Praying in Latin -- NEW SITE!

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rosejmj said:
Yes I understand, but Latin is also not the only language of the Church, but only the Latin Rite one or even the most original
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So it is the language of 95+% of Catholics, yes, you are correct. The fact that less than 5% or so of Catholics in union with the Pope have traditions other than Latin, such as eastern Catholics who may pray in Greek or Church Slovonic, nevertheless, as Popes have said, they are in union with Rome and therefore can all pray in the same universal language on special occasions just as the Greek fathers at the Council of Florence chanted the full creed in Latin and as eastern Catholics do with Latin rite Catholics on special occasions such as praying the Pater Noster. It cannot be denied that a language is unifying, and how much more one that is sacred and has been in constant use as such for the Church’s entire existence.
 
Nelka said:
It would be nice to have the short act of contrition in Latin.
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There is only one official version that I am aware of that is on the site. This version is pretty concise to cover all the essentials. I have seen longer versions by Saints as well, but I prefer this one as it is the standard.

Deus meus, ex toto corde poenitet me omnium meorum peccatorum, eaque detestor, quia peccando, non solum poenas a Te iuste statutas promeritus sum, sed praesertim quia offendi Te, summum bonum, ac dignum qui super omnia diligaris. Ideo firmiter propono, adiuvante gratia Tua, de cetero me non peccaturum peccandique occasiones proximas fugiturum. Amen.

Literal translation:
Oh my God, from all my heart I am sorry for all my sins, and I detest them, not only because in sinning, I deserve the penalties that you have justly established, but especially because I have offended Thee, who art the greatest good, and worthy beyond all my love. Therefore I firmly purpose, with the help of Thy grace, from henceforth to sin no more and flee the next occasions of sinning. Amen.

From on the act-of-contrition-and-confiteor page accessible from the main prayerbook page.
 
I also like how the language is the root from which most Western languages descend from.
 
VanitasVanitatum said:
I also like how the language is the root from which most Western languages descend from.
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Except that pesky English. And German, Dutch, Icelandic, Norwegian, Finnish, Estonian, Magyar, Basque, Cornish, various Celtic languages. I’m probably missing a few. This is just what came into the top of my head.
 
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Latin is not useless or backwards.
It is a part of our past.
But this argument between those who love Latin and those who do not should cease. It is counterproductive.
We need to give praise and glory to God, who speaks all languages.
And we need to love and serve one another as Catholic brothers and sisters. 🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏
 
prayinglatin said:
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rosejmj:
Yes I understand, but Latin is also not the only language of the Church, but only the Latin Rite one or even the most original
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So it is the language of 95+% of Catholics, yes, you are correct. The fact that less than 5% or so of Catholics in union with the Pope have traditions other than Latin, such as eastern Catholics who may pray in Greek or Church Slovonic, nevertheless, as Popes have said, they are in union with Rome and therefore can all pray in the same universal language on special occasions just as the Greek fathers at the Council of Florence chanted the full creed in Latin and as eastern Catholics do with Latin rite Catholics on special occasions such as praying the Pater Noster. It cannot be denied that a language is unifying, and how much more one that is sacred and has been in constant use as such for the Church’s entire existence.
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Indeed, Eastern Rite Catholics join their Latin Rite brethren in Latin when the situation calls for it, even praying the Latin translation of the Creed, or as you call it, the “full Creed”.

Likewise, when is the situation calls for it, on special occasions, Latin Rite Catholics join their Eastern brethren in prayer in Greek, praying our universal statement of faith in the original Greek. (Does that make it an incomplete Creed? Does the Pope not pray the full Creed when he prays in Greek?)

Perhaps it is our Catholic faith that is universal and not the language.

The concept of a universal language, while useful, has limitations and broad exceptions.

The concept of a universal faith, and a universal Church that encompasses all traditions and expressions of that one faith, has no such limitations.
 
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I agree with you. I think it’s extremely useful and should be a mandatory subject in schools, whether Catholic, public or otherwise. I was simply stating what those who are opposed to Latin typically do on this forum.
 
I would not make Latin mandatory. I would leave it as it is at many schools now, an option.
I am not a proponent of Latin. I just understand that it is a part of the historical past of the Catholic Church.
And I see a divide between Catholic about the way Mass is conducted.
What I want to see is more people at Mass every week, while I would like to see less arguments among Catholics over Latin.
 
Sorry for the delay, but THANK YOU so much. I really appreciate the time, effort and thought you put into that.

I haven’t succeeded in accessing the free course, but I’ve not had the chance to look with the lap top, only my phone.
 
VanitasVanitatum said:
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babochka:
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I can find some words that have Latin roots in English. I don’t know about the others since I don’t speak them.
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There are definitely Latin words in English, but the spine of the language is Germanic. English’s main ancestor is not Latin but German. Reading old English makes this abundantly clear – if you’ve spent much time with German, you’ll notice that English word order maps directly to German word order, including in the ways that nouns and verbs move around based on the types of clauses.
 
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babochka:
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I can find some words that have Latin roots in English. I don’t know about the others since I don’t speak them.
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Of the 1,000 words most commonly used in English, just short of 50% of them have Latin roots; most of those words have come from Latin via French (Normans) and many of them have an Anglo-Saxon version in common usage (examples: drink/beverage; cry/weep; groom/brush; stone/rock; kingly/royal; ghost/spitit; stench, smell/odor). Words that have come directly from the Latin tend to be technical, academic or scientific words and this tends to be true in many languages, even non-western and non-European languages. Overall, about 29% of modern English vocabulary has Latin roots, directly or indirectly. Still, English is a Germanic language without doubt. It is just heavily “decorated” with words that have Latin roots.
 
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Partially correct. English is certainly a Germanic language, but it is not a descendant of German. It is in fact a descendant of Anglo-Saxon, which is in turn a descendant of Anglo-Frisian, which, along with modern German, Dutch, and a handful of other languages, is a descendant of Proto-West Germanic. This language, along with the Nordic languages and the extinct East Germanic family, descends from Proto-Germanic, which is of course a descendant of Proto-Indo-European. While German is a member of the West Germanic family, it is not ancestral to English.
 
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You’re most welcome. The course certainly works better on laptops and desktops than on mobile devices.
 
I think we should learn Koine Greek. The vocabulary is limited. We already know what the text says. And it will take us deeper into the New Testament and the words of Jesus.
 
Right. If nothing else it is good speech therapy. I mean, eleison and Sabaoth don’t exactly roll off the tongue. Just sayin.
 
Don’t get me wrong. I love the Greek symbols used in math and science.
 
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