Proclaiming the bride and not the bridegroom

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That’s funny because I was put in the dog house in that thread very early on. I wasn’t “playing by the rules” of his thread because I saw through his *‘Christianity is a 100% work based salvation’ *statement. I never went back to see if I ever made it out 🤷

God bless
Of course I was just having fun with you and put you in the dog house for one hour. I thought you returned?
 
My answer is “it depends”, you’re on Catholic Answers! Most of us are Christian’s already, even the non-catholics (yes, I know there are some others as well but they are the minority). In particular, most debates I’ve seen you in have been chalk full of Christian’s. The Bridegroom is accepted by all in the debate, thus the debates isn’t over Christ the debate is over a proper understand as our role as the Bride of Christ. In this case, I would disagree with you completely, it’s proper to proclaim the bride and not the bridegroom. Because our audience already accepts the bridegroom, that’s not the question.

On the other hand, for people like my Athiest friend who is currently investigating the Christian faith I take a different tact entirely. She’s currently lost, in the truest sense. Whta I mean by this is she’s never experienced the unconditional love of God in anyway. Even her parents were well, not the best. Her father I hate to say was a terrible example. She and her brother were left with old clothing, essentially begging for scraps, while they lived in a nice big house in a well to do suburb of Raleigh NC, and her parents owned such luxuries like an airplane. Clearly, in that family the kids were the bottom priority, they got whatever little was left over after the parents got what they wanted.

This has left my friend unable to trust in an unconditional love like Gods, she has this impediment blocking her ability to accept this. So, in this case my evangilism is nothing but Christ, and the love of Christ. If she get’s to the point where she can accept that much, and joins about any church I’ll be happy. Sure I’d love her to join the CC, but for this one just joining any church would be a victory of epic proportions! I can’t even tell you how elated I would be.

So… Yeah Adam, you have to specify your terms. More over, I find it interesting that you keep preaching calvinism, keep not answering questions posed to you, and keep turning back to “christian love” as a sheild it would seem.
I always assumed you were Catholic. Is that right?
 
Ephesians 4

Unity in the Body of Christ

I therefore, a prisoner for the Lord, urge you to walk in a manner worthy of the calling to which you have been called, with all humility and gentleness, with patience, bearing with one another in love, eager to maintain the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace. There is one body and one Spirit—just as you were called to the one hope that belongs to your call— one Lord, one faith, one baptism, one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all. But grace was given to each one of us according to the measure of Christ’s gift. Therefore it says,

“When he ascended on high he led a host of captives,
and he gave gifts to men.”

(In saying, “He ascended,” what does it mean but that he had also descended into the lower regions, the earth? He who descended is the one who also ascended far above all the heavens, that he might fill all things.) And he gave the apostles, the prophets, the evangelists, the shepherds and teachers, to equip the saints for the work of ministry, for building up the body of Christ, until we all attain to the unity of the faith and of the knowledge of the Son of God, to mature manhood, to the measure of the stature of the fullness of Christ, so that we may no longer be children, tossed to and fro by the waves and carried about by every wind of doctrine, by human cunning, by craftiness in deceitful schemes. Rather, speaking the truth in love, we are to grow up in every way into him who is the head, into Christ, from whom the whole body, joined and held together by every joint with which it is equipped, when each part is working properly, makes the body grow so that it builds itself up in love.
 
Please clarify your thoughts because I’m lost in what you are trying to share. I’m just pointing to Jesus Christ for our sufficient source to both Catholics and Protestants alike. As a Protestant, I know we can sometimes make the Bible an idol. It’s the same with Catholics in the same way that they can make the Catholic Church an idol too. The Bible and the Catholic Church are only as good if it points us to Jesus Christ, because our sufficiency in this life and the next is in Christ and not the Catholic Church nor the Bible.
Start the thread and I think then you may understand what I am saying.

God bless you
 
You lost me with your posting. Are you saying that Christians cannot understand Scripture on their own? Do you read the Bible on your own?
Evidently you cannot, because you hold one of tens of thousands of interpretations of scripture. Which one is right?

If you say that some of us Catlicks defend the Church and not Christ, then you err. One cannot serve the Lord without the Church. The Church is His Body as has been stated before. However you cannot accept this truth because it would start the unraveling of your tradition.

You claim to defend and serve Christ by demeaning and working against His Church. How is that serving Christ?

And yes I read and study bible text on my own. I also hear the word of God in Sacred Scripture and in Sacred Tradition at mass regularly.
 
I suspect this thread is only gonna reinforce 2ndAdam’s prejudices about the Church. While we strive to defend our Church, he will use this against us as proof that he was right along: Catholics have made an idol out of the Church and forgotten about Jesus, or worse never knew Him to begin with.

Catholics, I think we are going about this the wrong way: I recommend that you tell Mr. Adam here about Jesus, about the most Blessed Sacrament, about the Most Holy Sacrifice of the Mass, about our devotions to Him, etc. And most importantly, the connection between Jesus and His Bride.
 
I suspect this thread is only gonna reinforce 2ndAdam’s prejudices about the Church. While we strive to defend our Church, he will use this against us as proof that he was right along: Catholics have made an idol out of the Church and forgotten about Jesus, or worse never knew Him to begin with.

Catholics, I think we are going about this the wrong way: I recommend that you tell Mr. Adam here about Jesus, about the most Blessed Sacrament, about the Most Holy Sacrifice of the Mass, about our devotions to Him, etc. And most importantly, the connection between Jesus and His Bride.
Yes… please proclaim Jesus Christ to me! You can also post on the sufficiency of Christ thread and tell me why Jesus Christ is sufficient for me and you!

forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=400508
 
Okay, let’s wait and see what happens. Do Catholics in general love the bride more than the bridegroom? 😉
Conversely, do you love bridegroom more than the bride? Can you not love both?
 
What thread do you want me to start?
2nd Adam:
Catholics can miss Jesus by proclaiming the Church instead of Christ.

Protestants can miss Jesus by proclaiming the Scriptures instead of Chrst.
Your second premise. You could phrase the title: Proclaiming the Scriptures and not Christ.
God bless
 
Conversely, do you love bridegroom more than the bride? Can you not love both?
“Do not think that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I have not come to bring peace, but a sword. For I have come to set a man against his father, and a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law. And a person’s enemies will be those of his own household. Whoever loves father or mother more than me is not worthy of me, and whoever loves son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me. And whoever does not take his cross and follow me is not worthy of me. Whoever finds his life will lose it, and whoever loses his life for my sake will find it.

“If anyone comes to me and does not hate his own father and mother and wife and children and brothers and sisters, yes, and even his own life, he cannot be my disciple. - Jesus the Christ
 
“If anyone comes to me and does not hate his own father and mother and wife and children and brothers and sisters, yes, and even his own life, he cannot be my disciple. - Jesus the Christ
Ah, Adam, do you believe the CC is between Jesus and its members? Why?

Can you love both the Bridegroom and His Bride?
 
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