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mercygate
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[SIGN]Roger that![/SIGN]
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It should be clear to anyone who has ever owned a cat that yes, they expect your worship.It occurs to me, reading this, that I serve my cat. Certainly, I feed her, change her box, I let her have (at least) half of the bed at night.Her nickname among my friends, is“Baby Boss”.
But you know, I don’t think that anyone thinks that I worship her…even if I do have :bowdown: to her in my signature…(OK;**she **probably thinks that I worship her…)
Your wish; my command:http://bestsmileys.com/puking/2.gif !!:tiphat:
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happyseppy
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jpusateri
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The Church wrote the New Testament.
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jpusateri
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I am glad you abandoned that practice. I also rely on God solely. I imitate Jesus, Mary and all the Saints who rely solely on the Father as well.
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DebChris
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We don’t want to forget that Jesus who is true man and true God has Mary’s DNA. We honor Christ when we give honor to his mother. She became our mother at the foot of the cross when Jesus said, “Behold thy mother,” to John and “Behold thy son.” This has been the Church’s teaching regarding this scene. We are all part of the family.My earthly mother is in her 70’s now, and I serve her every chance I can get. I wish I could do even more for her. If I had lived in Mary’s day, I would love to wait on her hand and foot, our of reverence for her divine son. I would even try to get her to eat my barbeque!
Thanks for sharing this very real human insight.
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DebChris
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Tradition (T) is the Word of God as given to the Apostles by Jesus. It is only after a period of time that the teachings were put into writing. Tradition comes first and from there we have the written word found in Scripture. Both are important and work together protected by the Magisterium, the teaching authority of the Church, and guided by the Holy Spirit.
St. Paul tells Timothy to remain faithful to the traditions he has learned, reminding him that he has been steeped in scripture since infancy.
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jpusateri
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I quite agree. And the Church did write the New Testament.
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YADA
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The word ‘story’ does not come with baggage…a biography is the ‘story or a real person’s life’ The New Testament is the ‘story’ of a people of faith as revealed by God…the Hebrew texts are the ‘stories’ of the jewish people adn their faith as revealed by God…
Misslollypops, you would do better to honestly answer questions posed to you [as I have several ties requested your response to the story of Lazarus and the Rich Man] and then to share your perspective than searching for “WORDS” in a post that you can pounce upon…
This reminds me of your sarcastic response about how you “get it now…the Rosary is your bible…”
Or implying that Jesus had to hate His mother…
I mean this in charity -[and yes you can say that it is just MHO] this type of attack makes a person seem small, pety and disingenuous and does little to further the dialogue…
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misslollipops
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Very charitable. Do you know what charity means?
Please restate any questions you need answered.
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jmcrae
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It comes from “caritas,” meaning disinterested love. It’s when we do things that are good for people, regardless of our feelings about them, and regardless of whether they consider us to be “being nice” to them, at the time.
(For example, pulling a toddler out from in front of a speeding bus and away from his play in the street may not make him happy, but it is a good thing to do for him - it is charitable.)
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YADA
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You asserted that the dead do not hear:
I have posted this before:
Misslollypops, you are initiating another argument…
As evidenced from your many posts - You maintain that the dead cannot see or hear and therefore any prayers to them are inappropriate…Now, because the Rich Man’s plea was answered in the negative it means what?..
That no prayers are ever answered in the affirmative? …You are not really going to say that prayers are ineffective based upon this one passage?? If so that is a different topic…perhaps for a different thread…
This passage proves more then that the dead hear the pleas of others. This passage proves that they are aware, hear, see and have recognition that is out of the norm…
Neither Lazarus nor the Rich Man would [or could have known what Abraham looked like - yet they recognize Abraham for who he is and his role in salvation history - Lazarus lies in the bosom of Abraham - that is probably how you came to realize he is ‘righteous’ a term used to describe Abraham.[/COLOR]
Now Lazarus is with Abraham; you might concluded [expect] that introductions were made. But the Rich Man is in a totally different place and yet he can see across the chasm!
The Rich Man is aware of his own circumstance, that the conditions for Lazarus are different and that his brothers are headed for the same fate as his. The Rich Man is evidently aware that they [his brothers] are unrepentant and still sinners. ** He [the Rich Man] has concern for his brothers and attempts to intercede on their behalf.** It is not necessary for his appeal to be successful to illustrate that you position [the dead are unknowing, unaware, don’t care, etc]
This is really striking…it is compelling for the belief in the Communion of Saints, God as the God of the Living, Intercessory prayer, all of it. That Lazarus was not allowed to ‘personally’ leave and go to the brothers to tell them the Rich Man’s fate is not relevant…Being in HEaven or being Righteous also does not appear mmatter as the Rich Man was neither one…
Another passage is in Revelation; where the martyrs cry out for vindication…Jesus tells them that there will be more martyrs joining them and that their vindication will come [God’s timing!!!]. Again this illustrates that there is awareness and communications. The prayers of those on earth carried forth and presented to God in bowls…
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misslollipops
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jpusateri
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Those who are members of the Body of Christ are able to do things Christ can do. Yea, even greater things than these…
If Christ can do it, Saints can do it.
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misslollipops
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Which dictionary did you use to get that
char·i·ty (chăr’ĭ-tē)
n., pl. -ties.
Provision of help or relief to the poor; almsgiving.
Something given to help the needy; alms.
An institution, organization, or fund established to help the needy.
Benevolence or generosity toward others or toward humanity.
Indulgence or forbearance in judging others. See synonyms at mercy.
often Charity Christianity. The theological virtue defined as love directed first toward God but also toward oneself and one’s neighbors as objects of God’s love.
[Middle English charite, from Old French, Christian love, from Latin cāritās, affection, from cārus, dear.]
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misslollipops
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Saints who have died can bring others back to life?
Can they heal people?
Can they also forgive sins?
If so could you point to the paragraph in the catechism that states these things.
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misslollipops
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The whole bible was created by God.
Man’s will, intentions, and knowledge had nothing to do with it.
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pyropam
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Mary is not our SALVATION! But thank God for choosing her to give our Savior Jesus Christ his human nature. Through her our salvation came by the grace of God.
His first movement was felt by her.
His first kiss was given by her.
His first food was provided by her.
His first injury was comforted by her.
His first steps were witnessed by her.
His last movement was witnessed by her.
His last injury and suffering was witnessed by her.
His last steps were witnessed by her.
His last words were for her care.
His last words gave her to the rest of us.
His risen body was witnessed by her.
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YADA
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And the martyrs, the bowls containing the prayers of the saints [on erth]?
Abraham heard th Rich Man and provided God’s answer to him The Bosom of Abraham [our father in faith] does provide council to the Rich Man and has a message for the brothers…
You need to read scripture with an open mind, just like the christians had to deveop an understannding over the One God - and how the Father, Jesus, the Son and the Spirit of God all fit into salvation history - and how can that conclomeration be One God…How could Jesus have been a part of Creation annd yet exist at a particular point in time…
You think this is easy to understand but that is because you accept it and it has been a part of your theological construct from your earliest memories…It was not so easily understood in the infancy of Christianity - With time and mucg debate far more than has transpired on these forums - the early Christians wrestled with these questions. They created language to describe it - Trinity - Persons - Natures
Other terms came along Transubstantiation, Perpetual Viginty etc…all these terms and understandings come about in relation to Jesus…
While you do not see the need for Mary to be ever Virgin those same early Christians cae to that conclusion in the question about the divinity of Jesus - it was essential for Hos divinity that this be so…they did not decide this to honor Mary for her sake…it is a truth they realized in coming to understand Jesus the Christ!
The Scriptures are rich in meaning and it all is focused upon Jesus…
Pax Christe
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misslollipops
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If you are refering to rev5:8. The bowls are filled with incense. The incense is the prayers of the saints.
Saints are living people on earth who do the will of God.
All Christians are saints.
There is no indication from this passage that ‘saints’ means people who have been canonized and continue to pray.
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