they don’t try to kill me or my countrymen. They have a right to their beliefs and to say what they want as long as it is not inciting others to commit acts of violence. When they attack us we have a right and a Catholic duty to defend ourselves and if by doing so we kill a few of their ‘innocents’ that blood is on their hands not ours.
I agree with the poster that the world would be better off without Islam but that does not mean we would be better off without the Muslim people. Islam is here and we must deal with it as best we can and ignoring the fact that it is now and for much of it’s history has been a voilent religion does not help us or them. That is not to say that all Muslims are violent but their religion has a history of violence and oppression and they not the rest of us must change that.
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UnworthySoul
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Oh stop. You know nothing of Catholic doctrine if you think we only think Muslims are wrong. For the third time, read Dominus Iesus. It treats all religions pretty much the same. You claim you see Islam being treated unfairly but refuse to read the documents I have suggested. And maybe the reason Islam is being treated in the manner it is, is because of the fruits of it thus far. Even in nations where there is no Muslim terror, if there is a Muslim regime running that nation, then any non-Muslims are treated as second class citizens. Having been to Saudi Arabia I have seen that firsthand.
One more thing, you are quick to point out some user who condemns Islam on the whole, while you make blanket statements that Catholics are treating Islam unfairly, but are you ever quick to defend Islam when someone mentions terrorism. Quite the blurry line you draw there.
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Karin
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I dont view Islam and terrorism as the same thing…to me they are two seperate things…a religion and the other (terrorism) an act of hatred/murder. By all means I could be wrong in how I see these things.
As to reading the Dominus Iesus, I have read it.My comments that pertain to it are not how the Catholics view other religions, but because Catholics view all religions not just Islam as not holding all of the TRUTH why is it only Islam (or so it seems once again on these threads) that are being told they are wrong. Perhaps once again I may not be wording or asking the question the right way for you to understand what I am asking.
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selvaraj
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Can you provide a list like this from any other religions than Islam?
" The List " of Islamic Terror Attacks Since September 11th, 2001
In Christ,
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Karin
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Not since 9/11/01…but historically, probably if I took the time …once again my view is that Islam and terrorism are seperate. Some people combine them in the sense “I killed 1000 people in the name of Islam”…My understanding of Islam (the religion) is that it does not condone this type of action (terrorism) just like Catholics, Jews etc do not condone it.
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legeorge
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The Pope answered a specific question about Islam. He wasn’t questioned about any other religion. That is what this thread is about and that is why Islam is the only religion being discussed here. If a group of Jewish people had blown up hotels in Egypt or a clan of Mormons had bombed the subways in England, the errancy of their religious beliefs would be the topic of discussion in this thread. If you want to see Catholics defending their faith against other religious beliefs, you can check out the Non-Catholic Religions Forum and see lots of Catholics defending their beliefs and proclaiming that Catholicism is the One True Church. Does that help?
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selvaraj
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**ISLAM IS TERRORISM ACCORDING TO THEIR BOOKS:
******Bukhari:V4B52N220 “Allah’s Apostle said, ‘I have been made victorious with terror.’”
Qur’an 8:12 “I shall terrorize the infidels. So wound their bodies and incapacitate them because they oppose Allah and His Apostle.”
Qur’an 8:57 “If you gain mastery over them in battle, inflict such a defeat as would terrorize them, so that they would learn a lesson and be warned.”
Ishaq:326 “If you come upon them, deal so forcibly as to terrify those who would follow, that they may be warned. Make a severe example of them by terrorizing Allah’s enemies.”
***Qur’an 8:67 ***“It is not fitting for any prophet to have prisoners until he has made a great slaughtered in the land.”
prophetofdoom.net/quotes1.html#terrorism
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