Prayer for the Universal Indult

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JKirkLVNV said:
Then I would gently suggest that you go back and read JW10631’s post.
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Do you mean this post?
The Mass in Latin was and is the highest form of worship in the Western Church.
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Over nearly two thousand years, prayers, hymns, Gregorian and Polyphonic chant were developed - by people who spoke several languages - all to instill a sense of beauty and awe in worship of Our Lord.
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People who do not “want a return of Latin” have no idea how much Latin they use in everyday English. Of course, they are unaware of history - the Norman invasion of England in 1066 had the consequence of doubling in size the English vocabulary.
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I think that, in the entire world, there are few people who complain about hearing or using a non-English language more than Americans.
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He’s expressing his own opinion and is not the author of this thread. And I don’t see any smugness or arrogance there either. Just one person expressing an opinion they have, much like what everyone else here is doing.
 
paramedicgirl said:
Do you mean this post?

He’s expressing his own opinion and is not the author of this thread. And I don’t see any smugness or arrogance there either. Just one person expressing an opinion they have, much like what everyone else here is doing.
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Really?

I’d say that “People have no idea” and “of course, they are unaware of history” MIGHT be construed as slightly smug and/or condescending. It’s quite possible that they DO have an idea and they ARE aware of history, but still like the idea of the vernacular Mass.
 
JKirkLVNV said:
Really?

I’d say that “People have no idea” and “of course, they are unaware of history” MIGHT be construed as slightly smug and/or condescending. It’s quite possible that they DO have an idea and they ARE aware of history, but still like the idea of the vernacular Mass.
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Only a very sensitive person would pick up on that and be offended by it. You have to give people some benefit of the doubt. It’s probably just the way he talks. Not everyone is an English major, ya know.

When you said this in another thread, it could be construed in the same way as being smug and arrogant, you know.
JKirkLVNV said:
Yup, that’s correct, but “traditionalists” tend to gloss over that fact.
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paramedicgirl said:
Only a very sensitive person would pick up on that and be offended by it. You have to give people some benefit of the doubt. It’s probably just the way he talks. Not everyone is an English major, ya know.
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No, but I’m giving him all sorts of the benefit of the doubt, since he’s obviously well-read enough to talk about Latin’s contribution to English and the Norman Conquest.

Here, I’ll admit this: this wasn’t the very best example to defend my assertion. People can look at the threads I’ve posted (and will be posting) for better examples of what I mean.
 
JKirkLVNV said:
No, but I’m giving him all sorts of the benefit of the doubt, since he’s obviously well-read enough to talk about Latin’s contribution to English and the Norman Conquest.

Here, I’ll admit this: this wasn’t the very best example to defend my assertion. People can look at the threads I’ve posted (and will be posting) for better examples of what I mean.
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I edited my post after you made this reply.
 
JKirkLVNV said:
No, but I’m giving him all sorts of the benefit of the doubt, since he’s obviously well-read enough to talk about Latin’s contribution to English and the Norman Conquest.

Here, I’ll admit this: this wasn’t the very best example to defend my assertion. People can look at the threads I’ve posted (and will be posting) for better examples of what I mean.
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Honestly I think you did this just to derail the whole discussion…

In this link you gave I’ve yet to see anything smug or arogant…
 
paramedicgirl said:
When you said this in another thread, it could be construed the same way as being smug and arrogant, you know.
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I suppose that would depend on whether or not you count yourself as a traditionalist or a “traditionalist.” See the difference?

But come now, friend, I’m arguing in that thread for the very heart of the Church, her very existence, for if the “traditionalists” I’m contending with there are correct, then Christ has failed in His Promise (one is arguing that the Church CANNOT change her liturgical rites at all, the other is arguing that the Pauline Mass is invalid).
 
ENOUGH!!! :mad: :banghead:
You folks are going to get this thread shut down. I started this thread to promote prayer for the Universal Indult. Its always debating. People want this and that or think this and that. Debate, debate, refute, is that what this is all about. I should have put a disclaimer on my original post. Why is this thread 3 pages of mostly debating?
So now, before the moderator will try to shut down the thread, I ask that this thread be only for those who intend to help pray for the Universal Indult or to share their thoughts about the prayer. This is not a thread of debate of NO vs TLM or Latin vs Vernacular prayer etc… A little sidetracking is okay but this has gone far enough. If you must debate I respectfully ask that you start another thread.
Thank You
 
Back on track - Here is what this thread is about:

Prayer to the Blessed Mother for the Universal Indult

O Blessed Virgin Mary, Mother of the Church and Mother of the Eucharist, we humbly seek thy intercession. O heavenly Mother, for so long now, many in the Church have long desired for a return to the Traditional Latin Mass. Many have sought a universal indult while others have sought out its complete restoration to the Church. Most tender and compassionate mother look upon thy children in this time of expectation. For so long now dear Lady many have expected that thy Son’s Vicar on earth would issue a Motu Proprio for the Traditional Mass. Dearest Mother by thy powerful intercession that our Holy Father will issue his decree of a universal indult for the Holy Mass of St. Pius V. Grant to us as well by thy powerful intercession that this universal indult will bring about peace and unity in the Church and will help return those traditionalists which have strayed from the fold. O Mother of the Church may our prayer be granted if such is the Will of God. Amen
 
CathMass said:
ENOUGH!!! :mad: :banghead:
You folks are going to get this thread shut down. I started this thread to promote prayer for the Universal Indult. Its always debating. People want this and that or think this and that. Debate, debate, refute, is that what this is all about. I should have put a disclaimer on my original post. Why is this thread 3 pages of mostly debating?
So now, before the moderator will try to shut down the thread, I ask that this thread be only for those who intend to help pray for the Universal Indult or to share their thoughts about the prayer. This is not a thread of debate of NO vs TLM or Latin vs Vernacular prayer etc… A little sidetracking is okay but this has gone far enough. If you must debate I respectfully ask that you start another thread.
Thank You
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Done! Das Link!
 
JW10631 said:
The Mass in Latin was and is the highest form of worship in the Western Church.

Over nearly two thousand years, prayers, hymns, Gregorian and Polyphonic chant were developed - by people who spoke several languages - all to instill a sense of beauty and awe in worship of Our Lord.

People who do not “want a return of Latin” have no idea how much Latin they use in everyday English. Of course, they are unaware of history - the Norman invasion of England in 1066 had the consequence of doubling in size the English vocabulary.

I think that, in the entire world, there are few people who complain about hearing or using a non-English language more than Americans.
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What’s interesting is that the English of 1066 is nothing as it is today.
 
I think its a nice prayer. I have no understanding yet of any Latin, and for now feel its more important to focus on growing spiritually and of course getting confirmed, but I hope someday to understand Latin enough to be able to go to a TLM Mass and actually be able to understand whats going on.
 
CathMass said:
ENOUGH!!! :mad: :banghead:
You folks are going to get this thread shut down. I started this thread to promote prayer for the Universal Indult. Its always debating. People want this and that or think this and that. Debate, debate, refute, is that what this is all about. I should have put a disclaimer on my original post. Why is this thread 3 pages of mostly debating?
So now, before the moderator will try to shut down the thread, I ask that this thread be only for those who intend to help pray for the Universal Indult or to share their thoughts about the prayer. This is not a thread of debate of NO vs TLM or Latin vs Vernacular prayer etc… A little sidetracking is okay but this has gone far enough. If you must debate I respectfully ask that you start another thread.
Thank You
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Sorry. As I said, I can say, “Thy Will be done.”
 
JKirkLVNV said:
Posts #3, 19, 23.

But I can give you more examples, if you like. It will have to be latter, I’ve got to get to my godson’s.
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Someone started a new thread for the debate. This one is about praying for the Universal Indult.
 
There is the link again Kirk…

On the debate.

Would it be exceptable to pray the Rosary with this as an intention?

Does it mater if I pray a 3rd or all 15 mysteries? (Save the Luminous mysteries for another thread folks!)
 
Please note the thread is regarding prayers for the universal indult Motu Proprio. This is not another debate room.

PRAYER TO OUR BLESSED MOTHER FOR THE UNIVERSAL INDULT OF THE TRIDENTINE MASS

Blessed Virgin Mary, Mother of the Church and Mother of the Eucharist, we humbly seek thy intercession. O heavenly Mother, for so long now, many in the Church have long desired for a return to the Traditional Latin Mass. Many have sought a universal indult while others have sought out its complete restoration to the Church. Most tender and compassionate mother look upon thy children in this time of expectation. For so long now dear Lady many have expected that thy Son’s Vicar on earth would issue a Motu Proprio for the Traditional Mass. Grant dearest Mother by thy powerful intercession that our Holy Father will issue his decree of a universal indult for the Holy Mass of St. Pius V. Grant to us as well by thy powerful intercession that this universal indult will bring about peace and unity in the Church and will help return those traditionalists which have strayed from the fold. O Mother of the Church may our prayer be granted if such is the Will of God. Amen

Pray an Our Father, Hail Mary and Glory Be for the

Holy Father

PRAYER TO ST JOSEPH, PATRON OF THE **
UNIVERSAL CHURCH**

O Saint Joseph, spouse of Our Blessed Mother and patron of the Universal Church, grant through thy intercession that the Holy Father will soon issue the Motu Proprio which shall permit the universal use of the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass according to that venerable rite codified by Pope Pius V. May this Motu Proprio be a means of healing from the painful divisions which have been so evident in our church today. We make our prayer through thy powerful intercession with God and in the holy name of Jesus. Amen

Feel free to copy these prayers and pass them along
 
JW10631 said:
The Mass in Latin was and is the highest form of worship in the Western Church.

Over nearly two thousand years, prayers, hymns, Gregorian and Polyphonic chant were developed - by people who spoke several languages - all to instill a sense of beauty and awe in worship of Our Lord.

People who do not “want a return of Latin” have no idea how much Latin they use in everyday English. Of course, they are unaware of history - the Norman invasion of England in 1066 had the consequence of doubling in size the English vocabulary.

I think that, in the entire world, there are few people who complain about hearing or using a non-English language more than Americans.
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Good post and good points.

What’s interesting is that the English of 1066 is nothing as it is today. For example, here is the Lord’s Prayer:
Fæder ure þu þe eart on heofonum; Si þin nama gehalgod
to becume þin rice gewurþe ðin willa on eorðan swa swa on heofonum. urne gedæghwamlican hlaf syle us todæg
and forgyf us ure gyltas swa swa we forgyfað urum gyltendum
and ne gelæd þu us on costnunge ac alys us of yfele soþlice
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Latin has changed a little but not too many today would have too much trouble reading St. Jerome’s Latin Vulgate. That’s why I trust it more than any vernaculars.
 
Now I hope we can back on track…

We should offer rosaries, Divine MErcy Chaplets and other devotions for this intention. Let’s pray that God’s Will be done and pray that division in the Church will cease.
 
CathMass said:
Now I hope we can back on track…

We should offer rosaries, Divine MErcy Chaplets and other devotions for this intention. Let’s pray that God’s Will be done and pray that division in the Church will cease.
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Agreed from now till Easter I’m adding this to my intentions.
 
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