Priest says no Kneeling, prefer no receiving Communion on tongue

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We have an old priest who says one of the weekend masses. He told people that they could not receive communion kneeling down, that it is not written anywhere that this is allowed. All it does is mess up the communion line and causes the person behind you to trip over your feet. He also said that receiving on the tongue was disgusting and unsanitary because he invariably got saliva all over his fingers and then had to dig in for another host. The saliva ends up on the next person’s host. He says it also increases the chance of dropping the host. (I haven’t noticed any difference. I’ve seen him drop hosts several times for people who receive in the hand, too.) He says that there is no reason to receive communion on the tongue.

His last words in mass were that if you couldn’t hear what he had to say, you might as well have stayed in bed.

I know that Jimmy Aikins has said that a person can kneel for communion. He said it was in the 2010 GIRM, but I can’t find it anywhere. Can anyone recommend a source?
I personally would attend another parish. But that’s me. That’s as charitable as I can be regarding this topic.
Why do people want to kneel and receive on the tongue?
Because that is the King of Kings we’re recieving - that’s why. I genuflect before I recieve the Blessed Sacrament because Christ is my King and Savior.

The priest’s hands were consecrated at his ordination. I have had no such blessing, and therefore am UNWORTHY to touch Jesus Christ in any other way except on the tongue. If someone else feels confortable enough to take the Holy Eucharist into their hands, good for them. MY comfort level just won’t allow that. I haven’t recieved in the hand for years and never will again.
 
Because that is the King of Kings we’re recieving - that’s why. I genuflect before I recieve the Blessed Sacrament because Christ is my King and Savior.

The priest’s hands were consecrated at his ordination. I have had no such blessing, and therefore am UNWORTHY to touch Jesus Christ in any other way except on the tongue. If someone else feels confortable enough to take the Holy Eucharist into their hands, good for them. MY comfort level just won’t allow that. I haven’t recieved in the hand for years and never will again.
I don’t think it’s a matter of being unworthy to touch Him, because no matter how we receive we are still unworthy. However, every particle of the Eucharist is the complete Body, Blood, Soul, and Divinity of Christ. A crumb is the same as an entire host. When we receive on the hands, crumbs can get loose. Therefore, the most surefire way to protect Jesus from being trampled by our feet when a crumb falls to the ground is to receive on the tongue to prevent it from happening.

I’ve seen people grow complacent from reception on the hands. Communion becomes a routine act rather than a special, uniquely personal and spiritual one. Some priests are so eager to get the line done quickly that the faithful miss the importance of appreciating the sacrament. Kneeling to receive is a deeper reminder of what we are doing and Who we are receiving.
 
I don’t think it’s a matter of being unworthy to touch Him,
I do.
…no matter how we receive we are still unworthy.
Very true. Good point.
However, every particle of the Eucharist is the complete Body, Blood, Soul, and Divinity of Christ. A crumb is the same as an entire host. When we receive on the hands, crumbs can get loose. Therefore, the most surefire way to protect Jesus from being trampled by our feet when a crumb falls to the ground is to receive on the tongue to prevent it from happening.
Also very true. I can’t add anything to this.
 
There is one youngish man (somewhere in his thirties) that does kneel Holy Communion at our Sunday Mass. But he is also an EMHC and brings Holy Communion to the homebound. After Mass, he goes up to the Tabernacle and helps himself to Hosts out of the ciborium. I don’t understand why he kneels for Holy Communion and receives on the tongue. :confused:
I would guess this: When he receives himself he does it as he is personally inclined, as is his right. When he is an extraordinary minister of Holy Communion, he does as he is told to do by those with authority over him, instead, as is his duty.
 
I don’t think it’s a matter of being unworthy to touch Him, because no matter how we receive we are still unworthy. However, every particle of the Eucharist is the complete Body, Blood, Soul, and Divinity of Christ. A crumb is the same as an entire host. When we receive on the hands, crumbs can get loose. Therefore, the most surefire way to protect Jesus from being trampled by our feet when a crumb falls to the ground is to receive on the tongue to prevent it from happening.
How likely is this to happen? I asked our acolyte about crumbs since he is the one who purifies. He told me they were non-existent. This is more likely to happen in those places that bake their own bread. The compressed host that are at most parishes have little to none chance of having crumbs. How many still have the patens? They are suppose to be used to prevent the very problem you bring up.
  1. The Communion-plate for the Communion of the faithful should be retained, so as to avoid the danger of the sacred host or some fragment of it falling.180
180 Cf. Missale Romanum, Institutio Generalis, n. 118.
I don’t know how many parishes still have them. I haven’t seen one for years and I go to many different parishes and dioceses. It makes me wonder if the above quote has been superseded by another rule?
I’ve seen people grow complacent from reception on the hands. Communion becomes a routine act rather than a special, uniquely personal and spiritual one. Some priests are so eager to get the line done quickly that the faithful miss the importance of appreciating the sacrament. Kneeling to receive is a deeper reminder of what we are doing and Who we are receiving.
I don’t think they are complacent because they receive on the hands. I do agree that Communion becomes routine with everyone going up to receive however, I must scold myself to not be judgmental. I also remind myself that my preference must be put aside to practice humility and obedience to the preference of the bishops.
 
I don’t often post on here, but I feel compelled to reply to some things on this thread. First, for those who do not know, I’m a priest. I have no preference for how my communicants receive. If someone presents him/herself for Holy Communion, I administer the sacrament in whichever way the communicant desires. However, a couple of points:

First,
The priest’s hands were consecrated at his ordination. I have had no such blessing, and therefore am UNWORTHY to touch Jesus Christ in any other way except on the tongue. If someone else feels confortable enough to take the Holy Eucharist into their hands, good for them. MY comfort level just won’t allow that. I haven’t recieved in the hand for years and never will again.
Even though I’m a priest, I too am unworthy to touch Jesus. As Augustine said, and I’ll modify it slightly, “For you, I am a priest; with you, I am a Christian.” I have no intention of picking on this poster, so please don’t take anything I say here personally. But, I’ve encountered this mentality before. It strikes me as Jansenistic. Jansenism is a heresy that tends to overemphasize our own sinfulness and unworthiness before God. The truth of the matter is that we are ALL unworthy to receive our Lord. With you, I too say the words, “Lord, I am not worthy that you should enter under my roof, but only say the word and my soul shall be healed.” So, to this poster, it’s true that your hands have not been consecrated as mine have been. However, neither your nor my mouth has been consecrated either. Yet, we welcome the Lord “under our roof,” not because of our worthiness, but in spite of our unworthiness.

Second, while it is true that I have no preference for how someone receives, I do think we have to ALWAYS examine our consciences and motives. I can’t read hearts. I can’t possibly know intentions. Someone may come up to communion in a very nonchalant manner, receive on the hand, mutter an almost inaudible, “Amen,” and keep on walking as though nothing has happened. Is this person being irreverent? Perhaps. But, could it also be the case that this person just had the proverbial week from hell? Could it be that the person’s mother died, he was fired from his job, and his child was just diagnosed with cancer all in the span of a few days, and it is all he can do to just get through the day? Yes. None of us know and all too often people are far less guilty than they appear. Likewise, it often APPEARS to me that people who insist on receiving on the tongue and kneeling are doing it for show, to appear, “holier than thou.” But, just like the nonchalant individual, I can’t know the intentions of the heart. Only the individual can know that. So, I try to always give people the benefit of the doubt. HOWEVER, I encourage all of us to examine our motives. Are we REALLY doing something out of love of the Lord? Or, deep down, are we doing it to win the esteem of men? That’s not a question I can answer, but it is one that we each MUST answer for ourselves.

Finally, as someone who regularly distributes the Holy Eucharist (and my parish is predominantly Hispanic, and Hispanic people, as a general rule, receive on the tongue), please, PLEASE, PLEASE I beg you, if you are going to receive on the tongue, do so properly. Those who also distribute Holy Communion will know what I mean when I talk about the “moving target,” the “biters,” and the “coin-slotters.” The Church allows us to receive ON THE TONGUE. That means actually sticking your tongue out and giving Father, or whomever, a target, a landing zone if you will. The Church does not allow us to receive in our teeth. We shouldn’t bite at the host. It is not uncommon for someone to simply open his/her mouth and not stick his/her tongue out. In these instances, yes, we do need to stick our fingers in your mother to get the host in there. Sometimes, people barely open their lips. These individuals are what I affectionately call the “coin-slotters,” because they give you a gap about as wide as the slot for a quarter on a vending machine. Some people move their head, tracking the host, as you go to place it on their tongue. Some people come forward with their hands extended and their mouth open, and I don’t know how they wish to receive.

I say these to be somewhat comical. But, it is true. In my experience, many people prefer to receive on the tongue. Great. More power to them. But, of those who choose to receive in this manner, it’s also my experience that the vast majority do it incorrectly.

As it pertains to the original point, I’ll reemphasize something I said earlier. Often, people are not as guilty as they appear. One of the reasons I read and post rather infrequently to these forae is that I don’t like how priests are treated. The sentiment I often read is, “Father’s wrong! You should write to the bishop! And if that fails, write to Rome!” Leaving aside the fact that no bishop that I know of has time to deal with every perceived liturgical abuse out there, we never hear the other side of the story. People are slow to listen and quick to judge when it comes to anything remotely resembling liturgical abuse. The reality is that most, and dare I say all, priests truly love the Lord and their people. They are trying to do the best they can with limited resources. We’re not perfect. We fail at our jobs, too. We don’t need criticisms; we need prayers.

Anyway, just my two cents. At the end of the day, the important thing isn’t how someone receives Jesus EXTERNALLY, but how we receive Him INTERNALLY. Are our hearts disposed? have we made a throne for Him on the inside and not merely on the outside?
 
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Thank you, Father. That was most illuminating.

Kind regards
Bart
 
I realize much of the pre Vatican II spirituality has been tossed side, but it was always emphasized to us that your external deportment mirrors your interior.
 
I don’t often post on here, but I feel compelled to reply to some things on this thread. First, for those who do not know, I’m a priest. I have no preference for how my communicants receive. If someone presents him/herself for Holy Communion, I administer the sacrament in whichever way the communicant desires. However, a couple of points:

First,

Even though I’m a priest, I too am unworthy to touch Jesus. As Augustine said, and I’ll modify it slightly, “For you, I am a priest; with you, I am a Christian.” I have no intention of picking on this poster, so please don’t take anything I say here personally. But, I’ve encountered this mentality before. It strikes me as Jansenistic. Jansenism is a heresy that tends to overemphasize our own sinfulness and unworthiness before God. The truth of the matter is that we are ALL unworthy to receive our Lord. With you, I too say the words, “Lord, I am not worthy that you should enter under my roof, but only say the word and my soul shall be healed.” So, to this poster, it’s true that your hands have not been consecrated as mine have been. However, neither your nor my mouth has been consecrated either. Yet, we welcome the Lord “under our roof,” not because of our worthiness, but in spite of our unworthiness.

Second, while it is true that I have no preference for how someone receives, I do think we have to ALWAYS examine our consciences and motives. I can’t read hearts. I can’t possibly know intentions. Someone may come up to communion in a very nonchalant manner, receive on the hand, mutter an almost inaudible, “Amen,” and keep on walking as though nothing has happened. Is this person being irreverent? Perhaps. But, could it also be the case that this person just had the proverbial week from hell? Could it be that the person’s mother died, he was fired from his job, and his child was just diagnosed with cancer all in the span of a few days, and it is all he can do to just get through the day? Yes. None of us know and all too often people are far less guilty than they appear. Likewise, it often APPEARS to me that people who insist on receiving on the tongue and kneeling are doing it for show, to appear, “holier than thou.” But, just like the nonchalant individual, I can’t know the intentions of the heart. Only the individual can know that. So, I try to always give people the benefit of the doubt. HOWEVER, I encourage all of us to examine our motives. Are we REALLY doing something out of love of the Lord? Or, deep down, are we doing it to win the esteem of men? That’s not a question I can answer, but it is one that we each MUST answer for ourselves.

Finally, as someone who regularly distributes the Holy Eucharist (and my parish is predominantly Hispanic, and Hispanic people, as a general rule, receive on the tongue), please, PLEASE, PLEASE I beg you, if you are going to receive on the tongue, do so properly. Those who also distribute Holy Communion will know what I mean when I talk about the “moving target,” the “biters,” and the “coin-slotters.” The Church allows us to receive ON THE TONGUE. That means actually sticking your tongue out and giving Father, or whomever, a target, a landing zone if you will. The Church does not allow us to receive in our teeth. We shouldn’t bite at the host. It is not uncommon for someone to simply open his/her mouth and not stick his/her tongue out. In these instances, yes, we do need to stick our fingers in your mother to get the host in there. Sometimes, people barely open their lips. These individuals are what I affectionately call the “coin-slotters,” because they give you a gap about as wide as the slot for a quarter on a vending machine. Some people move their head, tracking the host, as you go to place it on their tongue. Some people come forward with their hands extended and their mouth open, and I don’t know how they wish to receive.

I say these to be somewhat comical. But, it is true. In my experience, many people prefer to receive on the tongue. Great. More power to them. But, of those who choose to receive in this manner, it’s also my experience that the vast majority do it incorrectly.

As it pertains to the original point, I’ll reemphasize something I said earlier. Often, people are not as guilty as they appear. One of the reasons I read and post rather infrequently to these forae is that I don’t like how priests are treated. The sentiment I often read is, “Father’s wrong! You should write to the bishop! And if that fails, write to Rome!” Leaving aside the fact that no bishop that I know of has time to deal with every perceived liturgical abuse out there, we never hear the other side of the story. People are slow to listen and quick to judge when it comes to anything remotely resembling liturgical abuse. The reality is that most, and dare I say all, priests truly love the Lord and their people. They are trying to do the best they can with limited resources. We’re not perfect. We fail at our jobs, too. We don’t need criticisms; we need prayers.

Anyway, just my two cents. At the end of the day, the important thing isn’t how someone receives Jesus EXTERNALLY, but how we receive Him INTERNALLY. Are our hearts disposed? have we made a throne for Him on the inside and not merely on the outside?
What a fabulous post Father! Thank you!
 
I realize much of the pre Vatican II spirituality has been tossed side, but it was always emphasized to us that your external deportment mirrors your interior.
Yes, this is true. The question is what, specifically, is in the interior? Is the interior disposition of the heart to appear holier than we are, or to actually give due reverence to God? No one but the individual person can answer this question. But, the external appearance in both cases would be the same.
 
Yes, really. I remember those days also, and communion time could take 20 mins or more depending on the number of people in line.
So twenty minutes is too much for people to wait to receive Our Lord? People seem to be prepared to wait for much longer than 20 minutes to get served in a restaurant, but this is too long to wait to receive God himself?
 
Yes, this is true. The question is what, specifically, is in the interior? Is the interior disposition of the heart to appear holier than we are, or to actually give due reverence to God? No one but the individual person can answer this question. But, the external appearance in both cases would be the same.
If the Holy Eucharist is really Who the Church claims It is, we could never show enough reverence and respect.

I doubt anyone who realizes that there is no sin of which they are not capable would try to act “holier than thou.”
 
If the Holy Eucharist is really Who the Church claims It is, we could never show enough reverence and respect.

I doubt anyone who realizes that there is no sin of which they are not capable would try to act “holier than thou.”
Well, with respect, I’ll beg to differ. I heard a story once of a seminarian (not in my seminary, so admittedly, this is at best a second-hand account) who would kneel throughout his entire morning holy hour with his eyes closed, appearing to be deep in prayer. His brother seminarians were in awe of him and thought that he must have a very deep prayer life to kneel for an hour each day, day after day, with his eyes closed. Then one day, he fell over. And all of his peers realized that all this time, not only had he NOT been praying, but he had been sleeping, using this posture to keep the seminary staff off his back.

You said it yourself. There is no sin which any of us are incapable of committing. Concupiscence touches us all, presuming that no one posting on this thread is our Lord or our Lady. If we think we are incapable of sinning through pride, we have already fallen into it.

Again, don’t misunderstand me. I’m sure that many, if not most, people who choose to receive on the tongue, kneeling, or both, do so for the right reasons and have the right motivations. But, I’m equally certain that there are some who are doing it for the wrong reasons. Just like I’m sure there are professional athletes who are genuinely good people and would do anything to help someone, and there are others who smile, sign autographs and say all the right things when the cameras are turned on, but are complete jerks when the cameras are off. My point is that we can all be duplicitous. If someone wants to receive on the tongue, fine. I don’t want anyone who does so to get scrupulous on account of anything I’ve said in this thread. But, I do want ALL of us to examine our motivations and to be sure they are pure, keeping in mind that we are all fallen and the effects of original sin touch us all.
 
I heard a story once of a seminarian (not in my seminary, so admittedly, this is at best a second-hand account) who would kneel throughout his entire morning holy hour with his eyes closed, appearing to be deep in prayer. His brother seminarians were in awe of him and thought that he must have a very deep prayer life to kneel for an hour each day, day after day, with his eyes closed. Then one day, he fell over. And all of his peers realized that all this time, not only had he NOT been praying, but he had been sleeping, using this posture to keep the seminary staff off his back.
That gave me the best laugh I’ve had all day!!! Thank you, Father!!!
Again, don’t misunderstand me. I’m sure that many, if not most, people who choose to receive on the tongue, kneeling, or both, do so for the right reasons and have the right motivations.
I certainly hope so. God knows ALL. I imagine that feigning reverence might be rather upsetting to Him.
But, I do want ALL of us to examine our motivations and to be sure they are pure, keeping in mind that we are all fallen and the effects of original sin touch us all.
It is something that I have given no small amount of thought to.

Jansenism is a word that I have never seen or heard of until today. I took no offense at your earlier post, and found it very interesting. I only wish to give proper praise and worship to Christ. 1 Corinthians 11:27-29 is never far from my mind, and bi-weekly confession is a habit I am happy to have.

Thank you for posting here, Father. I pray that you may do it more often, and God bless you.
 
But, I’m equally certain that there are some who are doing it for the wrong reasons.
How can you be so sure of that?

I would think that there are many people who would like to kneel to receive Our Lord, but are reluctant to do so exactly because people will look at them and think, “Look at him, acting all holier than thou”. Personally I would much prefer to receive Communion kneeling, but don’t because I feel others will think I am trying to make some point about piety. The atmosphere in most parish churches is really not conducive at all towards receiving kneeling. But perhaps this is just an excuse for cowardice on my part.
 
How can you be so sure of that?

I would think that there are many people who would like to kneel to receive Our Lord, but are reluctant to do so exactly because people will look at them and think, “Look at him, acting all holier than thou”. Personally I would much prefer to receive Communion kneeling, but don’t because I feel others will think I am trying to make some point about piety. The atmosphere in most parish churches is really not conducive at all towards receiving kneeling. But perhaps this is just an excuse for cowardice on my part.
Yeah. I don’t doubt that certainly that could be in the heart of a man to do BUT I would think that would be so rare. I mean for someone to actually think, premeditate, and put into action the spectacle of kneeling for the motive of pride and selfishness would be downright evil. "“nah that whole reverence thing is overrated and kneeling before God is not why I do it… I just want people to see me and think well of me” However, I would think that the more common nonchalant way some receive in the hand could be more plausible as a reception that should be corrected. shrug:
 
How can you be so sure of that?

I would think that there are many people who would like to kneel to receive Our Lord, but are reluctant to do so exactly because people will look at them and think, “Look at him, acting all holier than thou”. Personally I would much prefer to receive Communion kneeling, but don’t because I feel others will think I am trying to make some point about piety. The atmosphere in most parish churches is really not conducive at all towards receiving kneeling. But perhaps this is just an excuse for cowardice on my part.
I agree with you. Since communion in the hand was introduced, I have been bashed over the head with the holier than thou argument. After forty years, it has gotten very old.

For the record, I stand when I receive even though I do receive Holy Communion on the tongue. And I do not hesitate to receive, as some in my parish do, from an EMHC. But I would never think that the person who does kneel to receive is doing it just to come off holier. Even if he/she was, I’d rather see that than a person sauntering up, chewing gum or, worse yet, chatting to folks in the pews as he/she passes them by, and then proceeds to hold out his/her hand and pop Our Lord in his/her mouth like a fistful of peanuts.
 
How can you be so sure of that?
Because I know the reality of original sin and concupiscence.
I would think that there are many people who would like to kneel to receive Our Lord, but are reluctant to do so exactly because people will look at them and think, “Look at him, acting all holier than thou”. Personally I would much prefer to receive Communion kneeling, but don’t because I feel others will think I am trying to make some point about piety. The atmosphere in most parish churches is really not conducive at all towards receiving kneeling. But perhaps this is just an excuse for cowardice on my part.
And this is the other side of that coin. I’m certain that there are many well-meaning people, like yourself, who desire to receive in such a manner for all the right reasons. It’s a tough call sometimes. This is one of those areas where I would advise receiving counsel from a wise spiritual director. A good spiritual director can help us discern the thoughts of the heart.
 
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