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Delphinus
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I think every generation asks this…I know I have!
I trust in Jesus through this. He’s made his intentions clear, things may get bad but they can’t go that bad with him at the helm!
"Pride Month" and Where to Turn: Limits of Cultural Engagement
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I trust in Jesus through this. He’s made his intentions clear, things may get bad but they can’t go that bad with him at the helm!
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Wozza
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Two young girls were beaten on a London bus yesterday. I won’t postbtge picture of their bloodied faces as it might be too upsetting. But check the link to see yourself.
"As news of the attack began to spread, thousands took to social media to express solidarity with the couple. “Melania and Chris” trended in the United Kingdom on Friday with many also explaining “this is why we still pride”. London Pride, a month of LGBT+ events culminating in a massive parade on July 6, begins June 8. Gay couple says they were attacked after refusing to kiss in front of male gang
To repeat, when this abhorrent behaviour finally stops, then we will not have a needleaders who speak out and the need for support groups. And no need for gay pride.
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The topic of Pride Month was discussed on the radio talk show here the other night. The gay guy who called in said that it’s not about being “raunchy” so much as it’s about family and community, and one of the hosts (who’s been to these events) said that the “over the top” stuff is more the exception than the rule.
I was just reading yesterday about some of the abuse that some of these people had to deal with in the past:
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With this kind of a historical backdrop, and with these incidents that happen even now, I can see why they may think they need Pride Month.
Maybe we still need Pride Month. Maybe there are still people out there who need to be educated a little bit.
You know, I think that says a lot right there.
I was just reading yesterday about some of the abuse that some of these people had to deal with in the past:
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And also, in one of the early Pride parades people had rocks thrown at them.
With this kind of a historical backdrop, and with these incidents that happen even now, I can see why they may think they need Pride Month.
Maybe we still need Pride Month. Maybe there are still people out there who need to be educated a little bit.
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meltzerboy2
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And many of the things you mention happened in places like NYC, which showed little tolerance for gay people. In much of the rest of the country, however, gay people were not only deprived of their civil and human rights, but had to be on guard for their very lives if they were perceived to be gay.
But, is it really a “pro-homosexual agenda”?
Or is it something like diversity? Tolerance? Anti-bullying? Community?
If LGBT are paying money to attend that school, they should be able to get their schoolwork done and live in peace like everyone else.
catholic03
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Cardinal Ratzinger, before he became the Holy Father, wrote:
“But the proper reaction to crimes committed against homosexual persons should not be to claim that the homosexual condition is not disordered. When such a claim is made and when homosexual activity is consequently condoned, or when civil legislation is introduced to protect behaviour to which no one has any conceivable right, neither the Church nor society at large should be surprised when other distorted notions and practices gain ground, and irrational and violent reactions increase.”
“But the proper reaction to crimes committed against homosexual persons should not be to claim that the homosexual condition is not disordered. When such a claim is made and when homosexual activity is consequently condoned, or when civil legislation is introduced to protect behaviour to which no one has any conceivable right, neither the Church nor society at large should be surprised when other distorted notions and practices gain ground, and irrational and violent reactions increase.”
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VanitasVanitatum
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You need to find issues that are happening now in the U.S. not digging up some old news.
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meltzerboy2
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My post was in reply to another that noted the difficult past of gay people in the U.S. and why a pride month may be warranted due to the challenges these people have faced for a long time.
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VanitasVanitatum
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Doesn’t look like it is as warranted now.
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meltzerboy2
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In that case, do you believe that ethnic pride parades are also not so necessary anymore because various ethnic groups have become assimilated into the mainstream society and are no longer discriminated against? For example, the Puerto Rican Day parade, the Haitian parade, the Columbus Day parade, the St. Patrick’s Day parade, Oktoberfest, Israel Day parade, and so on?
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Peeps
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Parades are relatively short events (except for the parade at Monroe Cheese Days in Monroe Wisconsin–that parade lasts for hours and hours–but it’s fun!).
So if for some reason, you are opposed to the parade, you can stay away for a few hours (unless they throw candy–then go anyway and get as much candy as you can!).
Pride Month is not short.
Also, there is no “sin” associated with being of a certain nationality. But the practice of homosexual acts has been called a sin since the time of the Old Testament. To “celebrate” sinful acts is despicable. I am offended by it and try to avoid any of the Pride events and festivities.
I think the best way for LGBTQ folks to avoid bullying and physical or other attacks is to hang out with true Christians, who will love them with no strings attached. Having a whole month of activities, events, etc. is kind of in-your-face, especially when for 2000 years of human history, practicing homosexuality and other sexual aberrations has been considered a sin by quite a few of the major religions.
In case you’re wondering, several of my good friends are gay. When you do music, you will hang out with non-heterosexuals! I would never dream of challenging their choices, but I do pray for them and I love them unconditionally–I don’t expect that one day, they will repent and change. But I do hope that I give them no reasons to reject Christianity.
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meltzerboy2
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Well, insofar as the length of the ceremonies, Black History Month and Women’s History Month are also long. The funny thing about all these ceremonies and celebrations–Blacks, women, gays–is that it is the outside society and culture that gave them the reason for their existence; an external culture that discriminated against (even murdered, mainly in the case of Blacks) members of all three groups. Without that mainstream culture, we would not need a Black History Month, a Women’s History Month, or a Gay Pride Month. So it is the predominantly White, male, heterosexual society that is the real origin of all of these events and celebrations. I would also add–and I know I’m on shaky and risky ground here–the mainstream religious environment as well, which often held these groups at arm’s length, and, if not actively discriminating against them, then passively and tacitly giving consent to others to treat them as outsiders and out-groups. So it is, in part, religious folk who are responsible for the havoc they have wrought.
But I also know your intentions are good and you truly believe in your religious teachings. I certainly cannot fault you for that and would never think of doing so. Remember though that loving someone, apart from wishing them well and praying for them, also means allowing them the dignity to live their lives according to their moral values, even if they do not conform to your own, so long as by doing so they are not harming you in a direct manner.
But I also know your intentions are good and you truly believe in your religious teachings. I certainly cannot fault you for that and would never think of doing so. Remember though that loving someone, apart from wishing them well and praying for them, also means allowing them the dignity to live their lives according to their moral values, even if they do not conform to your own, so long as by doing so they are not harming you in a direct manner.
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Zach
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I forgot about pride month until I went to the local library and right there in the main display in front was a big sign promoting pride month with about a dozen related books on the table. The whole thing was hideous as is the pride month and the parades. I haven’t been in a school for over thirty five years so I can only imagine how much of this nonsense takes place in schools. I feel fortunate that it wasn’t going on back when I was in school. At least at the library I can get my books and leave, but in a school students are stuck there dealing with all this political correctness, propaganda, and promoting and pushing, if not glorifying, an agenda for a lifestyle which as a Catholic I believe leads to sin. This all applies to pride month and the parades too.
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VanitasVanitatum
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Yes, sure.
Tis_Bearself
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I have to be honest here. Pride Month doesn’t bother me or affect me at all. Never did and probably won’t going forward. I don’t tend to participate in it since I’m not gay and don’t have any super close gay friends or relatives, but I am unconcerned about its existence.
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Wozza
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Ones that compare it to paedophilia or cancer? Ones that describe it as a mental illness? Ones that tell them that they are bound for hell? Ones that suggest that they can be cured? Ones who consider it intrinsically disordered? Ones who think that the APA has bowed to ‘gay pressure’? Ones who think that their views are being forced upon them? Ones who think that homosexuals have an agenda? Ones who would actively discriminate against them if they had sex? The ones that describe gay marches as rituals?
Those Christians?
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Peeps
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Those Christians who follow Jesus’ “new commandment”–Love one another…By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another."
Part of love is seeking the truth. For thousands of years, God has taught His people that homosexuality is not His plan for humans.
Certainly some Christians have used His teaching as a mandate to hate–hunt down, discriminate against, torture, and kill, homosexuals. That’s evil.
But to reject God’s teachings in the name of “love” is not love at all. Love always teaches and lives the Truth, not a sweet-sounding lie. This doesn’t give us license to discriminate or look down upon anyone. What it means is that we reject a lie.
I have plenty of besetting sins in my own life, and my soul is not always in alignment with God’s teachings. I have a tendency to overindulge in life’s physical pleasures, often allowing myself to be a glutton and abuse my body with too much food and too little physical activity. Although many of us laugh off this sin, it’s considered one of the “deadly sins”. When I give way to this sin, I am rejecting God’s plan for humans and telling Him that I know better than He does about my body–and that is sin.
So for me to preach to homosexuals and others who practice alternative sexualities would be hypocritical and mean-spirited.
I would never tell my homosexual couples that they are “living in sin.” I don’t tell heterosexual couples who are not married that they are “living in sin.”
However, if someone asks me, I will tell the truth, very softly, not with signs or t-shirts or a parade or with violence.
But most of the time, they don’t ask. Because I am Catholic (and before that, I was Evangelical Protestant), they know what I believe. And yet, they are still friends with me, and I’m honored that they include me in their circle. My homosexual friends are all musicians, and they work hard, know lots, and make beautiful music that I love to hear.
If homosexuals want acceptance as persons, they have to be willing to accept Christians as persons, and we both have to be free to disagree with each other and STILL be friends. That’s the biggest problem in the U.S. today–people who disagree with each other stop associating with each other, and this has created the horrible divisions in this country.
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Prodigal_Son
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If you’re not willing to serve gay people an ordinary cake, then you certainly do have issues with celibate (or otherwise chaste) sufferers of same-sex attraction. Since I don’t imagine you would refuse to bake a cake for straight people you knew were fornicating.
Or did you mean a wedding cake?
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Wozza
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That, to be honest, did not address the point I made.Wozza:
If homosexuals want acceptance as persons, they have to be willing to accept Christians as persons, and we both have to be free to disagree with each other and STILL be friends. That’s the biggest problem in the U.S. today–people who disagree with each other stop associating with each other, and this has created the horrible divisions in this country.
Do you reallly think that any gay person would want to associate themselves with the type of Christians that I listed. Which was not a random list that I made up to make a point. They are all Christians who have expressed views as I noted in this thread and others like it.
The views expressed demean people who have no choice about how they feel and to whom they are attracted. No more than you do. Whether you acted on your attractions or not, how would you feel about them being described as disordered? How would you feel about someone telling you that you need to be ‘cured’? How would you feel to be mentioned in the same sentence as paedophiles?
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Wozza
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Good point. Should all Christian bakers and others who serve the public issue a questionnaire before they produce the goods?catholic03:
If you’re not willing to serve gay people an ordinary cake, then you certainly do have issues with celibate (or otherwise chaste) sufferers of same-sex attraction. Since I don’t imagine you would refuse to bake a cake for straight people you knew were fornicating.
Or did you mean a wedding cake?
Do you, or have you ever:
Been divorced?
Had oral sex?
Had sex outside of marriage?
Masturbated?
Used contraception?
Watched porn?
Etc etc. Add a few as you feel are necessary. Print it out. Stick it in the shop window. Make sure that you say at the top that any of the above will result in you not being served. Purely as a matter of religious conviction, of course.
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