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Please help me a friend sent me this and I did not know how to answer. is it true??

I don’t understand? To be a priest in the catholic religion we must make a vow,
`That we will never interpret the Scriptures except according to the unanimous consent of the Holy Fathers! "It is not to the Holy Scriptures that we are invited to go to know what the Lord saith: it is to the Holy Fathers!
To me “You annihilate the Word of God! You rebel against the Holy Ghost! You deny the Holy Scriptures to follow the steps of sinful men! You reject the pure waters of eternal life, to drink the waters of death.”
Our priest commit spiritual death, by vowing to believe Rome over the Bible. confused:
 
The Church (Rome) decided what should be in the Bible long after the resurrection and after all the apostles and disciples who had known Jesus personally had died.

As Catholics we don’t follow only Scripture (sola scriptura is a protestant tenant), we follow the Magisterium (the teaching authority of the Church). The Bible is God’s Word, but God’s rules for our lives are also taught through Tradition (capital T) and the Magisterium.
 
Thank you… So are you saying that priest are forbidden to search the scriptures for them self? what about Jesus saying that we are to search Scriptures to see if what we are being taught line up to His word? I am catholic and I search the Bible to make sure that what my church teaches on scripture lines up with God’s word… So what you say is that when I ask a priest something about scripture that it is the church of Rome’s opinion and not His? I did not know this and I have to say I believe God’s word over man’s word. How can we not??
 
Thank you… So are you saying that priest are forbidden to search the scriptures for them self? what about Jesus saying that we are to search Scriptures to see if what we are being taught line up to His word? I am catholic and I search the Bible to make sure that what my church teaches on scripture lines up with God’s word… So what you say is that when I ask a priest something about scripture that it is the church of Rome’s opinion and not His? I did not know this and I have to say I believe God’s word over man’s word. How can we not??
Priests are not forbidden to search the Scripture. Scripture has many facets to its meaning. The Magisterium doesn’t tell us how each and every word in the Bible is to be understood.

When it comes to specific things like the Eucharist, and the discussion of what Our Lord said and did at the Last Supper, and also what he said in John 6 re: being the Living Bread that comes down from heaven, then the Church, through her Magisterium rightfully interprets the meaning of that Scripture for us.

Our Lord Jesus Christ gave authority to the Church, and we can’t go wrong when we agree with what the Church teaches on faith and morals.

Catholics have a three-legged stool: The Sacred Scriptures, the Magisterium (teaching authority), and Tradition with a capital “T”.

Protestants have a one-legged stool, the Scriptures. (Bible Only). Get the picture?
 
Please help me a friend sent me this and I did not know how to answer. is it true??

I don’t understand? To be a priest in the catholic religion we must make a vow,
`That we will never interpret the Scriptures except according to the unanimous consent of the Holy Fathers! “It is not to the Holy Scriptures that we are invited to go to know what the Lord saith: it is to the Holy Fathers!..”
As already noted by (name removed by moderator), the quote from your friend originated from Charles Chiniquy. Quite frankly, I’d like to know where Chiniquy himself got it from. I have attended several ordinations of both priests and deacons and have never once heard anyone take such a vow, nor anything remotely close to it. When I googled a portion of it, I did not come across any references to any ordination rites, but only references to Chiniquy’s book, Fifty Years in the Church of Rome.

In light of this, you should ask your friend why anyone should believe Chiniquy’s claim if there is no evidence to support it.
 
I offer the following as an amusing side note to the discussion at hand…

This thread motivated me to read a wikipedia article on Charles Chiniquy (just to find out a little more about exactly who that guy was). Therein, the following statement made me laugh out loud:
"One of his most best-known modern-day followers is Jack Chick, who created a comic-form adaptation of 50 Years In The Church of Rome called “The Big Betrayal”[8] and who draws heavily on Chiniquy’s claims in his own anti-Catholic tracts."

So Chiniquy was an inspiration behind many of Jack Chick’s publications, huh?

As Gomer Pyle used to say…

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Thank you… So are you saying that priest are forbidden to search the scriptures for them self? what about Jesus saying that we are to search Scriptures to see if what we are being taught line up to His word? I am catholic and I search the Bible to make sure that what my church teaches on scripture lines up with God’s word… So what you say is that when I ask a priest something about scripture that it is the church of Rome’s opinion and not His? I did not know this and I have to say I believe God’s word over man’s word. How can we not??
I find it hard to believe you are Catholic. Your question is one that normally comes from a Protestant!!
Have you read the Catechism of the Catholic Church? It contains a summary of Church teachings and footnotes which reference to Scripture and other Church documents underpinning the teachings.
 
You find it hard to believe I am catholic? Why ? I am doing what Jesus said to search the scriptures to make sure what I am being taught, (This was told to me by a good friend a Catholic priest ) Jesus is not about religion, He is about having a relationship with us. religion does its best to bring us to know Jesus. But it is His word that tell us about the person He is. He told me to read the Bible because religion changes the outside of a person , God changes the inside. Shame on you for questioning my religion, are you a catholic? . Just because I question everything. Have you read the Catechism of the Catholic Church? Yes I have and that right their has me full of questions! All I did was join this site to help me with questions I have so I do not use up all my friend (my priest time.) A big mistake on my part. You know when I ask other Catholics from my church they get upset with me says I should not question the church. Why? I guess the truth would make one mad. And yes I am a Catholic. I guess if being a catholic is believing what a religion says above Gods word makes me not a catholic then I guess I need to rethink don’t I? As far as I am concerned there is nothing wrong with my questioning what anyone says to me. Maybe you need to read and compare mans word to Gods then maybe you would not be so judgemental of me… Thank you… your sister in Christ!!!
 
Please help me a friend sent me this and I did not know how to answer. is it true??

I don’t understand? To be a priest in the catholic religion we must make a vow,
`That we will never interpret the Scriptures except according to the unanimous consent of the Holy Fathers! "It is not to the Holy Scriptures that we are invited to go to know what the Lord saith: it is to the Holy Fathers!
To me “You annihilate the Word of God! You rebel against the Holy Ghost! You deny the Holy Scriptures to follow the steps of sinful men! You reject the pure waters of eternal life, to drink the waters of death.”
Our priest commit spiritual death, by vowing to believe Rome over the Bible. confused:
Okay, let’s get something straight? Did you go to Mass and take the time to ask your priest if any such vow exists, because I know a bunch of them and not one has ever even intimated that such is the case.

There’s a lot of anti-Catholic propaganda floating around that is pitched to us, sometimes by people who have just been grossly deceived by others.
You find it hard to believe I am catholic? Why ? I am doing what Jesus said to search the scriptures to make sure what I am being taught, (This was told to me by a good friend a Catholic priest )
Catholics read and study the Bible all the time. Far more than even they realize most of the time. I have researched this here on CAF and here are the results of both polls. See for yourself.
Poll: Catholics: When did you last read the Bible?
Poll: Catholics and the Bible:Update.
Jesus is not about religion, He is about having a relationship with us.
That’s like saying that Jesus isn’t about the church we attend, yet He established it. can you show me where that is found in the Bible?
religion does its best to bring us to know Jesus. But it is His word that tell us about the person He is. He told me to read the Bible because religion changes the outside of a person , God changes the inside. Shame on you for questioning my religion, are you a catholic? . Just because I question everything. Have you read the Catechism of the Catholic Church? Yes I have and that right their has me full of questions! All I did was join this site to help me with questions I have so I do not use up all my friend (my priest time.) A big mistake on my part.
Let me explain something. It’s very easy to get tangled up in non-Catholic beliefs because they generally come at us with Bible in hand or quoting scripture in opposition to 2,000 years of actual Christian teaching in the Catholic Church. Did you ask your friend if they consider Catholics as Christians/ The answer you get back may surprise and distress you. For example, look at what happened when I told someone I was Catholic. My Testimony
You know when I ask other Catholics from my church they get upset with me says I should not question the church. Why? I guess the truth would make one mad. And yes I am a Catholic. **I guess if being a catholic is believing what a religion says above Gods word makes me not a catholic then I guess I need to rethink don’t I? ** As far as I am concerned there is nothing wrong with my questioning what anyone says to me. Maybe you need to read and compare mans word to Gods then maybe you would not be so judgemental of me… Thank you… your sister in Christ!!!
I don’t know that anyone’s judged you, but your remarks and the way you phrased them is nearly the same as that used by n-Cs and a-Cs when they post here at CAF.

Moreover, your initial post there, makes one wonder because it fails the common sense test. If you have been a Catholic all along, (and I’m in no inferring that you are not.), does your friend’s question make sense based on your years of experience? I know it doesn’t in mine… 🤷

Questioning is fine, but the first questions I generally ask are as to the source of the question itself. I take it that your friend is not a Catholic, am I right?
 
It’s probably some kind of garbled made-up rhetoric about the thing Catholic professors and theologians had to swear way back when, against teaching modernism and relativism and all the other up to date -isms, instead of actually teaching the Bible and Catholic theology. Astonishingly enough, back then people rather objected to professors teaching whatever they pulled out of their heinie instead of teaching the stuff they were hired to teach.

But yes, of course it’s still forbidden to teach that “Eat this bread” means “Eat this blueberry muffin with chocolate sprinkles,” “Eat this grilled cheese,” * or “Eat this chicken cacciatore,” and learning the ancient teachings of the Church from time immemorial are the best way to prevent bizarre chicken cacciatore interpretations.

*There was a small heretical sect in ancient Roman days that believed Communion should be bread and cheese, or cheese and milk. Montanists thought regular Communion should have cheese on top. So you could see either group going in for grilled cheese.
 
Nan Bemis

I do not believe you are a Catholic.

There is something in the things you say and your manner of saying things that reminds me a arguments I’ve had with anti-Catholic Evangelicals.

Priests do not vow that they cannot search scripture for themselves, therefore I do not believe you have been told that by a priest.

I am a teacher and regularly have to mark work.
I shall mark yours.

Nice try.
D minus.
Could do better.
 
This is is for the Church Militant…

I never said a priest told me he had to take a vow… where did you get that from? I said my friend who use to be catholic told me about priest having to take a vow. I said my Priest told me to study scripture to make sure what I am being taught line up with the Bible.
Jesus is not about religion, He is about having a relationship with us.

(You said That’s like saying that Jesus isn’t about the church we attend, yet He established it. can you show me where that is found in the Bible?)
I have read the Bible and what I get is that Jesus is all about having a relationship with us… The Church is not a building it is you and I we are the church. (You said For example, look at what happened when I told someone I was Catholic. ). I think you are confuseing religion with Jesus… To me Jesus is my Savior not my religion… I believe Jesus said my church is not a building made with Mans hands…
If you believe in Christ you are a Christian no matter what religion you are…
 
This is is for the Church Militant…

I never said a priest told me he had to take a vow… where did you get that from? I said my friend who use to be catholic told me about priest having to take a vow. I said my Priest told me to study scripture to make sure what I am being taught line up with the Bible.
Jesus is not about religion, He is about having a relationship with us.

(You said That’s like saying that Jesus isn’t about the church we attend, yet He established it. can you show me where that is found in the Bible?)
I have read the Bible and what I get is that Jesus is all about having a relationship with us… The Church is not a building it is you and I we are the church. (You said For example, look at what happened when I told someone I was Catholic. ). I think you are confuseing religion with Jesus… To me Jesus is my Savior not my religion… I believe Jesus said my church is not a building made with Mans hands…
If you believe in Christ you are a Christian no matter what religion you are…
You did not answer my question. Have you read the teachings of the Church which are summarised in the CCC? You only talk about the Bible but Sola Scriptura is wrong.
The way you talk really smacks of protestantism. I assume you do know that the Church teaches there is no salvation outside the Catholic Church!
 
Thistle

(Edited)

It is blatantly obvious he is an evangelical or some sort that believes in this unBiblical Sola Scriptura nonsense.
 
Thistle.
You said> I assume you do know that the Church teaches there is no salvation outside the Catholic Church!
You got to be kidding… Jesus said believe in Him and you are saved…
“If you confess with your mouth you have eternal life. It is that simple, once you are saved the Holy Spirit will come into your heart and help you change… We can not be saved through our own efforts or works.
I can’t believe you don’t know that no religion can give you grace, it is a FREE gift from God… Through faith. Where in The Bible does it say there is no salvation outside the Catholic Church! Again you are confusing Religion with Christ.
 
Thistle…
After mass I asked about 5 people if they thought there is no salvation outside the Catholic Church!
And they are catholic… They all said Grace is free and that all people that believe no matter what religion.(Christen) are saved through Faith…
Thistle just because we are Catholic does not mean we have to believe blindly and not search for our selves. I will Pray for you. I believe you are a man of great faith. But for me I know I have a lot of faith in Christ and His word over any religion. No use talking anymore we won’t agree and that is ok. We are all sisters and brothers in Christ… God Bless!!!
 
(You said That’s like saying that Jesus isn’t about the church we attend, yet He established it. can you show me where that is found in the Bible?)
Matthew 16:18. And you expect us to believe you read Scripture?
 
Edjco… I was quoting something said to me… I did not say that. Read again…
Matthew 16:18. Is right Jesus started His Church. Who again is you and me we are the Church. 😉
 
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