President Trump's pro-life proclamation

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livnlern said:
Term limits anyone?
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Non-sequitor…this is a thread about the President’s claims, not the house or senators’…and the president already has term limits.

Not saying its a bad thought, but it should be a new thread.
 
Rau said:
From that I assume he favours CP and he did not really mean “ all life is a gift from God, who endows every person with immeasurable worth and potential.”
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There’s no real mainstream “pro-life” so it doesn’t really work as a contradiction.
 
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Jeanne_S said:
The right to life is a God given right,everything else is moot if one is denied life to begin with.
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But at the same time, the right to live on it’s on isn’t enough if other rights are lacking, so supplementing them is also necessary.
 
I agree and I don’t believe I or anyone else who is pro life has ever said otherwise
 
@Rau
I am afraid that, capital punishment, is a red herring!
How many people get killed with capital punishment? A hand full in a year! Those people have been deemed unworthy to life by our justice system. What have the unborn babies done to deserve death? Nothing! Do you know that there is a $500 fine for destroying an egg from a bald eagle!
 
His actions since being president reflect otherwise. I’ve noticed this comment by a lot of posters on here,that because Trump was at a point in his life pro choice,now he is a fraud because he’s changed his beliefs? Can you read what’s n his heart? Appointing g pro life SCOTUS’ Defunding PP speaks of someone who at the very least is honoring his campaign promises. That’s way more than we have gotten in the past.
Ever heard of a conversion of heart?🤨
 
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Yes, but not Trump. He’s even surrounded himself with false prosperity preachers to advised him.
 
Many Bernie supporters didn’t vote in 2016. Hillary burned Bernie, so they wanted nothing of her. Both her and Trump were very bad choices. Probably worse selection I’d ever seen in 2016. Bush Jr. looks like a heavenly Saint compared to Trump.
 
Tsk tsk tsk you are beginning to sound like a Pharisee .
Are you implying that only Catholics can be authentically prolife? There are atheists that support the pro life movement as well.
 
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Pharisee? We can’t sugar coat how bad Trump is. Thank God Christianity Today stood up for what is right and wrote about Trump. Just for that, I subscribed to their magazine.
 
JoeShlabotnik said:
Yes, Jeanne I understand the importance of abortion. But it is not enough to get me to vote for Trump in 2020.
For one thing, Trump was pro-choice for most of his life. That is, before he decided to run for president. Then, he seemed to change to gain support from evangelicals, etc.
I do not trust Trump.
And I do not like the way he treats others. Very un-Christian-like.
But this is my opinion.
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CorydonMundi said:
It’s not the most important issue to everyone. While I disagree others see providing welfare and other benefits to the poor or letting immigrants in to pursue a better life as more important than abortion. Such is their right.
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A “right”, as Father Vincent Miceli once said, is a claim upon a moral good. We never have a “right” to choose evil.

I would go so far as to say that a person may be justified in voting for a pro-choice candidate because pro-choicers do not force anyone to have an abortion — they just want to make sure the choice is there for those who do, and that the woman seeking an abortion is not hindered in any way. I don’t embrace this, but at least I can go far enough to say “all right, you would allow this choice, but that does not actually mean that you want anyone to do this”. You could also maintain that the law should be neutral regarding abortion. I don’t endorse this, but I would stop short of calling someone a bad Catholic because they advocate a neutralist stance. And it is true that there are very important issues other than abortion.
 
HomeschoolDad said:
I would go so far as to say that a person may be justified in voting for a pro-choice candidate because pro-choicers do not force anyone to have an abortion — they just want to make sure the choice is there for those who do, and that the woman seeking an abortion is not hindered in any way. I don’t embrace this, but at least I can go far enough to say “all right, you would allow this choice, but that does not actually mean that you want anyone to do this”. You could also maintain that the law should be neutral regarding abortion. I don’t endorse this, but I would stop short of calling someone a bad Catholic because they advocate a neutralist stance. And it is true that there are very important issues other than abortion.
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Would you say the same if the issue was slavery?
 
VanitasVanitatum said:
There’s no real mainstream “pro-life” so it doesn’t really work as a contradiction.
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The words drew no distinction, and they are the same words that a truly “pro-life” organization (say, the church) would use. Politicians can be advised to say what they mean.
 
Elf01 said:
I would go so far as to say that a person may be justified in voting for a pro-choice candidate because pro-choicers do not force anyone to have an abortion — they just want to make sure the choice is there for those who do, and that the woman seeking an abortion is not hindered in any way. I don’t embrace this, but at least I can go far enough to say “all right, you would allow this choice, but that does not actually mean that you want anyone to do this”. You could also maintain that the law should be neutral regarding abortion. I don’t endorse this, but I would stop short of calling someone a bad Catholic because they advocate a neutralist stance. And it is true that there are very important issues other than abortion.
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No, I wouldn’t. To be perfectly honest, I bend over backwards to try and see at least some goodwill in people who embrace the “pro-choice” position, because — and there is no nice way to put this — I try to recognize that they “just don’t think right” about this issue, and I am able to see that a pro-choice person can be a great patriot, a dedicated public servant, and truly committed to doing good. However, because of the way the American mentality works, they get this one issue wrong. Americans are taught from their earliest days that we have rights, we have freedom of speech and of conscience, nobody can impose their morality on anyone else, you have to respect people who disagree with you, you can’t judge anyone else, people see things differently and that includes religion and morality, yada yada yada.

Every Catholic American would do well to read Testem benevolentiae, take it to heart, and ask “am I infected with any of this?”. Americans typically don’t engage in a lot of doubt about the basic underlying principles of their social order. They just accept it as “the way things are” and don’t entertain any ideas to the contrary.
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livnlern said:
At least he’s not a lifelong politician, unlike many others including Joe Biden and Nancy Pelosi and Mitch McConnell. Term limits anyone?
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True, life long politicians are tough to support… Life long con artists are even harder for me to get behind.

While I’m confident that someone wrote this speech for Trump and that he sees it more as a way to energize a portion of the electorate, it is a good speech and good a good help to the quest to end abortion.

Unfortunately, Trumps pro-life credentials are damaged by the very recent efforts he has made to reintroduce the death penalty in the US after years of being in hiatus. This after the Church has declared the death penalty inadmissible… a very anti-life move.

For me, Trump’s long history to lying and saying whatever is necessary to get what he wants regardless of the damage cause great concern. I view many of his policies as anti-life - for instance death penalty, immigration, very demeaning to women, bigoted views of other countries… and a very public pro-choice stance prior to be elected and needing the religious vote… I can not support him in good conscious and would not vote for him unless there was a public and sustained change for the good in terms of his rhetoric, trustworthiness and actions outside of the abortion issue.
 
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