Popular Protestant pastor changes his mind on Holy Communion

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What kind of education these pastors get if they dont know that it was Body of Christ for the 1500 years?
And if I heard correctly he didn’t know there is 30k denominations!
And those pastors then lead other people.
 
I’ve watched “The Journey Home” with Marcus Grodi. He talks to converts, many of them protestant pastors. And I am amazed at how horrible some of their seminaries are. Learn church history up till about 100 A.D. Then go to lunch and come back talking about Martin Luther. As if those ‘other’ 1400 years, most of the churches’ existence, never even happened. Really astonishing.
 
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I’ve watched “The Journey Home” with Marcus Grodi. He talks to converts, many of them protestant pastors. And I am amazed at how horrible some of their seminaries are. Learn church history up till about 100 A.D. Then go to lunch and come back talking about Martin Luther. As if those ‘other’ 1400 years, most of the churches’ existence, never even happened. Really astonishing.
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I grew up in an Evangelical Protestant church.

What we (laypeople) were taught is that the Church was strong until around the 4th Century (after the Roman Empire fell and the stadium shows featuring the killing of Christians was stopped).

Then the true Christian Church went underground and protected the Bible while above -ground, the Catholic Church (a mystery cult based on Babylonian goddess worship) took over Jesus’ teachings and changed them to a works-based theology. The Catholic Church became a government in and of itself.

But thankfully, the Catholic Church has been influenced by the True Church and they are discovering the truth about Christianity–that Jesus Only is the Way, the Truth, and the Life, and all the man-made sacraments are mere works and not necessary for salvation. We should be friends with Catholics and enjoy certain aspects of their worship, e.g., the beautiful windows and some of the music, but recognize that much of Catholicism is still “works of man” and therefore opposed to what Jesus taught.

That’s essentially what we were taught in my Evangelical Protestant church.

HOWEVER–my husband and I have been reading Christianity Today (THE Evangelical Protestant magazine, founded by Billy Graham) for decades, and it is obvious that many of the Evangelical Protestant churches no longer teach or believe any of this. Chuck Colson (R.I.P.)–one of the great intellects of modern Evangelicalsim, and Father Richard John Neuhaus, came together and started “Evangelicals and Catholics Together,” a wonderful WONDERFUL organization that is working towards unity of the Christian Church.

Other respected Evangelical Protestant pastors and teachers have written scholarly and common articles revealing the history of the Christian Church and recognizing that the Church that Jesus founded was, indeed, the Catholic Church. As a result, many Evangelical Churches are incorporating “Catholic” practices into their worship services, e.g., lectio divina, candles, silence, confession (mainly corporate at this point), etc.

Of course there is backlash against this from more fundamentalist Evangelicals, who still believe that the Catholic Church is a cult and not Christian at all because of the teachings about “works,” purgatory, indulgences, prayers to the saints, etc.

I hope this is all helpful. I grew up in a nationally-recognized Evangelical Protestant church that has produced several well-known pastors, teachers, and authors, and I believe that what I was taught was pretty typical of Evangelical Protestant churches.
 
I would like to add that one reason many Evangelical Protestants have come to recognize Catholicism as a “true Christianity” is the untiring work that Catholics have done to end the scourge of legal abortion and to help those affected negatively by it.

It is horrible to think that an evil thing like abortion was necessary to bring Catholics and Protestants together again. But I truly believe that’s what God had to allow to get us all together. That’s how seriously God wants Christian unity. I realize that others will disagree with me about abortion being allowed and used by God to accomplish His will.
 
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It is horrible to think that an evil thing like abortion was necessary to bring Catholics and Protestants together again. But I truly believe that’s what God had to allow to get us all together. That’s how seriously God wants Christian unity.
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While Catholics and protestants have been firing at each other as if we were enemies of each other, true evil has grown. We just don’t or won’t see that the enemy uses our disunity and our infighting, in order to distract us from opposing the true evil that grows in our midst. And now all our differences look so petty in the face of the differences between us and the world, abortion being one example, and same sex marriage being another. The dissension between Catholics and protestants also greatly distracts from God’s heart to reach the world. We expend so many resources fighting each other instead of evangelizing those who have no concept of Christ. May God forgive us, and unite us. It should rightly break our hearts.
 
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We definitely need more great preachers in the Church.
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It is intriguing that within the Protestant realm there are ignorant uninformed men who because of their charisma and eloquence are able to dupe followers by tickling their ears. They are considered trash until suddenly they realize that there is a more lucrative market inside Catholicism. As soon as they proclaim they believe in the Catholic Eucharist the Catholic world claims them as heroes and great preachers who are not qualified to be priests but are easily set up as great radio personalities and teachers who still tickle the ears of listeners and supporters.
 
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ignorant uninformed men who because of their charisma and eloquence are able to dupe followers by tickling their ears. They are considered trash until suddenly they realize that there is a more lucrative market
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Motives!! A problem since the very beginnings of the church, see Phil 1:15-18. But I love Paul’s conclusion - “What does it matter? Just this, that Christ is proclaimed in every way, whether out of false motives or true; and in that I rejoice. Yes, and I will continue to rejoice,”‭‭ Philippians‬ ‭1:18‬.

And of course we can’t really ever truly understand anyone else’s motives except our own. That is my real battlefield of course, seeking from God pure motives. What a beautiful opportunity God gives us to grow in purity of heart, and thus, to become more & more like him all the time.
 
Just for clarification…you are saying that if both you and I are proclaiming Christ and desire to grow in relationship with Him, it matters not that we disagree on whether Communion is symbolic or Transubstantiation?
 
Sort of, yes. Truth matters very much, of course, so I wouldn’t go so far as to say “it matters not”. But these significant differences should not be allowed to divide us completely or even lead us to denounce each other. If you are trying to love Jesus with all your heart soul mind and strength, then I embrace you as a brother, and I applaud your faith, even if we do differ on some of the specifics. I’m a work in progress, and since you still walk this earth, I guess you are too. I’m OK with that.
 
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yes, just learn what you want to hear then preach what people wanna hear.
 
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Sort of, yes. Truth matters very much, of course, so I wouldn’t go so far as to say “it matters not”. But these significant differences should not be allowed to divide us completely or even lead us to denounce each other. If you are trying to love Jesus with all your heart soul mind and strength, then I embrace you as a brother, and I applaud your faith, even if we do differ on some of the specifics. I’m a work in progress, and since you still walk this earth, I guess you are too. I’m OK with that.
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Thank you very much…I have a Catholic Deacon as a friend who says the same thing which is so different from most posters here. Your kind of Catholic is easy to appreciate.
 
Lenten_ashes said:
I’ve watched “The Journey Home” with Marcus Grodi. He talks to converts, many of them protestant pastors. And I am amazed at how horrible some of their seminaries are. Learn church history up till about 100 A.D. Then go to lunch and come back talking about Martin Luther. As if those ‘other’ 1400 years, most of the churches’ existence, never even happened. Really astonishing.
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When considering practice and doctrine, use of the term Protestant is folly.

I was raised in the home of a Lutheran pastor. He didn’t simply talk about Luther. In fact, I would contend that, in most cases, graduates of Lutheran seminaries are as knowledgeable of the early Church as graduates of Catholic seminaries.
While what you say may be true of some, the blanket statement about “Protestant pastors” is inaccurate
 
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yes, just learn what you want to hear then preach what people wanna hear.
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When we question each other’s integrity, as this post appears to have done here, instead of considering their beliefs as formed by conscience, it cuts off effective dialogue.
 
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Lutherans and maybe Anglicans, would likely be the exceptions.

Evangelicals, in general, seem to be the one’s I see stating that their seminaries were basically designed to keep them in the dark in regards to church history.
 
I could say the same about nominal Catholics who convert to Protestantism and become ‘heroes’ on their side, full of misinformation, yet tickle the ears of the anti-Catholics.
 
Lenten_ashes said:
Lutherans and maybe Anglicans, would likely be the exceptions.

Evangelicals, in general, seem to be the one’s I see stating that their seminaries were basically designed to keep them in the dark in regards to church history.
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Agreed about Lutherans and Anglicans. There may be others.

“Designed to keep them in the dark” seems to imply a motive.
I’ll just say that to not study the early Church removes the necessary frame of reference to understand the faith.
 
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Lenten_ashes:
I’ve watched “The Journey Home” with Marcus Grodi. He talks to converts, many of them protestant pastors. And I am amazed at how horrible some of their seminaries are. Learn church history up till about 100 A.D. Then go to lunch and come back talking about Martin Luther. As if those ‘other’ 1400 years, most of the churches’ existence, never even happened. Really astonishing.
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When considering practice and doctrine, use of the term Protestant is folly.

I was raised in the home of a Lutheran pastor. He didn’t simply talk about Luther. In fact, I would contend that, in most cases, graduates of Lutheran seminaries are as knowledgeable of the early Church as graduates of Catholic seminaries.
While what you say may be true of some, the blanket statement about “Protestant pastors” is inaccurate
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In this instance Jon, i do not agree with you on the misuse of the word protestant. Many times your point is taken, this time however i must respectfully disagree.

Peace!!!
 
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