Thats hardly an explanation. So basically, we are to have “the mind of Rome” yet we dont know what it is, is that it? Again, the preoccupation with language and words in terms of validity(pleasing to God, I asume), borders on superstition. The use of many languages was in the Church since the earliest times, when people met in homes. So what really is the issue?
First of all - No, it doesn’t matter what the people want. Holy Mother Church is not a democracy.
Finally, I was just making a joke. Let’s move this to one of a billion Latin threads if you wish to discuss it further.
I was actually referring to the several posts where people were being critical of the prayer because it wasn’t in Latin. BTW, I did not quote your post.
When one keeps hearing these excuses in not learning Latin, he can’t help but notice that education really has taken a turn for the worse. In my time, there was no excuse in not learning Latin. In fact, the public schools and universities were still teaching it, realizing the wealth of the vast knowledge base behind the language.
The only Latin I really know is for medical terms and names of plants (my hobby is gardening). At our church, there is never any Latin, except the very rare Latin hymn sung by a woman at daily Mass. It’s sad, really.When one keeps hearing these excuses in not learning Latin, he can’t help but notice that education really has taken a turn for the worse. In my time, there was no excuse in not learning Latin. In fact, the public schools and universities were still teaching it, realizing the wealth of the vast knowledge base behind the language.
What’s important now? Learning to make millions of dollars now, only to lose it later?
Thank God for the internet to help revive Latin.
No, no, she isn’t. She does, however, take account of the sheep she shepherds. I would wager that the sense of the faithful would be that they’d rather have the Mass in their own language.
JKIRK, I am surprised at you. You seem to be saying that traditionalists are smug and arrogant. I’m sure you don’t really mean it that way, though.
Allow me to clarify: a vast number of “traditionalists” who post on these fora are smug and arrogant, but not all of them. It goes to what was being addressed in another thread, but which no “traditionalist” posting there could be persuaded of: the TLM’s worst enemies are the “traditionalists” who advocate for the TLM.
Well, you see it works both ways. There are actually plenty of Novus Ordo Catholics here who fit that same description. I have them all on ignore so I don’t have to deal with them. Works really well.
reminds me I got umm somthing I need to do today…Who? Who dumps on the TLM? Who dumps on Latin? I know lots of people who DEFEND the vernacular against those who want to get rid of it, I know lots of people who DEFEND the Pauline Rite when it gets dumped on, but I have NEVER read anything that dumps on the TLM specifically (again, a dense of the Pauline isn’t dumping on the TLM) or Latin (a defense of the vernacular isn’t dumping on Latin, for those who want it). Feel free to PM me, I’m curious as to who these people are.
I’m going to pray “Thy Will be done.”So has anyone had any luck getting people to start praying this?
How many here are saying it…
Ummm
See, that was me, until I became more and more fed up with the smug arrogance of some (read:most) of the “traditionalists.” You can even ask the “traditionalists.” If they’re truthful, they confirm that.
You know I’ve yet to see ONE smug OR arrogant traditionalist…
Reminds me of the George Carlin line about whether God can create a rock so heavy He Himself can’t lift it? Gotcha there, Father.
JKIRK, I am not going to say who they are, but believe me, it is prevalent here. And this is the TC forum, where we should be allowed to discuss our love for the TLM without being beat up for it from NO Catholics who disagree with the universal indult.
Oh, I disagree. The Novus Ordo Mass is here to stay, and there is plenty of room for the TLM, the NO in the vernacular, and also the Latin NO.
You have 50+ posts. Read back through the threads. Do a search. If you like, I can provide you with numerous links. Let me know.
Now, ParamedicGirl, I would challenge you to do the same as I suggested to Cyberwolf. Go back and search the threads. As with him, if you’re having trouble finding TLMers attacking the NO, I can give you numerous sources (why, one poster on this VERY THREAD rather famously refered to the Pauline Rite of the Holy Sacrifice as the “Bogus Ordo”). And IF you come across the NOers attacking the TLMers (for their LOVE of the TLM or the TLM itself, NOT attacking bad or misleading information), then I would be glad to read it. I’ll be listening to the crickets chirp till you get back to me.