President Trump's pro-life proclamation

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GOD BLESS PRESIDENT TRUMP!
4 MORE YEARS!

But in all seriousness, this is why I voted for him and will vote for him again in 2020.
 
Rau said:
But nor is one an inherently bad idea. If it’s the will of the people to see the hungry fed, I don’t object, in principle, that taxes are applied in that direction.
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The problem is that the further away the programs get from “local,” the more inefficient they become. Much of the tax money is spent not helping the poor, but paying the bureaucrats who administer the program. So very little of my tax money actually pays for the actual food and dispersal of the food to those who need it.

I’ve posted the article about Miss Carly several times here on CAF. She feeds 200 homeless a day out of her home. She does not receive any government money, but uses donations from individuals, churches, and clubs/organizations to fund her outreach. Several longtime friends are her volunteer (unpaid) staff–they cook, serve, and clean up. In other words–if you donate to Miss Carly, EVERY PENNY of your donation will go towards actually feeding the homeless.

Finally, of course I recognize that we need to feed the hungry. But I also think that we need programs that get them to a place where they can feed themselves if they are capable of doing so. One problem with government programs, especially federal programs, is that they are often too far away from the hungry ones, and they make assumptions that all the hungry are similar in their needs. This just isn’t true. Programs that help the needy should be specifically designed for each State, City/Town, and neighborhood, not “One Size Feeds All.”
 
JoeShlabotnik said:
Where was Donald Trump five years ago on this issue?
Where was he 10 years ago?
Where was he 20 years ago?
He never was Pro-Life until he decided he wanted to run for President.
Total phony!
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He was running his business 5, 10, 20 years ago.

And I would guess that many MANY pro-life people, including myself, sir, were once pro-choice because we didn’t know the facts. We are NOT total phonies!

And Pres. Trump has nothing to gain politically from being pro-life. All of our recent Republican Presidents have professed to be pro-life, but did very little to help put an end to legal abortion, and did not speak up for the unborn as Pres. Trump does. He loses a lot of support from celebs because of his pro-life stance, and many of the powerful national women’s organizations, along with almost all of the women journalists, utterly denounce Pres. Trump and Vice President Pence in the strongest and most unflattering language.

Even a lot of church denominations denounce Pres. Trump because these denoms are pro-choice!

And even many in the medical community are pro-choice and condemn Pres. Trump’s denial of a woman’s “reproductive freedom.”

In other words, being pro-life in the U.S. is a definite “minority” stand that only ignorant people take up–and yet Pres. Trump has aligned himself with the unborn. In my mind, he is a hero–a true hero works to help those who can’t pay him/her back.

He is taking an incredible gamble–if the only people who actually vote for him are doing so because of the abortio issue–will there be enough of us to get him re-elected? According to many statistics, no.

He will lose the election if he’s counting on pro-lifers, especially considering that many Christians refuse to vote based on the life issue, and insist that we have to be willing to vote for pro-choice people because they are advocates for many humanitarian programs that help all people, not just the unborn. God help us!

Rather than calling Pres. Trump a phony, you would do better to call him “stupid,” because to many people in the U.S., that’s what he is because he is supporting oppression of women and denying that they have a right to choose what to do with their own bodies.

And remember, if he’s a phony, so are many of us who once were “pro-choice.”
 
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100 likes. Excellent response and 100% true.

Especially this…as if pro-life candidates completely ignore humanitarian issues and refuse to offer help.
Peeps said:
He will lose the election if he’s counting on pro-lifers, especially considering that many Christians refuse to vote based on the life issue, and insist that we have to be willing to vote for pro-choice people because they are advocates for many humanitarian programs that help all people, not just the unborn. God help us!
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Peeps said:
He will lose the election if he’s counting on pro-lifers,
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He is not counting on just that group of course!

I wonder whether the pro-choice supporters believe that the right to abortion in the US is unassailable, and thus while Trump’s position is irksome, it’s actually no threat and thus he can be supported for other reasons?
 
Peeps said:
The problem is that the further away the programs get from “local,” the more inefficient they become. Much of the tax money is spent not helping the poor, but paying the bureaucrats who administer the program.
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Yet it may remain the best option as people may not be as generous by other means.

Bear in mind that taxes do also go straight to private charities. This is the net effect of tax deductions being offered for charitable donations (which certainly happens in some countries, don’t know about the US).
 
Rau said:
Bear in mind that taxes do also go straight to private charities. This is the net effect of tax deductions being offered for charitable donations (which certainly happens in some countries, don’t know about the US).
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There are certain rules and limits but yes charitable donations are considered tax deductible on US tax returns.
 
I’m a new Catholic can someone tell me where the Catholic vote went in the 2016 Republican primaries
 
Rau said:
I wonder whether the pro-choice supporters believe that the right to abortion in the US is unassailable, and thus while Trump’s position is irksome, it’s actually no threat and thus he can be supported for other reasons?
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I think you raise a good point. Worth remembering.

OTOH, it’s amazing how certain things have just happened, and looking back, it’s obvious that God was at work massively.

The best example I can think of is the crumbling of the Soviet Union, especially the dramatic tearing down of the Berlin Wall. This was one of the best days of my life–watching the coverage on TV and knowing that I was witnessing an act of God, a miracle.

Other examples come from WWII; e.g., the Germans inexplicably halted their bombardment of Great Britain, which gave GB the chance, with the help of the U.S., to build more planes and train more pilots to defend their nation and defeat the Luftwaffe. There is no explanation for Hitler’s decision to halt the bombings–it was God at work.

So I think it’s inevitable that when the time is right, God will move in a mighty way–He will send His angels and they will sweep away the evil of legal abortion in the United States of America and end the power of those who support such heinous laws, and at the same time, enable many Christians to repent of their apathy and step up and provide for the needs of those who formerly sought abortion as a solution to their problems.

It must be, or this country is doomed.
 
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JoeShlabotnik said:
We all have told lies.
But Trump lies so much that it is a rare exception when he tells the truth!
But I pray for him, nonetheless.
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Please provide me the exact moment President Trump
went from pro-choice to pro-life.

@JoeShlabotnik
 
upant said:
why should people who can work but don’t get food stamps? qualifying isn’t that hard and there are exemptions for the needy.
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Well suppose their a waiter/waitress and the hours they get are unpredictable, over the limit one week and under the next? Or suppose the openings in the area are all for part time work because the companies don’t want to pay benefits, and the schedule changes week to week. This is the reality for a LOT of people I know who aren’t even on benefit programs.

That said it’s not the GOP, the GOP voted against it, this one is all Trump, for better or worse.
 
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Peeps said:
And Pres. Trump has nothing to gain politically from being pro-life. All of our recent Republican Presidents have professed to be pro-life, but did very little to help put an end to legal abortion, and did not speak up for the unborn as Pres. Trump does. He loses a lot of support from celebs because of his pro-life stance, and many of the powerful national women’s organizations, along with almost all of the women journalists, utterly denounce Pres. Trump and Vice President Pence in the strongest and most unflattering language.
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Nothing to gain? He has everything to gain. Single-issue pro-life voters are a major source of support for the Republican Party. It’s why they’ve managed to stay competitive with the Democrats despite so many of their other positions not being that popular even among their own base–the single-issue pro-life voters will ignore anything the Republicans do so long as they are pro-life (or at least claim to be pro-life), and there’s probably a lot more single-issue pro-life voters than there are single-issue voters on anything else. If the Republican Party wasn’t able to leverage the abortion issue like they have been for decades now they’d get utterly clobbered by the Democrats.
 
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Dan123 said:
Well suppose their a waiter/waitress and the hours they get are unpredictable, over the limit one week and under the next? Or suppose the openings in the area are all for part time work because the companies don’t want to pay benefits, and the schedule changes week to week. This is the reality for a LOT of people I know who aren’t even on benefit programs.

That said it’s not the GOP, the GOP voted against it, this one is all Trump, for better or worse.
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Has it occurred to you that perhaps Pres. Trump wants to curtail the Food Stamps program to force businesses to pay a decent living wage? 🤔

Or as I suspect, he wants to get charitable programs out of the wasteful hands of the government and back to the penny-wise private sector (ie., all of us) where it will do much more good not only to the people who receive the benefits, but to those who are involved with giving out the benefit.
 
Peeps said:
Has it occurred to you that perhaps Pres. Trump wants to curtail the Food Stamps program to force businesses to pay a decent living wage?
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I’m not confident that action would produce that outcome. Is there evidence to suggest that will be the result?
Peeps said:
Or as I suspect, he wants to get charitable programs out of the wasteful hands of the government and back to the penny-wise private sector
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Is there evidence that there is a plan to achieve that (rather than just the first part of that…)?
 
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Rau said:
Is there evidence that there is a plan to achieve that (rather than just the first part of that…)?
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And is there evidence the private sector is more penny-wise about their spending.
 
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Dan123 said:
And is there evidence the private sector is more penny-wise about their spending.
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I think on some level I could buy that. But the scale of government welfare schemes would I think be a challenge to match in a private manner. And there is the very real doubt that the private sector would or could cope & raise the required money.
 
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My wife and 17 year old daughter, who are sort of pro-life feminists, saw a headline that Trump addresses the March For Life and they both reacted with revulsion. He’s pretty much anathema in our house. 😄
 
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I think on some level I could buy that. But the scale of government welfare schemes would I think be a challenge to match in a private manner.
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I’d still prefer numbers. SNAP is managed at the state level anyways so it’s not as far away as a federal program anyways.
 
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