Priests Told: Deny Communion to Politicians Who Support Abortion

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BroomWagon said:
Big Abortion Story breaking right now, I just can’t find a good source like AP or UPI but…
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Jennifer Morbelli Age 29
Died after late term 33rd week abortion

lifesitenews.com/news/woman-who-died-after-late-term-abortion-at-carhart-clinic-identified

Another reason illustrating that Catholics who support abortion have committed a mortal sin (which would make receiving communion a sacrilege, an additional mortal sin).

Politicians influence people publicly, so their correction might be done publicly -
not so much in public confession as in the old days but when
they boldly persist in the public sin and then present themselves for communion
in a way that might mislead more people (should the Church let it slide - seeming
to allow that it doesn’t matter or that it is a “matter of conscience only”).
 
Being Pro-choice in a policy perspective doesn’t mean you are pro-abortion. Therefore refusing communion or excommunicating someone who is pro-choice is offensive.
 
BigBlueCane said:
Being Pro-choice in a policy perspective doesn’t mean you are pro-abortion. Therefore refusing communion or excommunicating someone who is pro-choice is offensive.
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Pro choice is a contrived political term used to obfuscate what is being chosen. There is no such thing as pro choice it is pro abortion.
 
fix said:
Pro choice is a contrived political term used to obfuscate what is being chosen. There is no such thing as pro choice it is pro abortion.
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“Every baby a wanted baby”
“Choice”
“Population Control”
“Women Empowerment”

The Nazis did the same thing:
“The Final Solution”
 
PazzoGrande said:
“Every baby a wanted baby”
“Choice”
“Population Control”
“Women Empowerment”

The Nazis did the same thing:
“The Final Solution”
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Pro choice on rape?

Pro choice on genocide?

Pro choice on arson?

Pro choice on bank robbery?

Pro choice on slavery - policy matter?
 
fix said:
Pro choice is a contrived political term used to obfuscate what is being chosen. There is no such thing as pro choice it is pro abortion.
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Pro-abortion covers those who say they would support abortion in cases of rape, incest, or whatever as well, I would think.
 
BigBlueCane said:
Being Pro-choice in a policy perspective doesn’t mean you are pro-abortion. Therefore refusing communion or excommunicating someone who is pro-choice is offensive.
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Pro-choice is a contrived political term. Even planned parenthood is abandoning the term pro-choice, because everybody knows it’s the issue is abortion.
 
PazzoGrande said:
I do take part in pro-life causes too. For example, I did 40 Days for Life.

But the way I see it, we don’t get organised in a way that converts the middle to our point of view.

I really don’t believe that the anti-abortion movement as a human rights issue really gets out to the average joe. They think it’s a “Jesus Freak” issue.

Take this for example
youtube.com/watch?v=_sTjJ-3NdwE
I happen to know the guy who made it, the one who is speaking. What he did is what needs to be done.

The girl thinks it’s a Christian issue. It isn’t. We need to reach out to those people who think that it’s just for the religious right.

To put it another way, when you go to those pro-life rallies, it seems that everyone who is there is armed with a Rosary, right? People who go do so out of religious conviction. That’s all well and good, but it just reinforces the stereotype that it’s just for our side of the political and religious spectrum.

Anything more than that, we can agree to disagree.
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I think you bring up an interesting point. I have gone toe to toe on CAF with a thoughful Jew who is pro abortion and even claims his faith supports this position. No matter how many times I expalin my pro-life position as a human rights issue, as a scientifically provable state of being human despite being in the womb, that the same excuses used to support abortion were used to support slavery…IOW no matter what I say, he asserts that the reason I am pro-life is because my religion says I must be. I was pro life before I was Catholic, before I was Christian in fact.

But the facts don’t matter I guess. The pro abortion groups are able to marginalize us as religious nuts, Jesus freaks, rosary waving loons.

It’s so unfortunate that what should be a strong indication of our sincerity is demeaned by the secular media and leftist politicians. Bringing this back to the thread, I wish something could be done to stop the damage of the Nancy Pelosi’s, the Joe Bidens, the Andrew Cuomos (pro choice he is NOT, he is PRO ABORTION). The uninformed public hears these heretics blather away and decide either Catholicism allows abortion or that we Catholics don’t take this seriously or we’d shut them up.

What do we do?
Lisa
 
Ex-communicate them.

Deny them access to all of the sacraments.

Disbar them if necessary too.

It is time for the RCC to publicly defend the defenceless and to do so through both word and dead.No half measures.
Either something is truthful in it’s totality or it is a lie.

To not act, to not speak out, to not publicly admonish and punish politicians for their policies is untruthful and is therefore a lie.

The Truth must be said at all times with fear of favour.
 
LisaA said:
No matter how many times I expalin my pro-life position as a human rights issue, as a scientifically provable state of being human despite being in the womb, that the same excuses used to support abortion were used to support slavery
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For me, we don’t even have to involve advanced science – simple logic is enough. Something is either human or is not. Something is either alive or is not. Insofar as you can say that it’s *possible *the fetus is alive, then abortion is wrong.

Can’t flip a coin when it comes to killing a human!

It’s like blowing up a building and not being sure if people are in there or not. It’s criminally negligent.

And saying “I own the building, it’s my choice if I wanna blow it up” would be the dumbest excuse I’ve ever heard…
 
fix said:
Pro choice is a contrived political term used to obfuscate what is being chosen. There is no such thing as pro choice it is pro abortion.
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No its an accurate term that can describe ones position. I don’t doubt there are people who are truly pro abortion. Pro Choice can also mean you want to leave it up to people to decide and not have it be decided for them. That doesn’t mean you’re pro abortion.
 
BigBlueCane said:
No its an accurate term that can describe ones position. I don’t doubt there are people who are truly pro abortion. Pro Choice can also mean you want to leave it up to people to decide and not have it be decided for them. That doesn’t mean you’re pro abortion.
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But you indicate “people” decide, not have the decision made for them. That is contradictory because one of the people involved doesn’t get a vote when the “pro choice” position is taken. The whole question revolves around whether or not an unborn person is an unborn person or is it…a fish? a blob? Basically anyone who is “pro choice” is simply saying only one party has a choice and that is the pregnant woman. The child, the father, the grandparents or society which has a duty to protect the weak among us have no choice. We often talk about freedom and human rights and it’s pretty well agreed upon that one’s right to act ends when it infringes another’s. So you are at peace with looking the other way and “trusting” a woman to decide whether her child lives or dies?

Oddly enough a recent editorial by a pro abortion woman indicated that some members of the pro abort movement know exactly what they are doing…killing a human being…but they don’t care. Her words were quite chilling, some life has more value than other life.
I appreciate her candor and I know she speaks for many hiding behind the “choice” banner.

Lisa
 
BigBlueCane said:
No its an accurate term that can describe ones position. I don’t doubt there are people who are truly pro abortion. Pro Choice can also mean you want to leave it up to people to decide and not have it be decided for them. That doesn’t mean you’re pro abortion.
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The term pro-choice is of course shorthand for “I support the right of a mother to abort her child.” It really has nothing whatever with any right to choose; choice is not the issue. The objection that most people are not really pro-abortion is another verbal dodge. I personally am not pro-root canals even while I recognize their benefit so the issue is not whether we like everything we would allow; it is precisely about those things we choose to permit. A person who is pro-abortion is a person who chooses to permit abortions.

Given the true nature of what an abortion is it is no surprise that those who accept them would resort to word games to defend their position. What is surprising, however, is the degree of self delusion that accompanies those positions.

Ender
 
Ender said:
The term pro-choice is of course shorthand for “I support the right of a mother to abort her child.” It really has nothing whatever with any right to choose; choice is not the issue. The objection that most people are not really pro-abortion is another verbal dodge. I personally am not pro-root canals even while I recognize their benefit so the issue is not whether we like everything we would allow; it is precisely about those things we choose to permit. A person who is pro-abortion is a person who chooses to permit abortions.

Given the true nature of what an abortion is it is no surprise that those who accept them would resort to word games to defend their position. What is surprising, however, is the degree of self delusion that accompanies those positions.

Ender
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Perhaps self delusion can rise to the level of an Olympic event. These contestants can join Catholics who justified a vote for Obama by turning into a human pretzel engaged in mental gymnastics worthy of a Gold Medal. Archbishop Chaput’s description was quite apt.

Lisa
 
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