"Pride Month" and Where to Turn: Limits of Cultural Engagement

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Agreed that people should not be defined by their identity group, but unfortunately that is what members of identity groups themselves sometimes do. Therefore the Catholic teaching on homosexuality, which I practice, is seen as being bigotry.
 
Sorry you going through this, re my post earlier I think this is a good example of being silent, the bishop won’t loose his job but you could, I write this in support, and would pray silently knowing god is listening, but only my advice. God bless.
 
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My parish has an LGBT prayer and spirituality group. I don’t know what goes on in the meetings. But I’m glad that the priests are reaching out to people who want to return to the Catholic Church.
 
The last sentence is false. Church teaching is Church teaching.
 
The consistent message from the Church is that such events promote confusion, especially for the young.
 
During times like this, it is difficult to know who to ask. Some of the Priests and Princes of the church are compromised on this issue. So if you feel that way about your situation, I would suggest taking the question to our Lady through something like the Three Hail Mary devotions or through a St. Joseph novena, particularly if there is an element of risk either to your kids [exposure to a pride parade, and the ensuing questions or fallout] or to your career.

My life is non of my business. Left on my own, I will make the wrong decision. Most of us have responsibilities to see too, supporting our families, earning a paycheck, doing our due diligence at work. I have to at least TRY to ask God for guidance. I think that is important. Converse with God about it. God knows how thickheaded I can be so I look for answers that are clear, and at the same time exercise a little common sense.

Standing up for the faith as an accountant may look a lot different than someone who makes wedding cakes or issues marriage licenses for their state. Choose your battles,… carefully and prayfully.
 
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My parish has an LGBT prayer and spirituality group. I don’t know what goes on in the meetings. But I’m glad that the priests are reaching out to people who want to return to the Catholic Church.
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It would depend on whether it was Catholic spirituality, for LGBT persons, or LGBT spirituality.

With other kinds of groups, I have seen outreach programs that are good. I have seen others that are not
 
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According to the parish bulletin, the group helps members grow in hope with one another through prayer, sacraments, community, and service. A priest leads the group.

It sounds pretty positive to me.
 
Pride week has become pride month. Maybe it’ll be pride year soon. Then pride decade. Then pride century.
The vast majority of people are tired of this constant mention of people’s sexuality. They just don’t have the guts to say it for fear of the mobs whipped up by the activists.
 
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Pride week is a different thing. Pride Month is in June and Pride Week will vary depending on the city. There are very few activities (like concerts, parade) during Pride Month but Pride Week (in August where I live) is packed with activities.
 
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But the answer addressing past wrongs is not to limit the rights of others. it’s not the fault of the Catholic Church, particularly current Catholics who had no part in this, that Protestants taught what they did in the past.
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Oh, but it is. If people who were LGBTQ had to hide who they were, pretend to be something they weren’t to avoid being shunned by the community, kicked out by their family, left to think that they might as well be dead, then yes, this is on the Catholic church. We are seeing the fruits of this today when LGBTQ persons have to create there own community, create a family to replace the ones that didn’t accept them.
 
So your argument is only Catholic families rejected their sons and daughters? Another broad brush application. And what about those families that didn’t?
 
Not “only,” but the Catholic church has been around longer than the others save for Judaism.
 
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And if it’s OK, then why isn’t it OK for white people to wear Halloween costumes of their favorite black characters? Or to wear blackface and parade down the street?
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Sorry, that is a WHOLE other issue. Though I’m not into them myself, Drag Queens are at best people in outlandish costumes or entertainers. No one thinks they (nor themselves) represent real women. Though being a woman, it does feel a bit like womanhood is being appropriated by men. That’s not to say though that men are also more constrained in what is considered proper male expression.

The history of Black Face is rooted deeply in slavery and “Minstrel Shows” The term Jim Crow Laws refers to a frequent character in these shows. Black people were shown as simpletons and other stereotypes, by very frequently white actors. People believed these shows represented what black people were. Do you see the problem here? You may as well use the N-word here.

Women have certainly experienced some oppression. But it has been nothing like enslavement, sub-human status, 2nd class citizenship, and plain brutality. No one really believes Drag Queens represent true femininity.
 
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Before 1973, what was the American Psychiatric Association telling people? I was there for the time period. People were still respectful regarding authority. So Frank Kameny and other radical gay activists get into the APA’s annual meeting using forged passes and tell them that they are declaring war on them? Was that science in action?
 
There were no Catholics or other Christians in the APA membership? They weren’t a tiny bit influenced by their religion?

Science here is playing catch-up because LGBTQ persons were hidden or at best treated curiosities, something less than. It’s difficult to understand a person or group when it’s not safe for them to disclose or when they are only looked at what is wrong with them and ignore what is right.
 
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And although gay pride events have often had a political element to them, they haven’t just been about sending a political message to straight people. They were also held so that gay people themselves could come together with other people like themselves and have fun for a day in the midst of a society that was largely hostile to them.
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For people that aren’t aware of the origins of Pride Parades, look up the Stonewall Riot. Sex with some one of the same gender was illegal in New York at the time. Being “out” was a very dangerous proposition and finding any safe place to have sex was hard. One of the main places people met were seedy Mob run bars. Police frequently shook these places up and did mass arrests; one of these places was the “Stonewall”. The patrons managed to repel one of these raids and this resulted in further uprisings. Subsequently a number of “gay” organization were formed and the next year on the anniversary of Stonewall the first parade was held. This is why they are so important to the LGBTQ community.
 
Have you looked into any of the decades long studies conducted by the APA? They didn’t create the diagnosis because no gay person was seeing them. They had to observe and evaluate. There is/was no catch-up. ‘Here’s a patient’ and what? Don’t talk to him? Of course they interviewed gay people. If anywhere, a psychiatrist was trusted to keep whatever he was told confidential.
 
A thoughtful and useful reply. Many thanks for taking the time to share it.
 
If a person saw a psychiatrist and the patient was gay and suffered from depression the psychiatrist could come up with erroneous conclusions and they did.
 
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