"Praise and Worship" taking place in presence of the Blessed Sacrament

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Since the OP’s personal experience has been brought up and questioned by both those who agree with him and those who don’t, I would like to share my personal experience of the exact same situation (albeit at a different time and possibly a different campus).

What is seeming like more and more years ago I attended Franciscan University of Steubenville. I lived in “Trinity,” a men’s dorm that was unique among the dorms on campus in that our dorm housed the pre-theologate students/household. I was fortunate enough to live for most of my time on the basement level of the dorm, the same level as the chapel. The same sign mentioned by the O.P. hung outside the chapel, and we were all very respectful of the Lord’s Presence within. In fact the majority of us would reverently make the sign of the Cross as we walked passed, and many would actually genuflect. Some would even crack the door open a bit in order to see the Tabernacle and pay due reverence. Overall, all the men in the dorm were VERY respectful of our Lord in the Tabernacle.

That being said, we did have a weekly praise and worship session within the chapel that was scheduled and approved. I attended some as an observer (I was a bit tentative with my involvement for a time), and later was a very active participant. I was drawn into it quite simply because the men worshiping there were so reverent and prayerful. They were not just having a concert and partying, but were actually and truly praying. Much of the time the majority of the men from the pre-theologate program also attended. Many of those men remained in that program all the way through college, attended seminary afterwards, and are serving the Church as priests and deacons today! Having known them personally, I can say that they were all very holy men and extremely respectful of our Lord in the Blessed Sacrament. The same can be said of the other men who lived in the dorm and attended the praise and worship meetings.

My own household held praise and worship meetings a couple of times a week, and even hosted the Tuesday night all-campus praise and worship meetings for a time. Only once a month did we get the privilege of holding our praise and worship meetings in front of the Blessed Sacrament, and we all felt very grateful for that time. In our prayer we were 100% focused on Christ’s Eucharistic Presence I can assure you.

As to the other things, folks need to remember that the Church doesn’t sanction any one particular posture for prayer, nor does it say that prayer can only be silent or recited. St. Augustine himself said that, “He who sings prays twice.” St. Dominic - that’s right, the founder of the Dominican’s - had 9 different postures that he used during prayer time. The great mystics of the Eastern Catholic and Orthodox Churches also talk about different postures for prayer; standing, sitting, kneeling, prostrating, hands held at your side, hands held at shoulder level, hand raised on high, etc., etc., etc. In the Roman tradition there are even multiple liturgical postures apart from the various postures that folks use in their personal prayer life - kneeling, standing, sitting, one-knee genuflection, two-knee genuflection, prostration, and even lying on your face! In some Catholic traditions, such as the Ethiopian (Eastern/Oriental) Catholic tradition, there are even forms of liturgical dance that date back to ancient times. :eek: King David himself, one of the greatest figures in the Old Testament, played music and danced before the Arc of the Covenant, which was for the ancient Israelite the equivalent to what the Blessed Sacrament is to us!

The last thing that I will point out here is that this was NOT a liturgical event. This was a group coming together simply for a private devotion, the same way a rosary society meets to pray the rosary. The Church, at least at the level of the local bishops, has approved Praise and Worship meetings as appropriate forms of devotion and private and/or public prayer. Whether or not it is appropriate for liturgical use is a different question as, again, this event was not liturgical.

I can only suggest that, if Praise and Worship meetings do not add anything to your personal prayer life, then simply don’t attend. There is nothing that says that the LotH must be prayed in front of the Blessed Sacrament. Allow others, especially groups of men, the benefit and blessing of being able to worship in front of the Blessed Sacrament in the way that draws them more deeply to God, and rejoice that they are being drawn more deeply to God and not into the temptations of the world. It’s only once a month for about 1/2 hour to an hour. Heck, I’d be willing to be that if you invited them to pray the Little Office with them afterwards, a good chunk of them would stay behind and join you! 😃
 
The chapel is for the residents of that particular dorm. There were students from other dorms in there. They didn’t want to pray in the chapel, they wanted to have a concert/party.

I’m more upset that my Lord was disrespected and proper reverence wasn’t given to Him. I’m not so much upset that I didn’t get to pray Compline in my usual spot, I can pray that anywhere. I spent a good thirty minutes crying because Christ was disrespected.

I asked if I could schedule a time where I could remove all the furniture from the chapel and perform gymnastics in the presence of Christ in order to give glory to God but that was turned down. Neither gymnastics nor Praise and Worship are a part of the Catholic Liturgical tradition. The point is that both are disrespectful and go against the intended purpose of the chapel.
I think you would be better off having a little charity toward others concerning their worship style. You cannot call something disrespectful unless you know it is, and you have no way of knowing what is in their hearts. God does not specify how He is to be praised, but He did say that we are not to pass judgment on others unless we have first taken the speck out of our own. The chapel is intended for prayer, but prayer does not have to be only what you imagine it to be–it can take many forms, including praise and worship.

Quit criticizing and passing judgment on other’s spirituality – what they are doing is perfectly acceptable, esp since they have permission and have prearranged a time, and their purpose is to worship God. You don’t own the chapel and it doesn’t matter if people from other dorms are in there. God is not so selfish when it comes to His house and welcomes all. Have a little tolerance and charity towards those who are not acting and praying exactly as you think they should.
 
Words from a Praise and Worship song…

Come and worship, Royal Priesthood,
Come and praise Him, Holy Nation,
Worship Jesus, our Redeemer,
He is precious, King of Glory!

I am glad there’s a group of people taking time to come together to praise and worship the Lord where you are. I think the post of Phillip Rolfes should put you at ease about the situation. God dwells in the praises of His people. How awesome it is to have Him truly present in the most blessed sacrament! It must have been a powerful hour of prayer. Maybe one day you can come and observe through the whole hour. Can you ask someone who was there to show you some of the music and lyrics they were using?

I’ve been to many praise and worship evenings with holy priests in attendance. One of the priests was the exorcise for the province who was a ‘heavy hitter’ in my books. Have peace.
 
Since the OP’s personal experience has been brought up and questioned by both those who agree with him and those who don’t, I would like to share my personal experience of the exact same situation (albeit at a different time and possibly a different campus).

What is seeming like more and more years ago I attended Franciscan University of Steubenville. I lived in “Trinity,” a men’s dorm that was unique among the dorms on campus in that our dorm housed the pre-theologate students/household. I was fortunate enough to live for most of my time on the basement level of the dorm, the same level as the chapel. The same sign mentioned by the O.P. hung outside the chapel, and we were all very respectful of the Lord’s Presence within. In fact the majority of us would reverently make the sign of the Cross as we walked passed, and many would actually genuflect. Some would even crack the door open a bit in order to see the Tabernacle and pay due reverence. Overall, all the men in the dorm were VERY respectful of our Lord in the Tabernacle.

That being said, we did have a weekly praise and worship session within the chapel that was scheduled and approved. I attended some as an observer (I was a bit tentative with my involvement for a time), and later was a very active participant. I was drawn into it quite simply because the men worshiping there were so reverent and prayerful. They were not just having a concert and partying, but were actually and truly praying. Much of the time the majority of the men from the pre-theologate program also attended. Many of those men remained in that program all the way through college, attended seminary afterwards, and are serving the Church as priests and deacons today! Having known them personally, I can say that they were all very holy men and extremely respectful of our Lord in the Blessed Sacrament. The same can be said of the other men who lived in the dorm and attended the praise and worship meetings.

My own household held praise and worship meetings a couple of times a week, and even hosted the Tuesday night all-campus praise and worship meetings for a time. Only once a month did we get the privilege of holding our praise and worship meetings in front of the Blessed Sacrament, and we all felt very grateful for that time. In our prayer we were 100% focused on Christ’s Eucharistic Presence I can assure you.

As to the other things, folks need to remember that the Church doesn’t sanction any one particular posture for prayer, nor does it say that prayer can only be silent or recited. St. Augustine himself said that, “He who sings prays twice.” St. Dominic - that’s right, the founder of the Dominican’s - had 9 different postures that he used during prayer time. The great mystics of the Eastern Catholic and Orthodox Churches also talk about different postures for prayer; standing, sitting, kneeling, prostrating, hands held at your side, hands held at shoulder level, hand raised on high, etc., etc., etc. In the Roman tradition there are even multiple liturgical postures apart from the various postures that folks use in their personal prayer life - kneeling, standing, sitting, one-knee genuflection, two-knee genuflection, prostration, and even lying on your face! In some Catholic traditions, such as the Ethiopian (Eastern/Oriental) Catholic tradition, there are even forms of liturgical dance that date back to ancient times. :eek: King David himself, one of the greatest figures in the Old Testament, played music and danced before the Arc of the Covenant, which was for the ancient Israelite the equivalent to what the Blessed Sacrament is to us!

The last thing that I will point out here is that this was NOT a liturgical event. This was a group coming together simply for a private devotion, the same way a rosary society meets to pray the rosary. The Church, at least at the level of the local bishops, has approved Praise and Worship meetings as appropriate forms of devotion and private and/or public prayer. Whether or not it is appropriate for liturgical use is a different question as, again, this event was not liturgical.

I can only suggest that, if Praise and Worship meetings do not add anything to your personal prayer life, then simply don’t attend. There is nothing that says that the LotH must be prayed in front of the Blessed Sacrament. Allow others, especially groups of men, the benefit and blessing of being able to worship in front of the Blessed Sacrament in the way that draws them more deeply to God, and rejoice that they are being drawn more deeply to God and not into the temptations of the world. It’s only once a month for about 1/2 hour to an hour. Heck, I’d be willing to be that if you invited them to pray the Little Office with them afterwards, a good chunk of them would stay behind and join you! 😃
Thank you so much for sharing your experience. I think it straightened out a bit of the debate going on. It seems that Praise and Worship meetings just may not be the OP’s personal preference. Thank God He made us all different. Personally, there are times I needed the silence when visiting Jesus in the Eucharist and there are other times I wanted the Praise and Worship style. I am thankful for both opportunities to spend time with Jesus.
 
First of all, we do not know what kind of, if any, shenanigans was going on at this “praise and worship” event. The OP does. They were there. If there was blatant disrespect for the Blessed Sacrament I’m going to give the OP the benefit of the doubt, not automatically make them into the bad guy.

“Publicly insulting those with whom we do not agree”? This is a conversation without a name mentioned or implied. Who exactly is being publicly insulted other than the OP here?

The comment questioning the depth and sincerity of the OP’s prayer is an inappropriate personal attack. Talk about uncharitable. Perhaps an apology is in order.
No, it sounds like the OP was offended simply by the fact that people were doing something she personally didn’t agree with, like people getting their knickers in an anxious knot over seeing people take communion in the hand, and crying about not respecting their Lord.
 
Is it wrong for them to do this “Praise and Worship” in the presence of Christ in the Eucharist? I hope to talk to the priest in charge of campus ministry soon.
Of course it is not disrespectful to Jesus to offer him joyous song and praise in his presence. I was disrespectful to you though, as that time was set aside for silent meditation.
 
With all due respect to those here, who then, is being uncharitable? Those of you who claim Tradition are coming down on this poor student who feels this is inappropriate and I agree with them. Even if they were allowed to have their “praise service,” there was no need to remove the pews. They could have at least turned towardOur Lord in the Tabernacle, and directed their praise to Him there. I never did like that 60s-70s “feel-goody” stuff, anyway, so I’ may sound a bit harsh myself. I feel bad if I attend Mass badly. At least this person wants proper respect for Our Lord. Go easy on them.:dts:
 
I go to a Catholic university and in all the Residence Halls, they have chapels with the Presence of Christ in the Tabernacle.

I pray all 8 hours of the Little Office of the Blessed Virgin Mary, in conformity with the 1961 Editio Typica of the Roman Breviary that was permitted by Summorum Pontificum and I like to do this in the chapel.

I was told that the chapels were a place for that Hall’s residents to silently pray in the Presence of the Eucharist. In fact, there are signs outside the chapel that instructs students to be quiet in and around the Chapel.

It was 9:00 pm and I went down to pray Compline, as that is the time instructed by St. Benedict. I was shocked to see all the chairs and kneelers removed and people sitting on the ground, ignoring the presence of Christ. Then the guitar music starts and people begin singing loudly. Everything was focused on the music and guitar player and the Blessed Sacrament seemed to get lost.

I talked to the person in charge of the dorm and explained to him that the chapel was designated for students to pray. I felt they were disrespecting Christ. I was told that there are “many different liturgical traditions” and we should respect them all. I’m sorry, but since when has guitar music and hand waving been a part of the Catholic Liturgical tradition? I want to pray in a liturgical way that dates back to the eight century.

Is it wrong for them to do this “Praise and Worship” in the presence of Christ in the Eucharist? I hope to talk to the priest in charge of campus ministry soon.
No it is not wrong. It is a style of worship you are not accustomed to. That does not mean it is wrong. There is not one style of worship, which point I am not going to get into further, cause it’s already debated ad-nauseum on this forum.

I walked into our adoration chapel one morning when some Hispanic parishioners were adoring, praising God with guitars and singing. It was a moving and very spiritually profitable experience for me, even though I could not understand one word. I just listened and participated in my heart, and the worship brought me closer to Christ. It is really something special to participate with people singing their hearts out in prasie of the Blessed Sacrament. My “private” adoration hour is also great. Point being, worshipping and adoring the Blessed Sacrament is tremendous experience, and we should worship as we best know how.
 
With all due respect to those here, who then, is being uncharitable? Those of you who claim Tradition are coming down on this poor student who feels this is inappropriate and I agree with them. Even if they were allowed to have their “praise service,” there was no need to remove the pews. They could have at least turned towardOur Lord in the Tabernacle, and directed their praise to Him there. I never did like that 60s-70s “feel-goody” stuff, anyway, so I’ may sound a bit harsh myself. I feel bad if I attend Mass badly. At least this person wants proper respect for Our Lord. Go easy on them.:dts:
And your comment right there shows you have the same attitude everyone else here has. I don’t like it, so it’s bad.

Why is it a big deal? I don’t see why it’s a big deal. SO what, they weren’t looking at the tabernacle. Theyr’e still THER aren’t they? If I had been there, and someone like OP had decided to speak up, well, I probably just wouldn’t have come back!

I notice the OP specifically said “disrespectful to MY Lord”, as though OP has a very intimate understadniong of what God finds disrespectful, that these poor dumb kids couldn’t ever understand.
 
Well wouldn’t we feel silly if the pews were removed because the new carpeting was getting put in before the new school year.
 
With all due respect to those here, who then, is being uncharitable? Those of you who claim Tradition are coming down on this poor student who feels this is inappropriate and I agree with them. Even if they were allowed to have their “praise service,” there was no need to remove the pews. They could have at least turned towardOur Lord in the Tabernacle, and directed their praise to Him there. I never did like that 60s-70s “feel-goody” stuff, anyway, so I’ may sound a bit harsh myself. I feel bad if I attend Mass badly. At least this person wants proper respect for Our Lord. Go easy on them.:dts:
Do we really know whether or not they were facing the monstrance? I did not think the OP said anything clearly as to where they were facing. As to pews being removed, I see no problem with that, having a pew does not make it easier or harder to be reverent and prayerful.🤷 Just to be clear, I’m not trying to be hard on the OP, but I do think we need more information before we can start attacking what happened, from what has so far been provided it does seem very possible that the OP overreacted.
 
When we have adoration in Church, our choir is facing the congregation while singing Tantum Ergo.
We face directly away from the Blessed Sacrament.
With all due respect to the OP, you’re talking about matters of taste. Broaden your horizons, do not be so threatened by worship you may not understand, or that does not fit your comfort zone. Kids worshipping in the chapel…think about this. We all peep and moan about kids these days, and here we have kids in the adoration chapel prasing the one God we all worship.

You don’t say that you spoke to these people, and you are obviously very concerned about their spiritual welfare. Why don’t you get with these kids and get to know them personally, as Jesus would probably do. If you do, you may find as I almost always do, you will learn something from them and come closer to Christ because of knowing them.
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Maybe you guys don’t understand what I’m trying to get at here. The chapel is not designed for vocal prayer or singing. If they want to do this Praise and Worship stuff, there are appropriate places on campus to do so. This is the sign that is posted outside the chapel:

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As you can see, the sign explicitly states no singing. Whether you or I think singing, clapping, covering up the tabernacle with a picture, putting books and music on a consecrated altar, etc. is appropriate is not relevant right now. The chapel is designed for silent prayer and adoration and this group is not maintaining a reverent and respectful silence as requested by the sign.
 
Maybe you guys don’t understand what I’m trying to get at here. The chapel is not designed for vocal prayer or singing. If they want to do this Praise and Worship stuff, there are appropriate places on campus to do so. This is the sign that is posted outside the chapel:

http://img221.imageshack.us/img221/481/20120830082407.jpg

As you can see, the sign explicitly states no singing. Whether you or I think singing, clapping, covering up the tabernacle with a picture, putting books and music on a consecrated altar, etc. is appropriate is not relevant right now. The chapel is designed for silent prayer and adoration and this group is not maintaining a reverent and respectful silence as requested by the sign.
The sign posted by Campus Ministry.

The same Campus Ministry who authorized the praise and worship.

They are doing what they are allowed to do, what the authorities have given permission to do.

Say the Pope says “you are dispensed from fasting this Friday”, despite it being written down you have to fast.

Guess what? You don’t have to fast.

You have how many hours you can go there to pray? Can’t you allow these folks an hour or two to praise Christ in a joyful manner? Other than you having to change the time of your prayers or doing it someplace else, who are they harming?
 
The sign posted by Campus Ministry.

The same Campus Ministry who authorized the praise and worship.

They are doing what they are allowed to do, what the authorities have given permission to do.

Say the Pope says “you are dispensed from fasting this Friday”, despite it being written down you have to fast.

Guess what? You don’t have to fast.

You have how many hours you can go there to pray? Can’t you allow these folks an hour or two to praise Christ in a joyful manner? Other than you having to change the time of your prayers or doing it someplace else, who are they harming?
If the Pope were to say “no liturgical dance is allowed” and then had people dancing around during his Masses, maybe that would be similar. Campus Ministry has explicitly stated not to do something, and then contradicted themselves by authorizing them to use the chapel (I’m not even sure at this point if the group was authorized by Campus Ministry).

If they are allowed to close off the chapel and sing, why can’t I close off the chapel and practice gymnastics? Maybe you just don’t appreciate various forms of worship. Why is my gymnastics any less authentic than your praise and worship?
 
Maybe you guys don’t understand what I’m trying to get at here. The chapel is not designed for vocal prayer or singing. If they want to do this Praise and Worship stuff, there are appropriate places on campus to do so. This is the sign that is posted outside the chapel:
Understand that the same people that makes the rules are allowed to change the, and make exceptions. There is nothing wrong with that. However, I still think you have a legitimate complaint. If this area is going to be used for this (again, nothing wrong with it), it should not conflict with time set aside for individual adoration.
 
I wonder if OP would object to '‘Silent Night’ being sung. It was first sung at a Midntght Christmas Eve Mass with a guiter. :)🤷
 
I wonder if OP would object to '‘Silent Night’ being sung. It was first sung at a Midntght Christmas Eve Mass with a guiter. :)🤷
If it was during Adoration, I am sure he would. I would. This situation has a a simple solution. All that is needed is proper scheduling.
 
If the Pope were to say “no liturgical dance is allowed” and then had people dancing around during his Masses, maybe that would be similar. Campus Ministry has explicitly stated not to do something, and then contradicted themselves by authorizing them to use the chapel (I’m not even sure at this point if the group was authorized by Campus Ministry).

If they are allowed to close off the chapel and sing, why can’t I close off the chapel and practice gymnastics? Maybe you just don’t appreciate various forms of worship. Why is my gymnastics any less authentic than your praise and worship?
Singing is a universal way or worship, gymnastics is not. The student services making a rule is not equal to the pope making a rule. What a ridiculous arguemnt.
 
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