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Elf01
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To be fair so do single parent adoptions and I believe Catholic agencies allowed those.
"Pride Month" and Where to Turn: Limits of Cultural Engagement
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JimG
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Yes, single parent adoptions can be acceptable. But Catholic Charities will not adopt children to same sex couples.
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Elf01
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Single parent adoptions also deny a child a mother or father, so why are they allowed?
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JimG
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As I understand it, the policy is to place children in a family with a mom and a dad whenever possible. If that’s not possible, they can be placed with a single parent. But I recall that the pope once said that placing a child with a same sex couple was a form of child abuse, because it placed the child into a deliberately immoral situation.
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meltzerboy2
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Here’s what I think you should try to do: understand that people have different opinions about all sorts of issues; refrain from engaging in conversations with those who are diehard opponents of your own beliefs; if others are open to discuss different points of view, engage them but don’t expect to persuade them; realize that you are not responsible for your favorite team’s or organization’s views on every issue and do not feel guilty by participating in their activities; seek support from others who validate your own worldview; enjoy life and do for others, even those who fundamentally disagree with you; do not allow the world to discourage you and put a damper on your own beliefs and feelings.
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PJH_74
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Maybe the point that is missing is that, especially in the first number of decades, this was about surviving abuse. This a little less so now, but many respondents here seem to be under the impression that being LGBTQ is now some social walk in the park, it’s not.
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JanetF
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To answer the original post, I’m lucky to live in medium-sized metropolitan area, so I can be picky about my employer. I work for a Jesuit university and though they could be more in line with catholic teaching in some aspects, I support the mission in it’s entirety. If your job necessitates you being quiet about your personal beliefs, and you don’t have the luxury of multiple choices of employment, then I think God will understand when you keep silent when these issues are discussed. Obviously if you witness something egregious. or were asked to compromise your principles with action, you would be compelled to speak up.
As far as MLB goes, you might want to avoid going to any games this month as there will likely be some sort of recognition at the games. However I don’t think you have to stop watching baseball. You don’t want it for the political messages after all. You watch for the entertainment of the sport, right? So continue watching for that reason, and mute the TV when something comes on that you dislike. I do this when listening to the radio/watching TV and ads come on for birth control, etc. The only time I get too worked up about it is if all the commercials of a show are the same (for mirena device, etc). Then I have been known to write a letter to the CEO of the network and let them know my dissatisfaction. No idea if it makes a difference, but at least I shared by thoughts.
As far as MLB goes, you might want to avoid going to any games this month as there will likely be some sort of recognition at the games. However I don’t think you have to stop watching baseball. You don’t want it for the political messages after all. You watch for the entertainment of the sport, right? So continue watching for that reason, and mute the TV when something comes on that you dislike. I do this when listening to the radio/watching TV and ads come on for birth control, etc. The only time I get too worked up about it is if all the commercials of a show are the same (for mirena device, etc). Then I have been known to write a letter to the CEO of the network and let them know my dissatisfaction. No idea if it makes a difference, but at least I shared by thoughts.
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njlisa
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I’ve never laughed harder at any other play in my life. As a woman, I didn’t feel insulted. He was doing a parody.
I saw an off-Broadway one-man show staring the actor John Epperson. He plays a female character named Lypsinka. He comes out in these outlandish female costumes and makeup and lipsynics old movie lines, commercials, and other off-the-wall lines. The show is completely clean. He considers himself an actor who plays this character.
I’ve never laughed harder at any other play in my life. As a woman, I didn’t feel insulted. He was doing a parody.
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joyousone
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To the thread opener I have no answers for you but I want you to know that you are not alone. The very same issues engage me.
I live in Ireland. The faith has collapsed and with the exception of the old and a largely Eastern European remnant of young people the Faith is now either ignored totally or engaged with purely on an inherited “hatch match and dispatch” level.
This wholesale disengagement by the Irish has resulted in literally every major political party pivoting towards the anti catholic line on on social issues. Unless a “traditional catholic” happens to run as an independent I literally have no one to vote for…do I disengage or is that defeatist? Do I vote and give credence to a system which produces awful results? Who knows.
I live in Ireland. The faith has collapsed and with the exception of the old and a largely Eastern European remnant of young people the Faith is now either ignored totally or engaged with purely on an inherited “hatch match and dispatch” level.
This wholesale disengagement by the Irish has resulted in literally every major political party pivoting towards the anti catholic line on on social issues. Unless a “traditional catholic” happens to run as an independent I literally have no one to vote for…do I disengage or is that defeatist? Do I vote and give credence to a system which produces awful results? Who knows.
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Pattylt
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What were the other options for medical doctors performing bloodletting? Enemas for humour imbalances? Medical knowledge has come a long way and psychiatry is an infant compared to other fields. The father wasn’t doing anything wrong…the diagnosis and treatment was wrong.
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edwest211
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Incorrect. You are attempting to overwrite history. Tell me: What made the APA decide in 1973 to reclassify homosexuality?
Tis_Bearself
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I have tried to explain this to people. It mostly falls on deaf ears unfortunately.
At the same time, I think there are a subset of gay people who for whatever reason are very angry and just want to shut down any person or institution that doesn’t agree with them. The good news is I meet just as many or more gay people who don’t agree with that approach and just want to live and let live.
Tis_Bearself
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Anyway, when you see a rainbow, just imagine Jesus enthroned on it, like this
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esieffe
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What is so worrisome is movements, even good movements like MADD, Save the ________s, “Reunite Gondwond Land” and so on start off with a good intentions, and then slowly turn into something else. In the case of MADD, once they cleared many hurdles, they started turning the screws a little too tight. The founder of MADD protested the direction they were going in and then she was run off. This is just an example.
Gays at one time were tormented, arrested, in some cases tortured and killed. Those times have come and gone, and now the movement has become oppressive. Now cakemakers are run out of business etc. At the root of all of these things going bad is greed. Greed for money, greed for power, and sometimes even plain old payback or good ole revenge.
Things will almost always go this way. We are fallen. All we can do, all there is to do is to resist with the means we have at our disposal. Prayer, email, donations, counter causes etc. We get to stop resisting when we shuffle off the mortal coil.
None of this should come as a surprise to anyone, the state of affairs in the church, in the country etc. All in the Bible. We just have to understand all of this and resist when and where it is appropriate to God’s desires.
I should state for the record, I agree with the church that SSA is not sinful, that any sex outside a valid marriage is wrong. If you can’t “resist” without doing it according to all ten of the commandments, then you are part of the problem.
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puppson
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We must make no mistake–the devil is the puppetmaster pulling the strings in advancing the homosexual / “transgender” ideology. But he will, ultimately, be defeated, just as predicted.
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Peeps
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On the surface, this sounds good and sensible.
But I have a problem with in a supposedly “free” country like the U.S. I see nothing in your paragraph about attempting to bring change about for the sake of righteousness.
During the years that the Nazis occupied Germany and almost all of Europe, the people used the expression “talk behind the hands.” They didn’t dare speak out openly against the Nazi atrocities, the brutal treatment of the Jews and other despised peoples, the indoctrination of their children, the obvious intention of the Fuhrer to go to war.
Instead, they talked “behind their hands,” in whispers, and were extremely careful about who they talked to, because a “friend” might be a Nazi informer, and the conversation would lead to the arrest, imprisonment, and possibly even the execution of the person who dared to object and wish for a more compassionate government.
I hate to think that we in the U.S. have to “talk behind our hands” about behaviors that have been considered sinful since God revealed His law to Moses thousands of years ago, and since the Lord Jesus died and rose again and established His Church here on earth to preach the Gospel of forgiveness of sins to all the world.
We did not decide that homosexual acts were sinful–God did.
If we see someone heading towards a deadly situation, we should try to stop them, right? If we didn’t speak up and warn them, we could hardly call ourselves “loving” and “peacemakers,” could we?
I realize that those of us who have families to support, debts to pay, or responsibilities towards others cannot throw it all away by carelessly speaking out against what has become a sacred normality in current American culture. However, we need to always keep it in our mind that our practicing homosexual friends and loved ones eventually have to answer to God, and so do we, if we fail to warn them.
Tis_Bearself
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Gay people aren’t looking to kill anybody.
If anything, we Christians should have been speaking out on their behalf during the decades when it was socially okay to malign, bully and brutalize LGBTQ people. In fact, we should be speaking against that when we see it right now.
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KyPerson
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I had to face a dilemma at work. I order books for the library. It’s a library that supports the teacher education program and in teacher education, diversity is the be all and end all of everything. Of course, gay rights is part of the diversity movement and you would probably be amazed at all the gay friendly books that are published for children. I don’t want to order them, but when teachers in the program want them ordered, I have to do it. So I asked council from a priest. He told me that if the teachers ask for the books, then I have to get them and the onus is on the teacher. But when I can choose book myself, I should look in other directions. And I do that.
And, to add a little to the other poster’s reply:
Maybe homosexual acts are sinful. But there’s a limit to what we can do regarding what others do.
The people who are likely to go to Pride events very likely know what Catholics and other Christians believe. My going up to them at the event and preaching to them might get something like “that’s your faith; it’s not mine”; it might even create hostilities. In other words, they’re not going to suddenly become Catholics and follow the Catholic faith.
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Pattylt
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It was a conspiracy of homosexual journalists demanding that they remove the classification of homosexuality as a disorder…or, they realized they were wrong.
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