[Practicing, Poorly Catechized] Lesbian Denied Communion at Mother's Funeral

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What is this web site anyway? TIA
You can of course do what you wish, however I would stay away from there if I were you. Reading the comments that supposed Catholics post after some of their articles is an eye opening and frankly, frightening experience. The articles themselves are bad enough, but the comments afterwards are often worse.

Peace of Christ,
 
Reading the comments that supposed Catholics post after some of their articles is an eye opening and frankly, frightening experience. The articles themselves are bad enough, but the comments afterwards are often worse.
:sad_yes: Ya know, I’ve been reading that website for several years (as frequently as I can stomach it, which is infrequent). I.m.o., the comments section has deteriorated significantly. There are a few more rational, subdued, & knowledgeable commenters among the unpleasant majority, but I have seen less of those voices recently, and perhaps with good reason. (It’s hard to be heard over the din of such cacaphony.) I don’t always agree with those few voices – sometimes I do, when the theology is sound & the points are well made; but when I don’t agree, their points have been made with moderation and thoughtfulness.

Regarding the Barbara Johnson story, those comments which appear on that site are alarmingly vicious, toward Church authority, toward Church doctrine, and toward any contributor who dares repeat Catholic doctrine regarding (for example, the condition for reception of the sacraments). The sense of personal entitlement and privately determined morality is squarely in opposition to Catholic doctrine. It’s interesting to me that fewer respondents focused on the canonical aspects, while more focused on respondents’ hatred of orthodox Catholic sexuality.

But since it did come up in those comments, and since I have seen it referred to in other “liberal” Catholic outlets, I want to reiterate that the Church does not consider reception of communion to rest with the receiver’s “feelings” – in general, on the occasion of a specific Mass, or on the occasion of grief or anguish. The conditions for reception of Eucharist have everything to do with honest self-examination & self-awareness as to one’s moral state, without regard to the occasion of that sacrament and the supposed personal “need” or “meaning” assigned to that event.

If I’m in a state of mortal sin (let’s say I introduce a boyfriend to the presiding priest as “my lover” or “my partner,” it makes no difference what the occasion is – someone’s wedding, First Communion, or the funeral of my sister: I am not “more” entitled to receive than at any ordinary Mass: I am not entitled to receive at all.
 
ok was just making sure for me that convinced me why while the priest was being courageous overstepped the bounds of Cannon 915.
Ermmmm… just to prevent you getting any red pen through words in your seminary essays, it’s actually ‘Canon’ like in ‘Canon of the Mass’, not ‘cannon’ as in gun.
 
Ermmmm… just to prevent you getting any red pen through words in your seminary essays, it’s actually ‘Canon’ like in ‘Canon of the Mass’, not ‘cannon’ as in gun.
Perhaps a Freudian slip …
 
Perhaps, but I don’t really care if it were even our good Pope Benedict XVI’s personal choice over all Canon lawyers who made that particular pronouncement.

Granted, I went a little bug-eyed trying to catch up by reading all the posts when a thread I was on got merged with this one, but I don’t think I ever saw it mentioned anywhere that this particular Canon lawyer, as skilled as he may be, was privy to any information (or disinformation) that we didn’t have - which means, until we have a chance (if ever) to hear what actually happened in the words of Father Marcel Guarnizo , it is presumptuous to say what he did is wrong… or even to say it’s right . But the media has already tried and crucified him. Let’s try not to repeat that error - it can happen so easily in a forum.

The best lawyer in the world’s opinion based on speculation or conjecture, is still just that -speculation or conjecture.

Personally, I detect a bit of a funny odour emanating from the “offended party’s” statements in the media - the statements are just a little too conveniently worded … sure - probably speculation or conjecture on my part too … right ? Well, it wouldn’t hurt some of us to use our search engines a little more to see exactly what the gay militants have been doing with this story in the media. It stinks !! I think oneofmany has that one already figured out 👍 :
The article I posted states that she received communion—just not from the priest. A Eucharist minister gave it to her. I don’t think much was said about the eulogy except the priest wasn’t there for much of it. If he was getting a migraine then that is understandable.

This whole story seems to be an agenda thing to me. Gays are forcing the church to accept them even when they are living with a “lover.” I don’t think that will ever happen. They need to respect that even if they do not like it.
 
I admire the priest’s courage, even if he was imprudent. I can’t stand the news article that makes this lesbian woman the victim when the situation was 95% her fault. There is no way she could not know that being in a lesbian situation was mortally sinful. Instead of putting all the spotlight on the priest for how he could have handled it better, I would rather say it was the woman who failed to handle this appropriately by assuming she could get away with sacrilege.
 
Ermmmm… just to prevent you getting any red pen through words in your seminary essays, it’s actually ‘Canon’ like in ‘Canon of the Mass’, not ‘cannon’ as in gun.
thanks I need to proofread my stuff on this site more.
 
You can of course do what you wish, however I would stay away from there if I were you. Reading the comments that supposed Catholics post after some of their articles is an eye opening and frankly, frightening experience. The articles themselves are bad enough, but the comments afterwards are often worse.

Peace of Christ,
My heart just loved the St Dominic and his wonderful order a little bit more.
 
Ermmmm… just to prevent you getting any red pen through words in your seminary essays, it’s actually ‘Canon’ like in ‘Canon of the Mass’, not ‘cannon’ as in gun.
“Canon as in camera” is easier way to remember it if you don’t have eidetic memory for spellings like me 🙂
 
Cannon of the Mass… does this happen in the A.D. 33 Overture by St. Peter?

Who pulls the lanyards? The Sons of Thunder?

Such a concussion shakes the dust from our souls.

Smooth ball, like David’s stones… every time the “Cannon” booms, Goliath goes down.

Is not my God a God of war for peace?

And is not my God a warrior? A Conquering King?

Does not Calvary’s Cavalry have Artillery?

Cannon of the Mass… I dig it.
 
A third possibility is that the lesbian parishioner is well aware of Catholic rules on the receipt of communion — indeed, strongly opposed to them and, more broadly, to Catholic teaching on gay and lesbian sex. She wanted to launch a protest against these rules. Her decision to do so may have been easier in this case because Father Guarnizo is said to be well-known in the community for his strong public defense of traditional Catholic doctrine on this and other questions, notably abortion, and thus held peculiarly responsible for a rule she dislikes. So, when she arrived at the altar rail, she knowingly gave him a simple choice — either to violate his conscience or to cause an embarrassing public scandal.
nationalreview.com/corner/292789/father-marcel-trial-john-o-sullivan

The author also covers this issue:
Whatever the facts of this particular case, however, lesbian and gay Catholics may feel, reasonably enough, that I have so far omitted a vital point: What are they to do on occasions such as weddings, funerals, and christenings, when they want to join their families fully in a Christian service marking these landmarks of life but are excluded from some of the sacraments? Why should they suffer this exclusion? This anguish is not confined to gays and lesbians.
I was at a funeral mass recently where easily more than half those in attendance were not Catholic. The priest invited everyone up during Communion, Catholics to take, and non-Catholics (Protestants mostly, but also some fallen away Catholics) to be blessed, which they would indicate simply by crossing their arms over their chest. I’m sure you’ve probably seen the same.

A simple and elegant solution that in no way slighted the non-Catholics.
 
You can of course do what you wish, however I would stay away from there if I were you. Reading the comments that supposed Catholics post after some of their articles is an eye opening and frankly, frightening experience. The articles themselves are bad enough, but the comments afterwards are often worse.

Peace of Christ,
Well, I tried to read who that site was owned by but didn’t have much luck. Obviously it is owned by a hate group of the Catholic church. I see so many people post from hate sites when they want to put down the church. I can usually tell right away a hate site and I can ask the person why are they quoting from a hate site.

That site is worse in my opinion since they come off as a genuine Catholic site and they really are not.
 
Gee, I guess Father was right after all. Surprise, surprise. deep sarcasm

catholicvote.org/discuss/index.php?p=27899
Now Johnson is on a crusade to get the priest, Fr. Marcel Guarnizo, removed from ministry, telling the Post that Fr. Marcel “brought [his] politics, not [his] God into that Church yesterday” and that he will “pay dearly on the day of judgement for judging [her].”
Despicable.
 
Whether this is true or not, the whole things smells like a setup. The facts as originally given defy common sense.
Yes they do. I can’t know, but would be floored if this wasn’t a set-up.
 
News Outlets Failed to Reveal Lesbian Denied Communion at Mother’s Funeral … is a Buddhist and Gay Rights Activist

catholicvote.org/discuss/index.php?p=27899
Before the funeral mass, Barbara Johnson went into to the sacristy and introduced her lesbian “partner” to Father Marcel.

Father Marcel also did not publicly denounce Miss Johnson, instead he quietly whispered to her that he could not give her communion.

patheos.com/blogs/deaconsbench/2012/02/from-the-e-mail-i-wanted-you-to-know-there-is-more-to-this-story/
 
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