President Trump's pro-life proclamation

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Rau said:
From that I assume he favours CP and he did not really mean “ all life is a gift from God, who endows every person with immeasurable worth and potential.”
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the keyword is potential, not everyone lives up to their potential. Freewill gets in the way of what a person could do with the gifts given by God.
 
That is fabulous…to help make jobs, train people and raise wages…if all that is true …that hasn’t happened in decades. People need jobs!!!
 
This is a forum not a history class. Anyone who tries to protect life acts like a human with dignity and works for justice… anyone who promotes death works to destroy the foundation of a society. They never worked for the rights of the unborn.
 
Even the Church condones CP in certain instances.A red herring argument
 
Emeraldlady said:
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I would crawl to the polls to vote for him in November.
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If one isn’t unconditionally prolife… what’s that about?

A demagogue is a leader who gains popularity in a democracy by exploiting emotions, prejudice, and ignorance to arouse an audience, whipping up the passions of the crowd and shutting down reasoned deliberation. Demagogues overturn established norms of political conduct, or promise or threaten to do so.

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@Emeraldlady

This sounds very much like our previous president.
 
Jeanne_S said:
Even the Church condones CP in certain instances.A red herring argument
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Instances that it calls on us to accept are largely non-existent nowadays. I simply asked if Trump concurs on that point, noting his noble words about the value of life align well with the arguments the Church uses to oppose CP in the current era. So, no, not a red herring at all.
 
Emeraldlady said:
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Sure did. I was responding to your accusation of demagoguery
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So you think his ‘proclamation’ is a barely formed sentence?
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To be a demagogue, he would have to be able to deliver that speech in an emotional and inspiring way.

Trump can’t do that.

Obama, Clinton, Regan, & JFK could. Trump, no.
 
godisgood77 said:
Even the Church condones CP in certain instances.A red herring argument
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There is an excellent summary of the present situation here (National Catholic Register article).

This is nuanced in a way that nobody does better than the Catholic Church. Perhaps that is a good thing — we are not simpletons, and neither are we absolutists (in most matters). The Church is merely saying that, whatever its admissibility might have been in the past, the conditions in today’s world make the death penalty inadmissible. Remove those conditions — as I said above, in a “Mad Max” or post-apocalyptic scenario when we find ourselves thrust back to pre-modern conditions, where life is once again “solitary, poor, nasty, brutish, and short” — and we might have to make recourse to the death penalty for lack of better options.
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I am Pro-Life, but I am anti-Trump.
I will vote for the Democratic Party candidate in November.
Though abortion is an important matter, it is not the only issue.
 
It may not be the only isdue but it is THE most important issue if one is a Catholic.
 
Yes, Jeanne I understand the importance of abortion. But it is not enough to get me to vote for Trump in 2020.
For one thing, Trump was pro-choice for most of his life. That is, before he decided to run for president. Then, he seemed to change to gain support from evangelicals, etc.
I do not trust Trump.
And I do not like the way he treats others. Very un-Christian-like.
But this is my opinion.
 
Unfortunately,you are correct.Its not the most mportant for many,though it should be.The right to life is a God given right,everything else is moot if one is denied life to begin with.
 
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Jeanne_S said:
The right to life is a God given right,everything else is moot if one is denied life to begin with.
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But pro-life encompasses more than just pro-birth, which is what too many limit their compassion to…it should not be, “out of the womb and you are on your own”.

So these things need to all be considered when choosing a candidate.
 
Well choosing a candidate that supports abortion is hardly a move in the right direction.
 
Jeanne_S said:
Well choosing a candidate that supports abortion is hardly a move in the right direction.
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Perhaps, but when throwing this guy in the mix…a candidate who as stretched the truth routinely, and said things one day and changed his mind the next, its hard to use the proclamation as rationale for determining he really is Pro-Choice.

I’m not sure if it was on this thread, or a similar one, but I agree with the poster who said the proclamation hardly sounded like his own words, and even wondered if he had read it!
 
What Trump may feel and believe in his heart really is here nor there.Neither you or I can know that .His actions have been prolife far more than any president Dem certainly and even recent Republican.presidents
 
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Rau said:
Skepticism is always warranted! He is a politician and he knows his support base well.
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At least he’s not a lifelong politician, unlike many others including Joe Biden and Nancy Pelosi and Mitch McConnell. Term limits anyone?
 
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