The topic here is the use of the Tridentine Mass and the Novus Ordo Mass. You bring up liberal accomodation of others, but not accomodation of the Schismatics.
Where are the liberals trying to accommodate Muslim, Buddhist, or Hindu forms of the Mass? I don’t see it, even in “liberal” parishes.
Your first point, if I understand it was that “liberal” accomodation to non-christian groups is not consistant with their non-accomidation of Schimatics is not a valid point for this thread. I strongly disgree. It is central to understanding the issues that divide the church today.
Your second point was basically “show me the money”. That is demonstrate where liberals embrace moslems and other non-christian groups yet desire traditionalists to fall offf the facre of the Earth. (Please, I said this with intentional hyperbole to draw the contrast between the two attitudes.)
Case in point, SSPX. This group is often referred to as schismatic. Yet they are not
technically schismatic. Some of the their leaders
are in schism, but the priests in the society have an
irregular relationship to Rome. Yet, many continue call SSPX “schismatic”. Their voices are so loud that it successfully keeps Bishop Fellay and other leaders from engaging in serious discussions about regularizing their relationship. Those who yell “schism” the loudest seem to be the ones who want the schism to be real.
remnantnewspaper.com/Archives/archive-2005-1130-hoyos-30days.htm
As for groups that have engaged in an, look no further than the decline of the Jesuit and Franciscan orders. There was great controversy at the inclusion of Muslim, Zoastroists, and so on, clerics at Masses at the Catherdral at Assisi, Italy. The same Assisi as in St. Francis. This ocurred on January 24, 2002.
sspx.org/discussions/rome_sspx_campos_continued.htm
(I do not agree with much of the editorializing in this story, but it does present some interting facts. Their spin, however, must be taken into account. You may not like what they say, but they did not invent it.)
(This is a subscripbtion link to a more “hard news” version of the same event.)
cwnews.com/news/viewstory.cfm?recnum=17273
Those in charge of administerring Fatima have been accused of similar abuses by conservatives, but I do not recall the details. and I do not have time to do a search.
I will say that liberals are not the only ones who are selective about whom they attack and who they embrace.
The problem is, if a person can’t pass the
2865 Test, they really cannot call themself Catholic, liberal, conservative, traditional or dissenter. Unfortunately, it is many of the “liberals” who are unable to pass this all-important test yet they deny the needs of those traditional groups who can pass this test blindfolded.
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