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OurLadyDaughter
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What Protestants did is on the Catholic Church? Huh?
"Pride Month" and Where to Turn: Limits of Cultural Engagement
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edwest211
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That’s only your view.
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njlisa
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@ATraveller
The numbers contradict what you’re saying. The ship has sailed.
God bless you,
Lisa
The Pew Research Center, a highly respected polling group, states that “about two-thirds of white mainline Protestants (66%) now support same-sex marriage, as do a similar share of Catholics (61%).”
The rate of Catholic approval matches the national average.
Dear Friend in Christ:
The numbers contradict what you’re saying. The ship has sailed.
God bless you,
Lisa
The Pew Research Center, a highly respected polling group, states that “about two-thirds of white mainline Protestants (66%) now support same-sex marriage, as do a similar share of Catholics (61%).”
The rate of Catholic approval matches the national average.
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edwest211
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Catholic approval? Do you have any idea of the tactics used ‘to bring the numbers up’?
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njlisa
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@commenter
According to the parish bulletin, the group helps members grow in hope with one another through prayer, sacraments, community, and service. A priest leads the group.
I hope this helps.
God bless you, friend in Christ.
According to the parish bulletin, the group helps members grow in hope with one another through prayer, sacraments, community, and service. A priest leads the group.
I hope this helps.
God bless you, friend in Christ.
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OurLadyDaughter
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I think that sounds excellent. More parishes should do this.
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Bruised_Reed
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Right back at ya.
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Bruised_Reed
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Only to a degree. Any denomination could have ministered to marginalized groups. But I speak primarily of the Catholic church because the size and scope of the church and it’s what I know best.
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OurLadyDaughter
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Okay, I see what you’re saying here. Like I said upthread, the Catholic Church could do much more with outreach and should have been doing so all along. I hope groups like were mentioned by another member increase.
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VanitasVanitatum
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Do you think this applies to blackface?
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ATraveller
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Support for laws is different from having something constantly being mentioned. There are many people who hold a libertarian attitude but are tired of it being mentioned constantly and randomly. There have been no polls that directly address this but why are there two separate pride events? Why not even one for Japanese Americans (and Canadians too)? They were treated quite badly too. A lot of people are expressing sentiments like this privately.
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OurLadyDaughter
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I am now muting replies as this has gone waaaaayyyy off topic from the specific question I posted. Thank you for all who posted a thoughtful reply and who shared their experiences.
If you are human, you are my brother or sister. God bless.
If you are human, you are my brother or sister. God bless.
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Peeps
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Nope, won’t fly.
BLACKFACE, for many decades in the U.S., was just entertainment and not just something that racists did.
There is a wonderful chapter in one of Laura Ingalls Wilder’s precious “Little House” books (Little Town on the Prairie, to be specific) where her Pa and the other men in the town of De Smet, South Dakota, dressed up in blackface and performed the best show of the winter–a minstrel show.
I’m frankly surprised that the intelligentsia in the U.S. haven’t condemned the town of De Smet and called for a boycott of the town and of Wilder’s beloved books. It’s going to happen, at least the boycott. Already, at least one award for children’s literature that used to bear Wilder’s name has been changed to a different name because the feeling is that she is prejudiced against Native Americans. Just wait
'til those Safeguards of Children groups come across the “Minstrel Show Incident!” (They must not have read that far in the series yet!) Wilder’s books will be burned in Central Park!
Here’s the deal, Thorolfr–Milton Berle and his cronies, including Tom Cruise, dressed up like women specifically to ENTERTAIN. The men dressing up like women and parading down our city street were not out to “entertain” anyone. They were out to shock people and DARE anyone who disagrees with PRIDE month to come forward–and in so doing, lose their job, reputation, membership in any clubs or organizations, status in the community, possibly their church membership, and many of their friends, and be known as a “hater” for the rest of their lives.
BLACKFACE, for many decades in the U.S., was just entertainment and not just something that racists did.
There is a wonderful chapter in one of Laura Ingalls Wilder’s precious “Little House” books (Little Town on the Prairie, to be specific) where her Pa and the other men in the town of De Smet, South Dakota, dressed up in blackface and performed the best show of the winter–a minstrel show.
I’m frankly surprised that the intelligentsia in the U.S. haven’t condemned the town of De Smet and called for a boycott of the town and of Wilder’s beloved books. It’s going to happen, at least the boycott. Already, at least one award for children’s literature that used to bear Wilder’s name has been changed to a different name because the feeling is that she is prejudiced against Native Americans. Just wait
'til those Safeguards of Children groups come across the “Minstrel Show Incident!” (They must not have read that far in the series yet!) Wilder’s books will be burned in Central Park!
Here’s the deal, Thorolfr–Milton Berle and his cronies, including Tom Cruise, dressed up like women specifically to ENTERTAIN. The men dressing up like women and parading down our city street were not out to “entertain” anyone. They were out to shock people and DARE anyone who disagrees with PRIDE month to come forward–and in so doing, lose their job, reputation, membership in any clubs or organizations, status in the community, possibly their church membership, and many of their friends, and be known as a “hater” for the rest of their lives.
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VanitasVanitatum
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Throloft said
so that objection is irrelevant. To further clarify, the person would wear it for fun rather than to portray black people.
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njlisa
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Here is a sampling of some of the parades. I would list more, but I would exceed the CAF word limit.
National Puerto Rican Day
Columbus Day (Italian)
St. Patrick’s Day
West Indian Day
Chinese New Year
India Day
Greek Independence Day
Pakistan Day
Sikh Day
German American Steuben
Japan Day
Plus there are several months dedicated history: black, women’s, Hispanic. I’m sure there are others.
I live in near New York City, and there are numerous ethnic pride events.
Here is a sampling of some of the parades. I would list more, but I would exceed the CAF word limit.
National Puerto Rican Day
Columbus Day (Italian)
St. Patrick’s Day
West Indian Day
Chinese New Year
India Day
Greek Independence Day
Pakistan Day
Sikh Day
German American Steuben
Japan Day
Plus there are several months dedicated history: black, women’s, Hispanic. I’m sure there are others.
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Richard_White
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One thing I learned from taking a course on St. Augustine is that he distinguishes between the Church as it is now and the Church as it will be at the end of time - in other words, the eschatological Church. In the Church of the here and now, the wheat and the chaff are still together and there is nothing we can do about it. The faithful and the faithless remain together, and it is not our job to parse one from the other. There is no perfection to be found here. In the eschatological Church, however, God will separate the good from the evil and it is only then that the Church will reach its end - perfection in the life of God.
As such, we ought to just do our best to minister God’s Word and Love through our lives of witness and service. We must leave the rest to the Spirit. People will live as they wish to live and believe as they wish to believe. We can’t avoid these things, and although we should not embrace them, we can live side by side with them without worry.
May God bless you all!
As such, we ought to just do our best to minister God’s Word and Love through our lives of witness and service. We must leave the rest to the Spirit. People will live as they wish to live and believe as they wish to believe. We can’t avoid these things, and although we should not embrace them, we can live side by side with them without worry.
May God bless you all!
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ATraveller
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Yeah but how many actually get the same level of attention and promoted to the same extent internationally. Aside from St. Patrick’s Day, of course, which is really just an excuse for many to get drunk and not really celebrating Irish culture.
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claudine
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In the USA about 4.5 of people are lesbian or gay.
I think it is important to reflect for a moment or two on this information.
I think it is important to reflect for a moment or two on this information.
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njlisa
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@ATraveller
Being that I am of the (half) Puerto Rican persuasion, I watch the live coverage of the parade. Big celebrities (such as Jennifer López) do live commentary. I would never attend any parade in the city. I was nearly crushed at the Village Halloween Parade. (Don’t ask.
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In addition to St. Patrick’s Day, Columbus Day, Puerto Rican Day, and Chinese New Year are HUGE.
Being that I am of the (half) Puerto Rican persuasion, I watch the live coverage of the parade. Big celebrities (such as Jennifer López) do live commentary. I would never attend any parade in the city. I was nearly crushed at the Village Halloween Parade. (Don’t ask.
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