Presidential Election Poll 10-2-2012

[austenbosten]

Indeed I do. Being an Ohio native, I was delighted that she selected Ohio State for her undergraduate studies. Its a great school and I’ve been a Buckeyes fan since I learned to walk. I’m going to the OSU vs Nebraska game this Saturday night. Go Bucks!

I see you’re from Columbus. Great town! We are spending most of Sunday at the German Village. Should be fun.

I used to live in Columbus, but I had to return to my hometown some 60 miles away because it was cheaper to live with my mom than go to school and live in Columbus. Everyone says I lose money with the car commute, but I’ve done the Math it’s cheaper to commute than live in Columbus…hopefully an internship followed by a job in Columbus will change all of that

OSU is okay in my view I used to go to school there, but I prefer CSCC much better!

Awesome to hear from a fellow Buckeye. Go Bucks!

Have you been to Saint Joseph’s Cathedral by any chance?

 

[Tampa_Dave]

I used to live in Columbus, but I had to return to my hometown some 60 miles away because it was cheaper to live with my mom than go to school and live in Columbus. Everyone says I lose money with the car commute, but I’ve done the Math it’s cheaper to commute than live in Columbus…hopefully an internship followed by a job in Columbus will change all of that

OSU is okay in my view I used to go to school there, but I prefer CSCC much better!

Awesome to hear from a fellow Buckeye. Go Bucks!

Have you been to Saint Joseph’s Cathedral by any chance?

No. We have yet to figure out where we’re going to church on Sunday before our visit to German Village.

 

[anilorak13ska]

Tampa Bay, thank you for this itemized reasoning for your support for Romney.
I am undecided, torn between Romney and Goode. I’m also in Virginia, and I know that if I don’t vote for Romney, VA may go to Obama.

Furthermore, I take issue with the Constitution party’s position opposing any kind of immigration (can anyone refute this?), as both my husband and I are immigrants (now US citizens and Army veterans). Their disbelief in the danger of global warming also concerns me (I do not care to enter a debate on this here), as does their apparent support for gun rights without the sort of protective measures I believe are needed to keep guns out of the hands of mentally unstable would-be assassins like the recent theater shooter, among others. To me, all of these are LIFE issues, not just abortion.

However, I do realize that there is no perfect candidate, and I cannot expect to vote based on a perfect alignment on all issues. So I have to prioritize and take into consideration the very likely consequences of my choices.

Having said that, after reading through everyone’s comments here, especially your post, TampaBay, I think the best use of my vote may very well be Romney after all. I will have to take it to prayer first, of course.

Thanks to everyone’s feedback. It’s most helpful for an undecided voter like myself.

ETA: Can someone please clarify for me what is Romney’s plan regarding consolidating government agencies and freezing raises for government workers? My DH works for the DOD, and while I do not intend to vote based on “what’s in it for me”, I do want to be prepared for what’s ahead. Thanks!

 

[austenbosten]

No. We have yet to figure out where we’re going to church on Sunday before our visit to German Village.

Well St. Joesph’s in downtown is the Mother Church for the Diocese of Columbus and St. Mary’s is the CC in GV. But downtown is not far from GV so it’s your pick

 

[qui_est_ce]

Tampa Bay, thank you for this itemized reasoning for your support for Romney.
I am undecided, torn between Romney and Goode. I’m also in Virginia, and I know that if I don’t vote for Romney, VA may go to Obama.

Furthermore, I take issue with the Constitution party’s position opposing any kind of immigration (can anyone refute this?), as both my husband and I are immigrants (now US citizens and Army veterans). Their disbelief in the danger of global warming also concerns me (I do not care to enter a debate on this here), as does their apparent support for gun rights without the sort of protective measures I believe are needed to keep guns out of the hands of mentally unstable would-be assassins like the recent theater shooter, among others. To me, all of these are LIFE issues, not just abortion.

However, I do realize that there is no perfect candidate, and I cannot expect to vote based on a perfect alignment on all issues. So I have to prioritize and take into consideration the very likely consequences of my choices.

Having said that, after reading through everyone’s comments here, especially your post, TampaBay, I think the best use of my vote may very well be Romney after all. I will have to take it to prayer first, of course.

Thanks to everyone’s feedback. It’s most helpful for an undecided voter like myself.

 

[Chris_Etzel]

Tampa Bay, thank you for this itemized reasoning for your support for Romney.
I am undecided, torn between Romney and Goode. I’m also in Virginia, and I know that if I don’t vote for Romney, VA may go to Obama.

Furthermore, I take issue with the Constitution party’s position opposing any kind of immigration (can anyone refute this?),
Thanks to everyone’s feedback. It’s most helpful for an undecided voter like myself.

Virgil Goode wants a moratorium on green cards until our economy recovers. That’s not a tall order. We’re sitting (if you believe the government) at 8% unemployment (probably closer to 11%) which means 30+Million people out of work. Bringing more people in to saturate an already diluted jobs market is killing us. … at least that’s what’s on Virgil’s website.

 

[Luigi_Daniele]

Virgil Goode wants a moratorium on green cards until our economy recovers. That’s not a tall order. We’re sitting (if you believe the government) at 8% unemployment (probably closer to 11%) which means 30+Million people out of work. Bringing more people in to saturate an already diluted jobs market is killing us. … at least that’s what’s on Virgil’s website.

Could you show me the US citizens that would want to pick cherries? Or hand plant tomatoes?

 

[iloveangels]

Could you show me the US citizens that would want to pick cherries? Or hand plant tomatoes?

1. Luigi is right. They won’t do it. The fruit will rot on the vine. Citizens can get welfare without even looking for work now.
2. Goode is not going to get elected to anything. He doesn’t have a chance. You can dream on if you want but it won’t stop Obama. If Obama gets elected, nothing will get done about any of this. We can’t go on like we have been. The only way to do that is elect the only other person who can get elected, which is Romney.

 

[austenbosten]

1. Luigi is right. They won’t do it. The fruit will rot on the vine. You can get welfare without even looking for work now.
2. Goode is not going to get elected to anything. He doesn’t have a chance. You can dream on if you want but it won’t stop Obama. If Obama gets elected, nothing will get done about any of this. We can’t go on like we have been.

If Obama gets a second term, all of us can kiss any Conservative from getting into office for the next 40 years. Yeah no more Reagans and the Constitution and Libertarian Party will be even smaller than they are now and that’s because when Obama finishes by creating more takers than makers…no one is going to vote for the non-Socialist in fear of losing their benefits from the government.

Look at France and how they booted out Sarkozy because he asked them to work 5 years more before retiring (Retirement age is 60 in France) and went back to the Socialist cause he was gonna give them their “Obamaphones” …and now with the 75% tax looming…you can guarantee that France is heading towards Greece…another Socialist state that has its enslaved minions committing suicide and resorting to drugs because the government is broke and there are no more goodies to hand out.

If you Goode/Johnson guys want that future because you are too prideful to give up your votes for loser candidates (and they are losers who have no hope of winning, it’s 32 days until the election, nobody knows these candidates and they have no outlet to get their message out) and put them with a guy who you may not agree with on principal but will at least ensure Conservatives/Libertarians will have a future…then you guys shall reap what you sow.

 

[qui_est_ce]

If Obama gets a second term, all of us can kiss any Conservative from getting into office for the next 40 years. Yeah no more Reagans and the Constitution and Libertarian Party will be even smaller than they are now and that’s because when Obama finishes by creating more takers than makers…no one is going to vote for the non-Socialist in fear of losing their benefits from the government.

Look at France and how they booted out Sarkozy because he asked them to work 5 years more before retiring (Retirement age is 60 in France) and went back to the Socialist cause he was gonna give them their “Obamaphones” …and now with the 75% tax looming…you can guarantee that France is heading towards Greece…another Socialist state that has its enslaved minions committing suicide and resorting to drugs because the government is broke and there are no more goodies to hand out.

If you Goode/Johnson guys want that future because you are too prideful to give up your votes for loser candidates (and they are losers who have no hope of winning, it’s 32 days until the election, nobody knows these candidates and they have no outlet to get their message out) and put them with a guy who you may not agree with on principal but will at least ensure Conservatives/Libertarians will have a future…then you guys shall reap what you sow.

Haha. My cousin is French and comes at least once a year with her student exchange program and some teachers from her school as escorts. A couple of years ago, one of the teachers was here for the first time. She couldn’t believed all the old people who were working here. She said it was not allowed in France because it took jobs away from the younger people who needed to work.

 

[_Abyssinia]

Middle Cheese: Keep an Eye on Swing-State Latinos

Middle Cheese writes in on a topic he’s been examining a while, how Obama and Romney stack up on the Latino vote.

Conventional wisdom holds that Mitt Romney is faring so badly with Hispanic voters that he cannot possibly win.

A recent CNN/ORC poll of Hispanics nationally finds President Obama has the support of 70 percent Hispanic voters compared to 26 percent for Mitt Romney. By comparison, John McCain got 31 percent of the Hispanic vote in 2008 and George W. Bush got 44 percent in 2004, according to exit polls.

Nationally, I think the more relevant comparison is George W. Bush, who was a two-term Governor of a border state, and got 35 percent of the Hispanic vote in 2000.

Further, national polls can be deceiving because they survey Hispanics from populous states like California and New York, who are overwhelmingly Democratic voters.

Let’s look at the polls of Hispanics in the key battleground states of Florida, Nevada, and Colorado. Now the polls are all over the place, depending on whether they surveyed registered voters or likely voters. However, comparing some recent polls to the 2008 results produces some very interesting trends:

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Florida Poll this week shows Romney with 47% of Hispanics and Obama with 49%.

In 2008, Obama took 57% of the vote compared to McCain’s 42%.

As we all know, a large portion — though not all — of Florida’s Hispanic population is Cuban-American, and that community tends to lean Republican more than Latinos who trace their heritage to other Latin countries. Having said that, there had been buzz in recent years that Florida’s Cuban-Americans were growing less solidly Republican, and the 2008 result might be seen as evidence of that. Either 2008 is an outlier, or Romney is winning them back, so far.

Middle Cheese continues:

WSJ/NBC/Marist Nevada Poll this week shows Romney with 36% of Hispanics and Obama with 62%.

In 2008, Obama took 76% of the vote compared to McCain’s 22%.

ARG Colorado Poll this week shows Romney with 38% of Hispanics and Obama with 53%.

In 2008, Obama took 61% of the vote compared to McCain’s 38%.

Team Romney has made some very smart adjustments in both the tone and substance of Romney’s stance on immigration, which is a gateway issue for Hispanics. For example, Romney announced that he would allow undocumented “Dreamers” who were offered a two-year deferral on deportation by Obama to stay in the country if he becomes President, and that he would seek a permanent legislative solution for these undocumented young achievers who pursue higher education or serve in the military.

By doing so, Hispanics — who have experienced sharply higher rates of joblessness under Obama than the general population — are increasingly receptive to Romney’s core message of promoting upward mobility and creating 12 million jobs through pro-growth policies.To wit, a new Latino Decisions national poll has Romney at 33 percent among Hispanics, a seven point increase from a month ago.

The bottom line: Obama is not where he was with Hispanic voters in 2008 and Romney is steadily improving on McCain’s showing, which will be critical in carrying these battleground states.

Mitt’s strong debate performance the other night will no doubt boost his numbers among independent Hispanics voters. I am going to go out on a limb and predict that Mitt Romney will do at least as well as George W. Bush did among Hispanics in 2000, and he will win a majority of Hispanics in Florida.

 

[austenbosten]

Haha. My cousin is French and comes at least once a year with her student exchange program and some teachers from her school as escorts. A couple of years ago, one of the teachers was here for the first time. She couldn’t believed all the old people who were working here. She said it was not allowed in France because it took jobs away from the younger people who needed to work.

I wonder if it is also not allowed to live longer than 85 because it takes away retirement benefits from younger retirees who needed to retire?

 

[Chris_Etzel]

1. Luigi is right. They won’t do it. The fruit will rot on the vine. Citizens can get welfare without even looking for work now.
2. Goode is not going to get elected to anything. He doesn’t have a chance. You can dream on if you want but it won’t stop Obama. If Obama gets elected, nothing will get done about any of this. We can’t go on like we have been. The only way to do that is elect the only other person who can get elected, which is Romney.

Wrong. The jobs you’re referring to don’t come with green cards. IT, Banking, Service industry jobs are the folks we’re bringing in. The “No American will pick cherries” argument falls short. American cherry pickers aren’t out of work.

And no, Virgil Goode will not win. We Americans are reaping what we’ve sown. A 2-party, billionaire-PAC-fueled system with a one-sided media that controls what we see and who we can vote for.

But if you think for one iota that Romney has any intention of ending abortion or protecting our freedoms here’s a reality check for you: 4 Republican presidents since Roe V. Wade and we have a thriving abortion industry. 4 Pro-freedom presidents and now we have the “Patriot Act”. Now the 5th president is a pro-choice guy who had a change of heart while collecting a paycheck from a corporation who owns Stericycle and is from one of the most left-leaning states in the nation and he’s our Champion because the GOP says so ?

So here’s what we’re left with: Christians on a forum calling each other stupid for trying to do the right thing in each of our individual consciences and the stark reality staring us in the face: Vote the lesser bad guy in office on the slim chance he might make it better but at least won’t make it any worse (we hope) or we vote for the little guy that we know won’t win because it’s easier on our consciences. It’s a lose-lose. Seriously, we’re voting to “get a bad guy out and put a less bad guy in”. Say it out loud right now so you can wrap your minds around what has become of our “right to vote”.

…I meant to add this before I posted since it answered some questions for me:
ewtn.com/vote/voting_faq.htm

 

[qui_est_ce]

I wonder if it is also not allowed to live longer than 85 because it takes away retirement benefits from younger retirees who needed to retire?

Good one.

 

[BroomWagon]

Wrong. The jobs you’re referring to don’t come with green cards. IT, Banking, Service industry jobs are the folks we’re bringing in. The “No American will pick cherries” argument falls short. American cherry pickers aren’t out of work.

And no, Virgil Goode will not win. We Americans are reaping what we’ve sown. A 2-party, billionaire-PAC-fueled system with a one-sided media that controls what we see and who we can vote for.

But if you think for one iota that Romney has any intention of ending abortion or protecting our freedoms here’s a reality check for you: 4 Republican presidents since Roe V. Wade and we have a thriving abortion industry. 4 Pro-freedom presidents and now we have the “Patriot Act”. Now the 5th president is a pro-choice guy who had a change of heart while collecting a paycheck from a corporation who owns Stericycle and is from one of the most left-leaning states in the nation and he’s our Champion because the GOP says so ?

So here’s what we’re left with: Christians on a forum calling each other stupid for trying to do the right thing in each of our individual consciences and the stark reality staring us in the face: Vote the lesser bad guy in office on the slim chance he might make it better but at least won’t make it any worse (we hope) or we vote for the little guy that we know won’t win because it’s easier on our consciences. It’s a lose-lose. Seriously, we’re voting to “get a bad guy out and put a less bad guy in”. Say it out loud right now so you can wrap your minds around what has become of our “right to vote”.

…I meant to add this before I posted since it answered some questions for me:
ewtn.com/vote/voting_faq.htm

I don’t criticize, RenewAmerica and Alan Keyes say some of these same kinds of things.

But to keep it short, I will still vote for Romney/Ryan.

But totally respect your view.

The Democrat agenda is too radical.

And I was impressed enough with Romney from '08. Not much new to say otherwise, we all know he’s received endorsements, etc.

 

[Semper_Zelare]

Semper Zelare - you are consistent - I’ll give you that. Some questions and points for anyone reading your posts to remember:

1. Would an anti-Catholic president choose a devout Catholic to be his running mate? Of course not. Romney isn’t “anti-Catholic.”
2. I believe we have a moral obligation as Catholics to stop the anti-Catholic, pro-abortion rights policies of Obama. There is too much at stake in this election to indulge in a counter-effective fit of misguided scrupulousness.

Ishii

1. I’m not saying Romney is anti-Catholic. I’m saying actions he’s done in the past were anti-Catholic. I’m saying actions he did in the past were condemned by Bishops in Massachusetts. My policy on that is: “One and Done”. You get condemned by a Bishop even once, then I am done with you.

Newt Gingrich, Rick Santorum, Ron Paul, Herman Cain, Rick Perry, Michelle Bachmann, Gary Johnson, and Virgil Goode have not been condemned or taken part in an action which has been condemned by a Bishop. [Or feel free to prove me wrong]

Mitt Romney has. Obama has.

One and done.

1. I don’t believe in the two party system. Maybe if the GOP didn’t nominate a guy who has harmed the Catholic Church in his past. But they did. If both parties do that, then I demand another party that doesn’t. And we have 2!!! Constitutional Party and Libertarian Party.
   I certainly don’t view myself as having a “fit of scrupulosity”. I view myself as being the temporal punishment for Romney’s sins. He may regret having done what he did to the Catholic Church. But now that he’s done so, he’s gonna have to deal with temporal punishment for it: eg. : my vote.

 

[Semper_Zelare]

If you think I don’t have reasons to vote for Mitt Romney you are sadly mistaken:

I didn’t doubt that you had reasons to vote for him. I was merely pointing out that Romney supporters, such as yourself never offer them. The discussion coming from Romney supporters, the talking points which they are using for his campaign are almost always about how bad Obama is.

And let’s face it, the reason people aren’t talking about how awesome Mitt Romney is… is because he isn’t awesome. Most of his supporters settled on him because of his “winnability”, not because he was their favorite candidate.

I’m just saying, if you tell me how bad Obama is, it’s not going to stop me from voting for Virgil Goode. And it won’t stop some 11% of voters (on this thread) from voting for Virgil Goode or Gary Johnson. We agree with you: Obama is bad.

We just don’t assume that the only answer to the problem: “Obama is bad” is: “I will vote for Mitt Romney”. We’re just not making the link between those 2 points.

 

[austenbosten]

1. I don’t believe in the two party system.

Well if you vote for Virgil Goode and Obama wins a second term you won’t have a 2-party system to kick around anymore, just a pro-Obama one-party system.

 

[smndtupidisaftr]

Well if you vote for Virgil Goode and Obama wins a second term you won’t have a 2-party system to kick around anymore, just a pro-Obama one-party system.

So I should vote for something I don’t like because otherwise something I don’t like will win? Logic sounds fishy to me.

 

[Semper_Zelare]

Well if you vote for Virgil Goode and Obama wins a second term you won’t have a 2-party system to kick around anymore, just a pro-Obama one-party system.

I’m getting a handgun for my 21st birthday.

So, Roll Tide if there’s a one party system. “I want to kill me some redcoats… or Communists… or w/e” :knight1:
.

Seriously… I highly doubt that the millions of Republican voters in this country are going to let that happen. The conservatives have way more guns in this country than liberals. The army is made up of far more conservatives than liberals. I think a one party system is less likely than America having a democratic system with more than 2 parties in government… which is a reality in the majority of democracies across the world.