Pray for Abdul Rahmen

[cestusdei]

Let’s see Muslims are going to chop off Abdul’s head. I say this is wrong and I’m the basher? Anyone else see a problem here? It is your side that is going to behead him.

I may argue with you, BUT I won’t chop your head off. Nor will I chop the head off of anyone who converts to Islam. We have freedom of religion. I highly recommend it to you.

 

[JSmitty2005]

cestusdei:

We have freedom of religion. I highly recommend it to you.

Do you truly understand the Catholic stance on religious liberty? If you’re not sure, go here and read it in it’s entirety (it only gets good at the end, but you have to read all of it to understand).

 

[murtad]

pro_universal:

Here’s an alternative: Faith that Jesus’s command to be peaceful is the truth, so we should adhere to it no matter what.

You are misinterpreting Bible verses. Peace does not mean absense of war but peace means obeying the Emperor as long as he is pro-Christian and not anti-Christian. That is what Lord Jesus meant by “Give unto the Emperor” for Emperor is Pharoah and Rome is Egypt. Only when Emperor gives us freedom to leave Egypt, we may leave. St. Constantine the Great changed the Romans from Egypt to Israel and restored to the Kingdom to Israel, ending rule of Egypt.

If you think politics and religion should not be one, let me ask why did Christians obey the decrees of the Ecumenical Council of Nicea? Because we give unto the Emperor, more so if the Emperor is a Christian.

pro_universal:

Last I checked, Reagan wasn’t Jesus and “we need to beat them!” isn’t a valid basis for Christian thought.

You checked from where? From Marxist and Islamist sources? Of course, the Emperor (ie. American President) has the right to use the sword against communists and muslims alike who engage in terrorism. As Christians in the American army, we have to submit to the command given by the Emperor to kill the evil-doer.

pro_universal:

Your continued whining about how there’s no alternative to nuclear weapons threats (a fact I dispute anyway) does not change the fact that, whether it’s the only method or not to win the “war on terror”, it’s forbidden by Jesus.

So you say. Yet you have got to prove that it is forbidden by Lord Jesus. I am surprised you say Jesus, not Lord Jesus. I suspect you are a un-observant Catholic influenced by Arian, Nestorian and Monophysite beliefs. Therefore, you are hardly Catholic, in fact not Catholic.

pro_universal:

If the choice is between dying or violating a sacred command of the Bible (thou shalt not kill), as a Priest, what do you advise your Parishioners to choose?

Let me ask you why those Monophysites in Egypt (which was within the Roman Empire) did not choose to die by the sword of Caesar? Why did they choose life over death? They loved to live that they betrayed the ruler of Egypt who was His Holiness Cyrus, Greek Patriarch of Alexandria (the Eastern Roman Catholic Patriarch) who used the sword to behead heretics. Why did they aid the Islamic invaders to conquer Egypt, rather the choose death by the Byzantine sword?

Pro_Universal, I see you do not even know the Bible when you mistranslate the verse “thou shalt not kill”. Its not “kill” but correctly “murder”. Even the CCC says death penalty is lawful as long as it is carried out by an Emperor and used as a last resort. Therefore, such killing is not murder in the eyes of Cathecism of Catholic Church and Bible.

To answer your question, I will choose to violate what you call “sacred command of the Bible” because we Christians are not Bible-only, in fact, we accept three sources of law: Bible, CCC and the 2,000 year old Traditions of the Church.

You may wish to go to a Protestant forum and tell them “thou shalt not kill”. Even they will laugh at you telling you that you are using a mis-translation of the Bible: its not “kill” but “murder”.

 

[cestusdei]

JS,
I assure you I am familiar with the Vatican II Decree On Religious Liberty.

 

[JSmitty2005]

cestusdei:

JS,
I assure you I am familiar with the Vatican II Decree On Religious Liberty.

Sorry about that. I didn’t realize you were a priest. I was just all excited about that thread because Dave convinced me that the Church didn’t change it’s teaching on Religious Liberty at Vatican II.

 

[cestusdei]

Keep praying for Abdul. The muslims are feeling the pressure. Maybe we can save him. Think of how many of our Christian brothers and sisters suffer under Islamic misrule. Pray for them.

 

[GregoryPalamas]

Shadowcry:

Thats the government not Islam.

Under Sharia there is no difference and you know it.

CDL

 

[Shadowcry]

GregoryPalamas:

Under Sharia there is no difference and you know it.

CDL

Two Things:

Define Sharia law from several Muslim scholars from several points of view and backgrounds.

Second see which nation fits that.

 

[cestusdei]

The latest news is that local Islamic leaders have said that their government must kill Abdul. If it refuses they say they will “behead him” or “tear him into pieces”. Ah Islam, the religion of “PIECES”.

 

[murtad]

pro_universal:

What!? Can you find one of these official Church sources that denies it’s a Koran?

The best source is to ask the late John Paul II whether the book he kissed was the Islamist Quran or Christian Quran.

I met John Paul II in a vision and he spoke to me and he even prayed to our Lord Jesus for me. He told me the Quran he kissed was indeed a Christian Quran and many Muslims were like me, they were Trinitarian Muslims who confessed the Nicene Creed.

I feel honored to have a man like the late John Paul II visit me in a vision. His words are the best evidence denying he kissed an Islamist Quran.

pro_universal:

With all due respect, I can’t believe anyone is challenging the photo and the story…if this were false, do you think the Pope might have said something about it at some point in time?

As the late Pope John Paul II told me in a vision he never kissed the Islamist Quran, so why should I believe your lies?

 

[Semper_Fi_1]

Muslim:

i quoted stuff from the Qu’ran… Qu’ran = final word… no matter what anyone says and islamonline is a wahabi site just like islamqa.com. these people are nuts and have the weirdest and harshest interpretation of the Qu’ran and they add their own stuff to it.

Ah, but you can’t quote from the Qur’an because the Qur’an is only in Arabic… the translation of the Qur’an is only the words of some interpreter… as such in order to really know what Islam teaches you must learn Arabic.

 

[Semper_Fi_1]

freedomm:

Dear cestusdeio you think people really care what an individual Catholic, like you, believe and do, as opposed to what Catholic Church’s “infallible” Pope did?

Are you an offical rep. of ex-Pope?

The Pope is only infallible in the matters of faith and morals. He is not impeccable. He confessed his sins just like any faithful Catholic would. It is really the office of the Papacy which is infallible, not the man in and of himself, and then it is only during certain circumstances. He’s infallible in the matter of faith and morals and only when acting as the head of all Christians.

 

[freedomm]

cestusdei:

The latest news is that local Islamic leaders have said that their government must kill Abdul. If it refuses they say they will “behead him” or “tear him into pieces”. Ah Islam, the religion of “PIECES”.

Dear estusdei

What some leaders are telling now in Afghanistan to their government is because of Christian Western Coalition support to their puppet dictator Hamid Karzai.

At the present in Afghanistan there is no Islamic law. If there was Islamic law then after Taliban, people of Afghanistan would not have started again growing poppy seeds to produce heroin drugs and indulge in other un-Islamic acts.

Taliban though they were more Tribal and less Islamic, were able to stop people manufacturing heroin drugs. And they did not punish this same man (abdul) when he used to oppose Taliban and Shari’ah laws.

What is happening now is clearly politically motivated and it has also to do with what happened in Abu Ghuraib Jail in Iraq and deaths of more than 100,000 innocent Muslim babies, Muslim children, Muslim men and Muslim women due to Christain Daisy Cutter Bombs and Christian Cluster Bombs dropped by the Christian Western Coalition forces on the innocent Afghan villagers which resulted deaths of countless innocent Muslim babies, Muslim children, Muslim men and Muslim women. Not to mention how many were injured and became handicapped for the rest of their lives.

Do you know what happened to David Koresh in America?

One person’s apostacy is not going to cause any harm to Islam nor the TWO billion Muslims around the globe. There are so many people in the West who are coming towards Islam thus making Islam - the fastest growing religion in the world.

Two Ambassadors of Italy embraced Islam in recent years.

Apostacy of Abdul is clearly a political drama and probably that man is backed up by some enemies of Islam agenda to defame Islam by sparking the Tribal-ism of Afghanistan and emotions of Afghanis, which has nothing to do with Islam.

Islam and Muslim are two different things.

 

[freedomm]

Semper Fi:

The Pope is only infallible in the matters of faith and morals. He is not impeccable. He confessed his sins just like any faithful Catholic would. It is really the office of the Papacy which is infallible, not the man in and of himself, and then it is only during certain circumstances. He’s infallible in the matter of faith and morals and only when acting as the head of all Christians.

Dear Semper Fi:

• So before elected as Pope he was a sinner on all counts?
  What makes the office of Papacy, infallible?
• Are there certain times when Pope is not infallible and certain specific times when he is infallible?
• How would you know, from what time to what time his infallibility begins and ends, during his day time working in the office of Papacy?
• Does he also have specific timings when he excercise his infallible morality? Or his faith and morals are infallible only when he is working in the Papacy office, say from 9am to 5pm?

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[Booklover]

freedomm:

Dear estusdei

What some leaders are telling now in Afghanistan to their government is because of Christian Western Coalition support to their puppet dictator Hamid Karzai.

At the present in Afghanistan there is no Islamic law. If there was Islamic law then after Taliban, people of Afghanistan would not have started again growing poppy seeds to produce heroin drugs and indulge in other un-Islamic acts.

Taliban though they were more Tribal and less Islamic, were able to stop people manufacturing heroin drugs. And they did not punish this same man (abdul) when he used to oppose Taliban and Shari’ah laws.

What is happening now is clearly politically motivated and it has also to do with what happened in Abu Ghuraib Jail in Iraq and deaths of more than 100,000 innocent Muslim babies, Muslim children, Muslim men and Muslim women due to Christain Daisy Cutter Bombs and Christian Cluster Bombs dropped by the Christian Western Coalition forces on the innocent Afghan villagers which resulted deaths of countless innocent Muslim babies, Muslim children, Muslim men and Muslim women. Not to mention how many were injured and became handicapped for the rest of their lives.

Do you know what happened to David Koresh in America?

One person’s apostacy is not going to cause any harm to Islam nor the TWO billion Muslims around the globe. There are so many people in the West who are coming towards Islam thus making Islam - the fastest growing religion in the world.

Two Ambassadors of Italy embraced Islam in recent years.

Apostacy of Abdul is clearly a political drama and probably that man is backed up by some enemies of Islam agenda to defame Islam by sparking the Tribal-ism of Afghanistan and emotions of Afghanis, which has nothing to do with Islam.

Islam and Muslim are two different things.

Do you support the killing of that unfortunate man? Your views are callous and disgusting. It’s about time that the world wake up and see Islam as it really is, truly evil!

 

[Reuben_J]

freedomm:

Kissing anything does not necessarily mean worshipping. Kissing could be a symbol of respect or love or a certain tradition that has nothing to do with the act of worshipping.

Some people in the East kiss hands of their elders; does this necessarily mean they worship their elders?

Some people kiss a stone, that looks like a stone and tastes like a stone
**all the time ** …



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[Reuben_J]

murtad:

I feel honored to have a man like the late John Paul II visit me in a vision. His words are the best evidence denying he kissed an Islamist Quran.

As the late Pope John Paul II told me in a vision he never kissed the Islamist Quran, so why should I believe your lies?

And who can deny the truth of this man’ revelation?



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[JimG]

The fact remains that a man is under threat of beheading simply for following his conscience and changing his religion. Such a thing would not happen in the U.S., Britain, Ireland, or other countries. It goes against the U.N. declaration on human rights, which I thought Afghanistan had adopted.

 

[ronald]

I don’t know why in the past or now there are Christians forcing another to embrace their religion. Jesus doesn’t tell His followers to do that. But i know why there were/are muslims forcing others to embrace their religion now, because syariah tells them to do it. Thanks God i have Jesus Who tells me to love. God bless you all

NO ONE CAN COME TO FATHER EXCEPT THROUGH JESUS

 

[Ted_CharlotteNC]

Our Lord and Savior Jesus,
We ask for forgiveness and mercy,
We want to come to you, but you are too holy,
Please look past our sins,
We ask that you hear our prayer:

Our brother Adbul Rahmen needs your help.
We want you to help him and give him grace.
Our lovely Blessed Virgin Mother of God, pray for him,
Our Fatherly Saint Joseph, pray for him,
Our Pope John Paul the Great, pray for him,
Our Blessed Mother Theresa, pray for him,
All the Angels and Saints, pray for him,
In the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit amen.