Pray for Abdul Rahmen

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Ted CharlotteNC:
Our Lord and Savior Jesus,
We ask for forgiveness and mercy,
We want to come to you, but you are too holy,
Please look past our sins,
We ask that you hear our prayer:

Our brother Adbul Rahmen needs your help.
We want you to help him and give him grace.
Our lovely Blessed Virgin Mother of God, pray for him,
Our Fatherly Saint Joseph, pray for him,
Our Pope John Paul the Great, pray for him,
Our Blessed Mother Theresa, pray for him,
All the Angels and Saints, pray for him,
In the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit amen.
Perhaps your prayer worked, I just heard on the news Abdul Rahmen is to be released in the coming days.
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Ted CharlotteNC:
Our Lord and Savior Jesus,
We ask for forgiveness and mercy,
We want to come to you, but you are too holy,
Please look past our sins,
We ask that you hear our prayer:

Our brother Adbul Rahmen needs your help.
We want you to help him and give him grace.
Our lovely Blessed Virgin Mother of God, pray for him,
Our Fatherly Saint Joseph, pray for him,
Our Pope John Paul the Great, pray for him,
Our Blessed Mother Theresa, pray for him,
All the Angels and Saints, pray for him,
In the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit amen.
Amen. ❤️
 
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Mike_D30:
Perhaps your prayer worked, I just heard on the news Abdul Rahmen is to be released in the coming days.
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wow any sourse??
 
I hope this is true. And I hope that after release he is not torn into pieces by compassionate, tolerant, and moderate muslims.
 
Father God, in the words of Your Son, forgive them for they know not what they do. Almighty God, we pray for the release of Mr Abdul Rahman, if it is in your Divine Will. If you decide to make him a martyr for His faith and for Christianity, bring Him home to You. Amen.

Our Father who Art in Heaven, hallowed be Thy name, Thy kingdom come, Thy Will be done, on Earth as it is in Heaven. Give us this day our daily bread and forgive us our trespasses as we forgive those who trespass against us. Amen.

Hail Mary, full of Grace, the Lord is with thee, blessed art thou amongst women and blessed is the fruit of your womb, Jesus. Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners now and at the hour of our death. Amen.
 
Ted CharlotteNC:
Our Lord and Savior Jesus,
We ask for forgiveness and mercy,
We want to come to you, but you are too holy,
Please look past our sins,
We ask that you hear our prayer:

Our brother Adbul Rahmen needs your help.
We want you to help him and give him grace.
Our lovely Blessed Virgin Mother of God, pray for him,
Our Fatherly Saint Joseph, pray for him,
Our Pope John Paul the Great, pray for him,
Our Blessed Mother Theresa, pray for him,
All the Angels and Saints, pray for him,
In the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit amen.
Amen
 
The Prophet Muhammad has said several times that those who convert from Islam should be killed if they refuse to come back,” says Ansarullah Mawlafizada, the trial judge.

Islam is a religion of peace, tolerance, kindness and integrity. That is why we have told him if he regrets what he did, then we will forgive him,” he told the BBC News website."

news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/4841334.stm

“Islam is a religion of peace, tolerance, kindness and integrity” yet it commands that people who convert to Christianity must be killed just for converting to Christianity
 
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discipleofJesus:
“Islam is a religion of peace, tolerance, kindness and integrity” yet it commands that people who convert to Christianity must be killed just for converting to Christianity
Dear discipleofJesus:

I think you are going too faaar.

**
- At the present, is Afghanistan under an ideal Islamic Caliphate System

or
  • under the protection of Chrisrtian Western Coalition forces with their puppet dictator Hamid Karzai ?
How independent are the “shariah” courts and law of Afghanistan now?**

When “rigid” Taliban who were more tribal and less Muslims, faced same situation, did they order to kill ‘apostates’ ?

And the media is also telling that this very man who is now in custody used to oppose Taliban way of governing and criticise the “shariah laws” enforced by the Taliban, but they did not punish him.

CNN is also telling this that:

“[Abdul] Rahman is believed to have lived in Germany for nine years after converting to Christianity while working as a medical aid worker for an international Christian group helping Afghan refugees in Pakistan. He returned to Kabul in 2002.”

It is possible that this “apostate” came to Afghanistan to create a problem politically in Afghan free culture, which is now under Western Coalition. Even then from Islamic point of view he is not guilty and cannot be persecuted.

The only apostacy which causes fitnah (tumult and mischief) in a peacefull Islamic environment where God’s laws are fully effective, is punishable but only after a court inquiry so that he/she should not be punished unjustly. Otherwise people can believe whatever they like. Afterall belief is not something that can be recognised from people’s faces. It is an internal spiritual matter between God and man. People can say something and believe something else. Thus Islamic law of punishment for apostacy is meant for only those who first enter/embrace Islam then reject and then rebel and try to attack Islam/muslims to cause fintah in collective life then it is taken as treason against the Islamic state.

Do you know what happened to David Koresh?

Unfortunatley there is no Islamic country at the present. But there are Muslim countries where only partial shari’ah laws are applied.They are more tribal, cultural than Islamic, for various reasons.

West is a big hurdle which does not not allow any Muslim state to demonstrate a pure Isalmic Caliphate system. Christian West Okays only dictatorships in Muslims countries. Everyone knows this fact. As such any descision made by the courts of these so-called Muslim states are not Islamic because Islam and Muslim are TWO DIFFERENT terms.
A pure Islamic System based on theo-democratic Caliphate brings peace and tranquilty in which not every apostate is punishable by death.

Any law that is passed in Italian parliament cannot be taken as Vatican’s law despite Vatican is in the Italy. Because Italy’s government and it’s laws are not vaticanised. In the same fashion Afghanistan is not an ideal Islamic state. It is under the strong influence of Western coalition forces which is not allowing Afghanistan’s muslim majority to have an ideal Islamic government.

What is happening now has…​

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Dear discipleofJesus:

What is happening now has more to do with people’s emotions because what happened in Abu Ghuraib jail and in Iraq where more than 100,000 innocent Muslim men. Muslim women and Muslim babies and Muslim children have** already died ** and how Daisy Cutter and cluster BOMBS were dropped by the Christian West on the innocent Muslim villagers of Afghanstan for no valid reason that caused deaths of countless innocent Muslim babies, Muslim men and Muslim women who had nothing to do with what happened in America’s tragedy.

Not to mention how many innocent Christian soldiers of coaltion forces died because they were forced to go to war against their will. Cindy Sheehan is now exposing what Christian America is actually doing in her name. Michael Moore has already made a famous film which exposes what in fact is going on in the name of justice and peace.

Don’t fool yourself. All this is happening to divert peoples’ attention from real problem. Christian Adolf Hitler killed 6 million Jews simply because they were Jews because they in his eyes were killers of his Messiah 2000 years ago, for which no Christian has any solid undeniable proof yet. All they have is conjecture.

But Holy Papacy too has already killed millions of Jews when she was in power in West’s Dark Ages and ruling religiously under the DIRECT GUIDANCE OF her version of HOLY GHOST beause all denominations have different versions of HOLY GHOST/SPIRIT who is inspiring different contradictory things to all of her “peacefull” Christians. No two sects of Christiandom are alike. Not to mention what KKK did in the past who also were under the guidance of their version of Holy Ghost.

Little wonder after 2000 years eventually Papacy had to apologise for crimes committed by her own past INFALLIBLE PAPACY. But it was too late. Millions of Choosen people of God- Jews- have already died because they were only given choice of either embrace Christianity or die or leave homes and take refuge in non-Christian lands.

So these choosen people of God were got killed and those who left Christian lands were given shelter in Arab/Muslims ruled lands because Jews were welcomed by the Arabs as their cousins by being children of Abraham’s second son Isaac, when Arabs are progeny of Abraham’s first son-Ishmael.

Dear Mike, don’t make fool out of yourself by negelcting the context and political situatiuon in Afghanistan and other Muslim world, where Muslims are victimised by the Christian Western policies.​

 
freedomm,

Sahih Bukhari
Volume 9, Book 84, Number 58:
“Narrated Abu Burda:
Abu Musa said… Behold: There was a fettered man beside Abu Muisa. Mu’adh asked, “Who is this (man)?” Abu Muisa said, “He was a Jew and became a Muslim and then reverted back to Judaism.” Then Abu Muisa requested Mu’adh to sit down but Mu’adh said, "I will not sit down till he has been killed. This is the judgment of Allah and His Apostle (for such cases) and repeated it thrice. Then Abu Musa ordered that the man be killed, and he was killed. Abu Musa added, "Then we discussed the night prayers…”

Sahih Bukhari
Volume 9, Book 84, Number 57:
“Narrated 'Ikrima:
Some Zanadiqa (atheists) were brought to 'Ali and he burnt them. The news of this event, reached Ibn ‘Abbas who said, "If I had been in his place, I would not have burnt them, as Allah’s Apostle forbade it, saying, ‘Do not punish anybody with Allah’s punishment (fire).’ I would have killed them according to the statement of Allah’s Apostle, 'Whoever changed his Islamic religion, then kill him.’”

Sahih Bukhari
Volume 9, Book 84, Number 64:
“Narrated 'Ali:
Whenever I tell you a narration from Allah’s Apostle, by Allah, I would rather fall down from the sky than ascribe a false statement to him, but if I tell you something between me and you (not a Hadith) then it was indeed a trick (i.e., I may say things just to cheat my enemy). No doubt I heard Allah’s Apostle saying, "During the last days there will appear some young foolish people who will say the best words but their faith will not go beyond their throats (i.e. they will have no faith) and will go out from (leave) their religion as an arrow goes out of the game. So, where-ever you find them, kill them, for who-ever kills them shall have reward on the Day of Resurrection."

Islam commands death for anyone who leaves Islam.

Islam is NOT “a religion of peace, tolerance, kindness and integrity” otherwise it wouldn’t have commanded death for anyone who leaves Islam.

If you can’t see that, you have got problems.
 
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discipleofJesus:
Islam commands death for anyone who leaves Islam.
Dear discipleofJesus:

First, not every Hadith is a Hadith which begins with the words “Narrated by so and so…”

All Hadith which are narrations meant to be checked/scrutinised for their authenticity and the context in order not to attribute any falsehood to Prophet Muhammed (PBUH).

There is a whole science called ** 'ilumul-Hadith.**

Then what happened during and right after the days of Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) has to be seen within the whole historical context of that period.

In some narrations not whole situation of the incidents is mentioned. When you look everytihng within the whole various contexts, you will never find any fault in Islam.

Not all apostates were ordered or kill. Not all apostates are equal in crime. Just like not all thieves are alike and not every thief’s hand is supposed to be cut.

An apostate whose crime falls into the category of Treason against the state, is punishable but only after the due process.

Thus each case has a different background of which you have no knowledge.

Do you know what happened to David Koresh few years back in America?

Now ponder on this example:

Example of war between America and Vietnam:

We know that America was once at war with Vietnam. Suppose the President of America or the General of the American Army told the American soldiers during the war: “Wherever you find the Vietnamese, kill them”. Today if I say that the American President said, “Wherever you find Vietnamese, kill them” without giving the context, I will make him sound like a butcher. But if I quote him in context, that he said it during a war, it will sound very logical, as he was trying to boost the morale of the American soldiers during the war.​
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freedomm:
Dear discipleofJesus:

I think you are going too faaar.

- At the present, is Afghanistan under an ideal Islamic Caliphate System

or

- under the protection of Chrisrtian Western Coalition forces with their puppet dictator Hamid Karzai ?

How independent are the “shariah” courts and law of Afghanistan now?​


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When “rigid” Taliban who were more tribal and less Muslims, faced same situation, did they order to kill ‘apostates’ ?

And the media is also telling that this very man who is now in custody used to oppose Taliban way of governing and criticise the “shariah laws” enforced by the Taliban, but they did not punish him.

CNN is also telling this that:

“[Abdul] Rahman is believed to have lived in Germany for nine years after converting to Christianity while working as a medical aid worker for an international Christian group helping Afghan refugees in Pakistan. He returned to Kabul in 2002.”

It is possible that this “apostate” came to Afghanistan to create a problem politically in Afghan free culture, which is now under Western Coalition. Even then from Islamic point of view he is not guilty and cannot be persecuted.

The only apostacy which causes fitnah (tumult and mischief) in a peacefull Islamic environment where God’s laws are fully effective, is punishable but only after a court inquiry so that he/she should not be punished unjustly. Otherwise people can believe whatever they like. Afterall belief is not something that can be recognised from people’s faces. It is an internal spiritual matter between God and man. People can say something and believe something else. Thus Islamic law of punishment for apostacy is meant for only those who first enter/embrace Islam then reject and then rebel and try to attack Islam/muslims to cause fintah in collective life then it is taken as treason against the Islamic state.

Do you know what happened to David Koresh?

Unfortunatley there is no Islamic country at the present. But there are Muslim countries where only partial shari’ah laws are applied.They are more tribal, cultural than Islamic, for various reasons.

West is a big hurdle which does not not allow any Muslim state to demonstrate a pure Isalmic Caliphate system. Christian West Okays only dictatorships in Muslims countries. Everyone knows this fact. As such any descision made by the courts of these so-called Muslim states are not Islamic because Islam and Muslim are TWO DIFFERENT terms.
A pure Islamic System based on theo-democratic Caliphate brings peace and tranquilty in which not every apostate is punishable by death.

Any law that is passed in Italian parliament cannot be taken as Vatican’s law despite Vatican is in the Italy. Because Italy’s government and it’s laws are not vaticanised. In the same fashion Afghanistan is not an ideal Islamic state. It is under the strong influence of Western coalition forces which is not allowing Afghanistan’s muslim majority to have an ideal Islamic government.

What is happening now has…


cont…
freedomm,

Does your “prophet” command you to kill people who apostasize from Islam by either converting to Christianity or Judaism? This is a yes or no question. Do you agree with the actions of the Muslims in Afghanistan? If not, will you just pray for the release of this innocent man? I find it pretty insulting that you would accuse a man who has been a Christian for years and now all of a sudden being tried in Afghanistan for so-called “apostacy”. If you believe this is an injustice, do not pray for his reversion back to Islam but pray for his release as a Christian. Also, quit centering your posts and quit intentionally making them so long just to get attention, it is really really hard to follow along.

God bless!
 
Semper Fi:
Father God, in the words of Your Son, forgive them for they know not what they do. Almighty God, we pray for the release of Mr Abdul Rahman, if it is in your Divine Will. If you decide to make him a martyr for His faith and for Christianity, bring Him home to You. Amen.

Our Father who Art in Heaven, hallowed be Thy name, Thy kingdom come, Thy Will be done, on Earth as it is in Heaven. Give us this day our daily bread and forgive us our trespasses as we forgive those who trespass against us. Amen.

Hail Mary, full of Grace, the Lord is with thee, blessed art thou amongst women and blessed is the fruit of your womb, Jesus. Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners now and at the hour of our death. Amen.
:amen: :amen:
 
Semper Fi:
If you believe this is an injustice, do not pray for his reversion back to Islam but pray for his release as a Christian.
Dear Semper Fi:

Did you pray for all those Iraqis of Abu Ghuraib jail when they were under Christian civilised Lady England and her Chrisitain civilised partners?

Do you pray for the Gitmo Muslim prisoners who are still held without any proof or case of their “crimes”.

Did you pray for more than 100,000 innocent Iraqi Muslim babies, children, men and women who are already dead by the most sophisticated bombs such as Daisy Cutter when dropped blindly on them by the Christian Western Civilised coalition forces, thousands of feet above the ground?

Did you pray for those thousands of innocent Afghan villagers who died due to the cluster bombs dropped blindly by your Christian civilised coalition forces on them. What crime these innocent Afghanis committed who had nothing to do with what happened in America?
 
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freedomm:
Dear Semper Fi:

Did you pray for all those Iraqis of Abu Ghuraib jail when they were under Christian civilised Lady England and her Chrisitain civilised partners?

Do you pray for the Gitmo Muslim prisoners who are still held without any proof or case of their “crimes”.

Did you pray for more than 100,000 innocent Iraqi Muslim babies, children, men and women who are already dead by the most sophisticated bombs such as Daisy Cutter when dropped blindly on them by the Christian Western Civilised coalition forces, thousands of feet above the ground?

Did you pray for those thousands of innocent Afghan villagers who died due to the cluster bombs dropped blindly by your Christian civilised coalition forces on them. What crime these innocent Afghanis committed who had nothing to do with what happened in America?
freedomm, of course I have prayed for those people - no-one innocent deserves to have anything bad happen to them. Why would you suggest that we wouldn’t? We’re not completely bigoted and heartless you know.
 
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LilyM:
freedomm, of course I have prayed for those people - no-one innocent deserves to have anything bad happen to them. Why would you suggest that we wouldn’t? We’re not completely bigoted and heartless you know.
Is there any thread or threads created to Pray for Them before and after their deaths, also?

 
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freedomm:
Dear Semper Fi:

Did you pray for all those Iraqis of Abu Ghuraib jail when they were under Christian civilised Lady England and her Chrisitain civilised partners?

Do you pray for the Gitmo Muslim prisoners who are still held without any proof or case of their “crimes”.

Did you pray for more than 100,000 innocent Iraqi Muslim babies, children, men and women who are already dead by the most sophisticated bombs such as Daisy Cutter when dropped blindly on them by the Christian Western Civilised coalition forces, thousands of feet above the ground?

Did you pray for those thousands of innocent Afghan villagers who died due to the cluster bombs dropped blindly by your Christian civilised coalition forces on them. What crime these innocent Afghanis committed who had nothing to do with what happened in America?
I knew you could not just do the human thing and pray for this man. You had to answer my simple request for prayers for this man with more rhetoric.

God bless!
 
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freedomm:
Is there any thread or threads created to Pray for Them before and after their deaths, also?

If we set up threads to pray for everyone who needs it then we’d never be writing about anything else! The reason cestus put this one up is that not that many people noticed the news story about Abdul Rahman. Everyone on the planet has heard about Abu Ghraib and the war in Iraq many many times already.
 
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