Prisons Prove that Homosexuality is a Choice -Ben Carson

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Which doesn’t explain why so many gays say things like they knew from an early age that they were “different” or were attracted to the same gender in early adolescence. Ben Carson says a lot of true things, but this isn’t one of them.
 
I think that proves that being surrounded by a bunch of men, some of which may be abusive to certain inmates could cause certain psychological traumas that could lead to a person being “gay.” or have homosexual tendencies.

Look into the courage apostolate I don’t remember the name of their website. But what their psychiatrist say is that usually circumstances lead someone to have more homosexual inclinations, not that one morning someone wakes up and says oh I’m going to be attracted to the same sex today.

Now I don’t know if someone can be genetically disposed to these conditions but for us Catholics it shouldn’t matter at all why someone has homosexual tendencies, rather they have them, they may act on them. We must show them love, mercy and help them to live a chaste life with these struggles.

I would suggest Catholics don’t get to tied up in the “sources” of homosexuality outside of in terms of counseling. Catholics need to defend traditional marriage, and love those who have homosexual tendencies.
 
Inmates are improvising and making do with what they have. :blech: I’d say that is mighty different than your first preference changing while in prison.
 
:sigh: This opinion ignores other factors:


  1. *]Men who were questioning when they entered prison.
    *]Men who had repressed or ignored homosexual tendencies when they entered prison.
    *]Men who were already LGBT when they entered prison.
    *]Men who were raped and traumatized by the experience, and that effect on their physical, emotional, and sexual health.
    *]That a choice requires a conscious decision that those who are LGBT deny ever happening.
    *]If it is a choice, then it must also be a choice to change back.

    By the way, does anyone have the link to a study that has analyzed inmates’ sexual background and orientation before and after prison?
 
I thank God that the Church Herself does not deny that it’s not a choice for many.
 
I would really expect a neurosurgeon to have a little bit more background in understanding the difference between making an argument back by actual data and not just some anecdotal information.

Does that actually even happen? Are there large numbers of straight men who go into prison and suddenly become full-fledged active homosexuals?
 
PatrickSebast said:
I would really expect a neurosurgeon to have a little bit more background in understanding the difference between making an argument back by actual data and not just some anecdotal information.

Does that actually even happen? Are there large numbers of straight men who go into prison and suddenly become full-fledged active homosexuals?
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This article was hysterically bad. Or rather, Ben Carson is laughably misinformed. No, straight men who have active homosexual sex lives in prison go right back to women as soon as they are released. Even straight women who have lesbian relationships in prison go right back to men upon release, even though their relationships are more emotional and often filled with promises about life on the outside.
 
At first read, I agreed with Ben Carson …thinking since the prisoners are grouped with men, they did sexual acts with them to satisfy their desire.

On second thought…if I was in prison and couldn’t resist sexual desire, I would use a Playboy Magazine to stimulate myself for masturbation…not turn gay! :eek: :nope:
 
I haven’t read the interview or article where he made this comment. I like Ben Carson. For some I believe it is a choice, but not for all. That was not a good example.
 
Who is this ‘Ben Carson’ and what qualifications does he have to make such a claim?
 
Ben Carson brings up a point that is almost universally ignored by homosexual activists. Along similar lines you can see homosexual activity among men in the military. Churchill is reported to have said the tradition of the British navy is ‘rum, sodomy and the lash’.

The modern narrative on homosexuality is that you have inborn desires. It is these inborn desires that cause homosexual activity. But if this is so either prisoners are disproportionately homosexual or the modern theory is nonsense or at best inadequate to fully explain reality.

Another issue I wish someone would research is that I think it likely homosexual couples have more incidents of killing their partners and disproportionately high rates of mutilation of the people they kill. There seems among active homosexual men to be a high rate of mutilation of genitals.
 
Why is that something new? It is a sinful act. People choose when they act; however, there exists things which lessen their freedom and hence their culpability.
 
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Another issue I wish someone would research is that I think it likely homosexual couples have more incidents of killing their partners and disproportionately high rates of mutilation of the people they kill. There seems among active homosexual men to be a high rate of mutilation of genitals.
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:confused: Well that’s a new one… Do you have some statistics to back this up? Is this something you’ve seen in your everyday life?
 
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I haven’t read the interview or article where he made this comment. I like Ben Carson. For some I believe it is a choice, but not for all. That was not a good example.
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Certainly it’s not a good example.

Even if it’s true that some men “turned gay” in prison, that doesn’t prove that it’s a conscious choice (as another suggested).

And as you suggest it doesn’t support his conclusion (“it’s a choice”) in every case.
 
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:confused: Well that’s a new one… Do you have some statistics to back this up? Is this something you’ve seen in your everyday life?
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I don’t have statistics. That is my point. I think this should be researched. It won’t be by any government or private university, with the exception of maybe of a small evangelical institution.

I’ve not encountered it in my everyday life. I’ve just read about a number of cases in news articles that makes me wonder. A recent example is the homosexual cannibal from Canada. That is a rather gruesome story. I also think it is true that homosexual activity is disproportionately common among serial killers.
 
There is natural, non-sexual “same gender attraction” that happens in childhood for the sake of the guys learning to be hunter-gatherers together, and the women learning cooking, house and childcare together. I remember while growing up we didn’t want to get “boy germs” or “boy kooties”.

To this, the Communists added sexuality as an attempt to subvert the traditional family. Our Lady said that if her requests weren’t heard (in 1917), “Russia would spread her errors”.

Looks like they’re making good headway. Putin has the nerve to look surprised.

Prisons are infamous for same-sex rape. Once a person is raped, there is a good chance that they think they can’t go back.

How ignorant “sheep” can be!

So, we Catholics can talk up the fact that boys like to hang with boys, and girls with girls, and all should practice chastity while doing so. We also need to teach deliverance, so that when one kid’s friends get out of alignment with the commandments, they can hold them strongly in the mind’s eye and love them with the love of Christ.

People usually just want to live their lives; have a good job; be an asset to their employer; support their family; raise good God-fearing children; and not be obsessed with stuff, particularly sex. Moderation in all things, excesses in none.

Blessings,
Cloisters
 
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