"Pride Month" and Where to Turn: Limits of Cultural Engagement

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PJH_74 said:
I can give you one simple answer. Having brown eyes never got you arrested nor lost a good portion of your family and friend relationships.
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But that’s not a point of pride. If a person can suffer those things and rise above, ok. There’s something to be proud of with that, I suppose. Just as someone who grew up in any kind of abusive life and became successful in spite of it should be proud.

However, there’s nothing inherently special about being born gay any more than there is in being born straight. Gay people aren’t special. Straight people aren’t special.
 
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understand the sentiment, but for the most part I think pride is a matter of accomplishment.
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While I think Pride parades do acknowledge the accomplishments of those who have worked to gain rights and protections (from discrimination when getting and keeping housing, jobs, and now healthcare is an issue) Pride is the opposite of being ashamed.
 
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If we are talking about sexism…why not help me fight pay inequity, judgement of women by looks, “boys will be boys” culture, blaming women for their own rape, and many other things?
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Yes, of course.
 
I wish there could be a Catholic Pride Parade. But I’m afraid that the designation would just be taken as a parade for Catholics who practice deviant sexuality. So maybe there could just be a Catholic Corpus Christi Parade through downtown. That would be good. Something to show pride in Catholicism.
 
OK then, make it a humility parade featuring the Blessed Sacrament.
 
Origin and history of parades is an interesting and worthwhile read.
 
Why not? These used to be a regular thing right? I participated in one when i lived in DC. Led a decade of the Rosary even.
 
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It could just be a procession and those are done sometimes.
 
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In my city the Pride activities are heavily politicized. It’s not just a question of persons wanting access to things, but imposing their will on others. For instance there are many local agencies that make gay couples Foster and adoptive parents, but they demanded and celebrated the forced closing of Catholic Charities foster care.

The same people who organize and participate in Gay Pride events, including politicians and media, also run the “choice” celebrations.

So even if you only intend to affirm human dignity, you are, in effect, supporting a larger agenda.
 
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Anyone sttending a gay pride event being lumped in with all the prochoice etc, groups as well. What else?
 
on_the_hill said:
However, there’s nothing inherently special about being born gay any more than there is in being born straight. Gay people aren’t special. Straight people aren’t special.
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I guess that all these events are having the desired effect. People don’t attend them to be treated differently. They want to be treated the same. When we get to the point where a gay parade is an anachronism, then we’ll all be in a better place.
 
Lots of gay people or people who have same sex attraction do not go anywhere near pride type events as they feel these events do not represent them.

TV gives us the impression that most heterosexual young men lose their virginity at 15 or 16. And by the time they are 19 or 20 they have had multiple sexual partners. Then by the time they are 40 they will of lived with multiple woman and maybe of had children with various mothers. This is not the way all heterosexual men live. It might be the way the media thinks they should aspire to, but not everyone lives in this way.

In a similar way gay people are expected to have have multiple sexual partners. To meet up with other men just for sex. To visit places were the reason to go there is just for sex with a stranger. There are men and women who want to tell you that they are gay before they tell you anything else about themselves. Its as if the fact that they have same sex attraction is way more important that anything else. However there are others who are celibate or in long term committed relationships and don’t wear the fact that they are gay as a badge and have no desire to advertise the fact. And would rather run away than go anywhere near a pride event.

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Lots of people who, several years ago would have attended a parade to make America great again, would not now attend a parade to Make America Great Again. Now it means something better, or worse.

Lots of people would have said “I support Pro Choice” years ago, when that meant job opportunities. Now, it means something horribly different.

Pride events now have a different meaning than they used to.
 
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For instance there are many local agencies that make gay couples Foster and adoptive parents, but they demanded and celebrated the forced closing of Catholic Charities foster care.
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This is sad and unjust. Same sex couples purposely deny a child a mom or a dad, but Catholic adoption agencies are shut down because they follow Catholic teaching about family.
 
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For instance there are many local agencies that make gay couples Foster and adoptive parents, but they demanded and celebrated the forced closing of Catholic Charities foster care.
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This is sad and unjust. Same sex couples purposely deny a child a mom or a dad, but Catholic adoption agencies are shut down because they follow Catholic teaching about family.
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There were several other agencies in my city that do same sex Foster and adoptive couples, and Charities was fully willing to refer couples to them. But a few people applied to Charities, for the specific purpose of getting them shut down, at least that part of the agency.
 
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