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Problem with the Catholic Church's teaching on abortion in cases of rape
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EugeneCharles
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Thank you very much @JoyfulTune
To answer the question, every individual has his own free will. He has the free will to think and choose his decisions and we have a different perspective for each thin e.g. some people think that Biden isn’t good and others think he is. In the end, we should respect them. Not to use force them for it will result in something that they didn’t mean. If they don’t want to be baptized then someone forces them, they’re just trying to fool themselves and will not receive the merits of heaven.
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stpurl
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Absolutely not. A person who breaks into your home does so of his own free will and under his own power. The child in the womb is not there of HIS free will OR under his own power. Therefore he cannot be an unjust aggressor.
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Raxus
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Is it good to force people not murder their neighbors by law? If the answer is “Yes”, then it’s also good to force people by law not to murder babies in the womb, too.
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JoyfulTune
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The woman should choose how to resolve her situation, in which her right has been offended: she has to choose between The Law of God or The Grace of God.AlNg:
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If she chooses The Law, the fetus is the heir of it’s parents, according to The Law. It has to pay the sin of its parents. This is according to The Law of Moses. And she will be judged by the same Law. If she is innocent, then she’s free of judgement, even if the child die. And the father will pay the sin of raping her and the death of the child.
If she choose The Grace of God, then both she and her fetus does not need to pay the sin of the man. She chooses to let the child live. She can also pleading to God to forgive the rapist so he would repent & find salvation one day. But these are her choice to make.
Just as christian baptism needs evagelization, it is the church job to ever evangelize about pro-life, not only to women, but mainly to men.
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JoyfulTune
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Your logic does not work here.
The fact that the child exist, his mom has made a choice to carry him to term. When she has made this choice, ofcourse she should not suddenly change her mind after the child is born.
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AlNg
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When a robber invades your house and kills your 12 year old daughter, was that God’s plan for this to happen? If it is God’s plan, do you have a right to defend yourself and kill the intruder or should you just go along with God’s plan and let him kill the other members of your family?
Not always. He can be under the influence of alcohol or drugs or be mentally incapacitated in some way. He is still an unjust aggressor, even if he is not acting of his own free will and you have the right to defend yourself against that even if it was God’s plan for him to invade your house and harm your family members.,
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stpurl
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Oh really you are stretching so far you’re practically Elastigirl here. You are comparing an inebriated intruder (who STILL comes in on his own power) to a child who is, lest we forget, not simply the ‘byproduct’ of the rapist alone, but who is likewise biologically a product of the mother as well. Though the mother did not ‘consent’ to the violent power crime of rape, the child who has come into being is still not just ‘the rapist’ or ‘the rapist spawn alone’ which was unlawfully ‘deposited’ but is equally part of the poor mother.
Training—and that is what people have been doing for 50 years and God help those who abetted it in any way for your guilt in the holocaust of millions of souls—a woman to think of her child as an intruder, a ‘parasite’, and the host (no pun intended) of other equally nauseating comparisons that have deluded millions of mothers into thinking of their own children as such horrors, is one of the modern crimes that will, in years to come, brand this time as genocidal, unnatural, and depraved.
Training—and that is what people have been doing for 50 years and God help those who abetted it in any way for your guilt in the holocaust of millions of souls—a woman to think of her child as an intruder, a ‘parasite’, and the host (no pun intended) of other equally nauseating comparisons that have deluded millions of mothers into thinking of their own children as such horrors, is one of the modern crimes that will, in years to come, brand this time as genocidal, unnatural, and depraved.
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Rau
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There are no laws of this kind. This was explained in a prior post. There are also no laws “forcing” persons who accidentally become pregnant ouside marriage. There are only laws punishing crimes.
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Rau
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Perhaps she feels she made an error? If killing prior to birth is ok, then it must be ok after.
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politicalmads
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Why should a child be condemned for the sins of their parents? Just because the child is a product of a crime against God does not mean it is invalid and deserves to be terminated. Take children born out of wedlock, such as myself. Is my life less valuable? You have to keep in mind that God does not control evils, he does not control us, as we have free will.
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politicalmads
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God does not control us, we all have free will. God does not plan evil either.
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JoyfulTune
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Do you know that God asked Moses to build “the city of refuge” for people who kill his fellow human unintentionally and/or because of self defense? The person who flee to this city cannot be punished the same way as a murder case.JoyfulTune:
Is it good to force people not murder their neighbors by law? If the answer is “Yes”, then it’s also good to force people by law not to murder babies in the womb, too.
Please read Numbers 35
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EugeneCharles
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Sorry, but I didn’t get your point within this argument. I assume that it was God’s plan for the baby to exist because He is the Giver of life. I didn’t utter that people suffer because of God’s plan or other person’s fault.EugeneCharles:
When a robber invades your house and kills your 12 year old daughter, was that God’s plan for this to happen? If it is God’s plan, do you have a right to defend yourself and kill the intruder or should you just go along with God’s plan and let him kill the other members of your family?
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Rau
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Neither is relevant to the killing of the unborn - the aggressor is long gone.
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JoyfulTune
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What crime a rape victim being accused of?
Murder? That is the rapist crime, not the victims crime.
She has chosen to go through 9 months pregnancy and labor pain.JoyfulTune:
Perhaps she feels she made an error? If killing prior to birth is ok, then it must be ok after.
Society need to support single moms
The city of refuge in the bible proves that not all killing cases is punishable by murderJoyfulTune:
Neither is relevant to the killing
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JoyfulTune
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Probably you should ask God that question: why do we carry adam sin? Because we are heir of our parents according to the Torah.
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God detest evil.
Exactly my point.
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Rau
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None. Are the parents of a severely handicapped child charged with a crime? Is that why they may not terminate that child?
Nonsense. His crime is rape. Who chose to kill the child?
Great. But noone argues otherwise.
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Raxus
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Has nothing to do with abortion. Abortion is always a purposeful murder of a human being.
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AlNg
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I don’t think so. Some states have parental rights for the rapist, so in those states the mother has to relive her brutal and violent degrading suffering each time she has some legal business with the man who raped her. So it is not just a matter of nine months of torment in carrying the child of the rapist. It is 18 more years of mental misery and agony as she has to make time to give the child over to the rapist father as he is exercising his parental rights. This mental pain and suffering that the victim of rape has to endure for 18 years does not go away by people making jokes about elastigirl.
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