Proclaiming the bride and not the bridegroom

[Gabriel_of_12]

These all died in faith, not having received the things promised, but having seen them and greeted them from afar, and having acknowledged that they were strangers and exiles on the earth. For people who speak thus make it clear that they are seeking a homeland. If they had been thinking of that land from which they had gone out, they would have had opportunity to return. But as it is, they desire a better country, that is, a heavenly one. Therefore God is not ashamed to be called their God, for he has prepared for them a city. - Hebrews

What folly is this? what is man that he can seperate what God has joined!!! Has not man learned yet that Jesus is the Head of his body the (Catholic = universal) Church?
Colossians 1:15
6 He is the image 7 of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation.
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For in him 8 were created all things in heaven and on earth, the visible and the invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers; all things were created through him and for him.
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He is before all things, and in him all things hold together.
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**He is the head of the body, the church. 9 He is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, that in all things he himself might be preeminent. **
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For in him all the fullness 10 was pleased to dwell,
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and through him to reconcile all things for him, making peace by the blood of his cross 11 (through him), whether those on earth or those in heaven.

If anyone professes to just have the head without the body, this one is holding a dead mans religion. For to seperate the head from the body is to be cut off from the living. Catholics profess Christ Crucified and resurrected from the dead who lives he is not dead as some profess another gospel. Jesus is the vine we are the branches with him, in him, through him, in the unity of the Holy Spirit all glory and honor is given to you almighty Father forever and ever amen.

John 15:4
**Remain in me, as I remain in you. Just as a branch cannot bear fruit on its own unless it remains on the vine, so neither can you unless you remain in me. **
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**I am the vine, you are the branches. Whoever remains in me and I in him will bear much fruit, because without me you can do nothing.
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4 Anyone who does not remain in me will be thrown out like a branch and wither; people will gather them and throw them into a fire and they will be burned. **
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**If you remain in me and my words remain in you, ask for whatever you want and it will be done for you. **
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By this is my Father glorified, that you bear much fruit and become my disciples.
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As the Father loves me, so I also love you. Remain in my love.
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If you keep my commandments, you will remain in my love, just as I have kept my Father’s commandments and remain in his love.
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"I have told you this so that my joy may be in you and your joy may be complete.
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This is my commandment: love one another as I love you.

How can God be all and in all without his body the Catholic church.

Can any non catholic or protestant translate the following scripture and reveal its meaning? What does this scripture teach?

Hebrews 12:18
4 You have not approached that which could be touched 5 and a blazing fire and gloomy darkness and storm
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and a trumpet blast and a voice speaking words such that those who heard begged that no message be further addressed to them,
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for they could not bear to hear the command: “If even an animal touches the mountain, it shall be stoned.”
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Indeed, so fearful was the spectacle that Moses said, “I am terrified and trembling.”
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**No, you have approached Mount Zion and the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and countless angels in festal gathering,
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and the assembly of the firstborn enrolled in heaven, 6 and God the judge of all, and the spirits of the just made perfect,
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and Jesus, the mediator of a new covenant, and the sprinkled blood that speaks more eloquently 7 than that of Abel.
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See that you do not reject the one who speaks. For if they did not escape when they refused the one who warned them on earth, how much more in our case if we turn away from the one who warns from heaven. **

Peace be with you

 

[Cr8ton]

What folly is this? what is man that he can seperate what God has joined!!! Has not man learned yet that Jesus is the Head of his body the (Catholic = universal) Church?
Colossians 1:15
6 He is the image 7 of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation.
16
For in him 8 were created all things in heaven and on earth, the visible and the invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers; all things were created through him and for him.
17
He is before all things, and in him all things hold together.
18
**He is the head of the body, the church. 9 He is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, that in all things he himself might be preeminent. **
19
For in him all the fullness 10 was pleased to dwell,
20
and through him to reconcile all things for him, making peace by the blood of his cross 11 (through him), whether those on earth or those in heaven.

If anyone professes to just have the head without the body, this one is holding a dead mans religion. For to seperate the head from the body is to be cut off from the living. Catholics profess Christ Crucified and resurrected from the dead who lives he is not dead as some profess another gospel. Jesus is the vine we are the branches with him, in him, through him, in the unity of the Holy Spirit all glory and honor is given to you almighty Father forever and ever amen.

John 15:4
**Remain in me, as I remain in you. Just as a branch cannot bear fruit on its own unless it remains on the vine, so neither can you unless you remain in me. **
5
**I am the vine, you are the branches. Whoever remains in me and I in him will bear much fruit, because without me you can do nothing.
6
4 Anyone who does not remain in me will be thrown out like a branch and wither; people will gather them and throw them into a fire and they will be burned. **
7
**If you remain in me and my words remain in you, ask for whatever you want and it will be done for you. **
8
By this is my Father glorified, that you bear much fruit and become my disciples.
9
As the Father loves me, so I also love you. Remain in my love.
10
If you keep my commandments, you will remain in my love, just as I have kept my Father’s commandments and remain in his love.
11
"I have told you this so that my joy may be in you and your joy may be complete.
12
This is my commandment: love one another as I love you.

How can God be all and in all without his body the Catholic church.

Can any non catholic or protestant translate the following scripture and reveal its meaning? What does this scripture teach?

Hebrews 12:18
4 You have not approached that which could be touched 5 and a blazing fire and gloomy darkness and storm
19
and a trumpet blast and a voice speaking words such that those who heard begged that no message be further addressed to them,
20
for they could not bear to hear the command: “If even an animal touches the mountain, it shall be stoned.”
21
Indeed, so fearful was the spectacle that Moses said, “I am terrified and trembling.”
22
**No, you have approached Mount Zion and the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and countless angels in festal gathering,
23
and the assembly of the firstborn enrolled in heaven, 6 and God the judge of all, and the spirits of the just made perfect,
24
and Jesus, the mediator of a new covenant, and the sprinkled blood that speaks more eloquently 7 than that of Abel.
25
See that you do not reject the one who speaks. For if they did not escape when they refused the one who warned them on earth, how much more in our case if we turn away from the one who warns from heaven. **

Peace be with you

I don’t reject the body, I embrace my siblings in Christ. What I do reject is the absolute dogmatic belief that the Catholic Church is what God intended for all His sons and daughters to be a part of in this physical realm.

If one can show me why I should believe this from Sacred Scripture than perhaps I will reconsider, until then… I will continue to love my siblings in Christ and fellowship with them.

It is not an unknown fact that God works in various denominational church’s.

I’ve prayed about joining the CC but God hasn’t led me to that deliberate decision…that is not to say it may not happen in the future, but it is indeed a testimony as to why I am not yet a member…and until led by the Spirit of God Himself, whether it be by God’s supernatural leading or the Scriptures…I do not plan to become one.

 

[eucharisteo]

I don’t reject the body, I embrace my siblings in Christ. What I do reject is the absolute dogmatic belief that the Catholic Church is what God intended for all His sons and daughters to be a part of in this physical realm.

If one can show me why I should believe this from Sacred Scripture than perhaps I will reconsider, until then… I will continue to love my siblings in Christ and fellowship with them.

It is not an unknown fact that God works in various denominational church’s.

I’ve prayed about joining the CC but God hasn’t led me to that deliberate decision…that is not to say it may not happen in the future, but it is indeed a testimony as to why I am not yet a member…and until led by the Spirit of God Himself, whether it be by God’s supernatural leading or the Scriptures…I do not plan to become one.

If you studied history then you wouldn’t be saying this.

 

[Gabriel_of_12]

I don’t reject the body, I embrace my siblings in Christ. What I do reject is the absolute dogmatic belief that the Catholic Church is what God intended for all His sons and daughters to be a part of in this physical realm.

Forgive me, but siblings is not a biblical term that Iam familiar with, how do you translate sibling here?

I believe to the second part of your statement, if broken down; has to do with God being the creator of all humanity which you deduced as being his sons and daughters being included in his physical creation (forgive me if I refrain from using your new age terms).

These sons and daughters God created, fell from Grace; It is Jesus who ransoms humanity to its original state of communion with his Creator. The only way to the Father is through Jesus himself, for no one goes to the Father (creator) except through Jesus. And Jesus built his Catholic church which is his body on earth (ask Saul from the book Acts who persecuted Jesus body the Church) and he is the head of his body the Church in heaven, because the two are made one.

You are introducing something new here? what is your founders name, and when did this faith your introducing begin? and does it have a recorded history dating back to Jesus and the apostles as does the Catholic Church?

Cr8ton:
It is not an unknown fact that God works in various denominational church’s.

True It is God who chose us first, we do not choose God; Personally, I know of only one thing that keeps humanity from God; “Sin”. Baptism washes all original and actual sin from our eternal souls so as to become sons and daughters of the Living God, this is why Jesus gave us and founded his Catholic church upon Peter.

If ever I feel I am not hearing God’s voice, I go to confession and confess all my sins that keeps me from Hearing God voice and being near to him. The sacrament of reconciliation (that the bible teaches) is for believers who have already entered into the Kingdom of God in his Catholic church. Baptism is for those entering the Kingdom of God.

I will pray for you and others like you who are seeking God and his Truth. Keep seeking him, and call out to him, he is always listening. Its our humanity at times that do not have the ears to hear.

Peace be with you

 

[Gabriel_of_12]

A scripture reflection for this thread;

2Peter 2:4
** For if God did not spare the angels when they sinned, but condemned them to the chains of Tartarus and handed them over to be kept for judgment;
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4 and if he did not spare the ancient world, even though he preserved Noah, a herald of righteousness, together with seven others, when he brought a flood upon the godless world;
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and if he condemned the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah (to destruction), reducing them to ashes, making them an example for the godless (people) of what is coming;
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and if he rescued Lot, a righteous man oppressed by the licentious conduct of unprincipled people
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(for day after day that righteous man living among them was tormented in his righteous soul at the lawless deeds that he saw and heard),
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then the Lord knows how to rescue the devout from trial and to keep the unrighteous under punishment for the day of judgment,
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5 and especially those who follow the flesh with its depraved desire and show contempt for lordship. 6 Bold and arrogant, they are not afraid to revile glorious beings,
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7 whereas angels, despite their superior strength and power, do not bring a reviling judgment against them from the Lord.
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But these people, like irrational animals born by nature for capture and destruction, revile things that they do not understand, and in their destruction they will also be destroyed,
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suffering wrong 8 as payment for wrongdoing. Thinking daytime revelry a delight, they are stains and defilements as they revel in their deceits while carousing with you.
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Their eyes are full of adultery and insatiable for sin. They seduce unstable people, and their hearts are trained in greed. Accursed children!
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Abandoning the straight road, they have gone astray, following the road of Balaam, the son of Bosor, 9 who loved payment for wrongdoing,
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but he received a rebuke for his own crime: a mute beast spoke with a human voice and restrained the prophet’s madness.
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These people are waterless springs and mists driven by a gale; for them the gloom of darkness has been reserved.
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For, talking empty bombast, they seduce with licentious desires of the flesh those who have barely escaped 10 from people who live in error.
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They promise them freedom, though they themselves are slaves of corruption, for a person is a slave of whatever overcomes him.
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For if they, having escaped the defilements of the world through the knowledge of (our) Lord and savior Jesus Christ, again become entangled and overcome by them, their last condition is worse than their first.
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For it would have been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness than after knowing it to turn back from the holy commandment handed down 11 to them.
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12 What is expressed in the true proverb has happened to them, “The dog returns to its own vomit,” and “A bathed sow returns to wallowing in the mire.” **

 

[2nd_Adam]

If you studied history then you wouldn’t be saying this.

Reformed Christians that I knew used to joke about newspaper exegesis since many of us came from Arminian churches obsessed with the secret rapture. Do you believe in history exegesis? I do think history is valid in understanding the Scriptures, but not using bias fallible history to nullify truths from the Scriptures. Should we use the Catholic version of history or the Protestant version of history?

 

[Lapey]

Reformed Christians that I knew used to joke about newspaper exegesis since many of us came from Arminian churches obsessed with the secret rapture. Do you believe in history exegesis? I do think history is valid in understanding the Scriptures, but not using bias fallible history to nullify truths from the Scriptures. Should we use the Catholic version of history or the Protestant version of history?

What’s up pig?

Catholic version of corse, if you want the full truth!

Signed,

Brother pig.

 

[2nd_Adam]

What’s up pig?

Catholic version of corse, if you want the full truth!

Signed,

Brother pig.

Hey brother pig!

You can call me wild boar if you prefer, since I enjoy Luther very much. So, why is your Catholic hope different than my hope in Christ? I think the bridegroom is sufficient for those who put their hope in Him alone.

http://z.about.com/d/urbanlegends/1/0/5/0/1/wild_boar_2.jpg

Guanophore, Izoid, Benidicit, and unidentified Protestant slayer posing with me the wild boar on Catholic Answers.

 

[izoid]

Reformed Christians that I knew used to joke about newspaper exegesis since many of us came from Arminian churches obsessed with the secret rapture. Do you believe in history exegesis? I do think history is valid in understanding the Scriptures, but not using bias fallible history to nullify truths from the Scriptures. Should we use the Catholic version of history or the Protestant version of history?

History is history my friend. Unlike your theology the facts of history are set in stone. It is very unfortunate that you refuse to acknowledge the truth of history and choose to interpret scriptures in a vacuum.

 

[2nd_Adam]

History is history my friend. Unlike your theology the facts of history are set in stone. It is very unfortunate that you refuse to acknowledge the truth of history and choose to interpret scriptures in a vacuum.

History is fact, but what is written down as history can easily be distorted. Have you heard of the Japanese version of WWII in their museums in Japan? And that’s history that is only about 60 years old. Can you imagine history that occurred 2,000 years ago? Only the Bible can be trusted as infallible inerrant truth for the Christian Faith.

 

[2nd_Adam]

History is history my friend. Unlike your theology the facts of history are set in stone. It is very unfortunate that you refuse to acknowledge the truth of history and choose to interpret scriptures in a vacuum.

History is important in understanding Scriptures as I originally posted.

Originally Posted by 2nd Adam
Reformed Christians that I knew used to joke about newspaper exegesis since many of us came from Arminian churches obsessed with the secret rapture. Do you believe in history exegesis? I do think history is valid in understanding the Scriptures, but not using bias fallible history to nullify truths from the Scriptures. Should we use the Catholic version of history or the Protestant version of history?

 

[izoid]

History is fact, but what is written down as history can easily be distorted. Have you heard of the Japanese version of WWII in their museums in Japan? And that’s history that is only about 60 years old. Can you imagine history that occurred 2,000 years ago? Only the Bible can be trusted as infallible inerrant truth for the Christian Faith.

The apostles equated their words with Scripture. We are told, quite clearly, that the words of the apostles are not the words of men but of God.

Given this, do you think God would make these revelations and not preserve them through the tradition that He calls us to follow?

 

[2nd_Adam]

The apostles equated their words with Scripture. We are told, quite clearly, that the words of the apostles are not the words of men but of God.

Given this, do you think God would make these revelations and not preserve them through the tradition that He calls us to follow?

We both love the Apostles, especially Paul, John, Nathaniel, Matthew, Calvin, Andrew, and Peter.

 

[izoid]

We both love the Apostles, especially Paul, John, Nathaniel, Matthew, Calvin, Andrew, and Peter.

You forgot John Paul and Benedict.

 

[izoid]

We both love the Apostles, especially Paul, John, Nathaniel, Matthew, Calvin, Andrew, and Peter.

I thought I once heard that Jesus changed Judas’ name to Calvin. Thanks for clarifying!

 

[2nd_Adam]

You forgot John Paul and Benedict.

Okay, I will receive Pope Benedict as a modern day Apostle since he agreed with Martin Luther’s justification by faith alone with the if qualifers added in.

 

[izoid]

Okay, I will receive Pope Benedict as a modern day Apostle since he agreed with Martin Luther’s justification by faith alone with the if qualifers added in.

Awesome. Now that you have accepted his apostolic authority you can now believe everything that he teaches since you heard or read it first hand. You are very close to converting…just say this prayer and…

 

[2nd_Adam]

Awesome. Now that you have accepted his apostolic authority you can now believe everything that he teaches since you heard or read it first hand. You are very close to converting…just say this prayer and…

I freely choose to be a Cafeteria catholic.

 

[ccolley2]

First off, I am most definitely not a “her”, but a him!

In one of my last posts you should have noticed I mentioned that I was working towards being an ordained minister…the Catholic Church does not ordain women. That should have been a dead give away. Good Lord willing I will be ordained to the Diaconate next December.

You come across as an elitist pig the way you treat people on here. I have tried to call you out calmly but you ignore my words that indict you, and you misuse my words that are MY words of glory and praise to Jesus Christ.

Who put you on the web to “measure” us Catholics? What arrogance!

You speak as if you know all Catholics Love the Church and not Christ, but you fail to listen to the Catholics that you accuse. It is not up to us to prove our love for Christ to you.

You say that an Orthodoxy that does not grow our love for God is suspect, but whose standard do you use to measure growth, yours? Who shall decide which spirituality fits the definition, you? Do you even understand the differing spiritualities within the big tent called the Roman Catholic Church?

We must learn to come into a discussion with people of different views with no prejudices. I have been avoiding this forum for about six months because I got jumped by an Episcopalian who had no idea who I was or where I am, all he saw was the fact that he had to “lay down the law” to Lapey as I remember his words.

It’s just sad that people like you purposely disrespect others here, and look down your nose at us Catholics, then refer to yourself as Christian? Then accuse us of being Catholic before Christian? Who do you think you are?

I would be willing to bet there are no Catholics non Christian people here, that doesn’t exit anywhere except in the mind of people like you. This Church was and is the Church of Christian Catholics established by Jesus Christ on the rock Peter. Get over it.

There are hate websites all over the net, go try one. I list my affiliation as Roman Catholic Christian because of that very sad fact. I want you to know who I am.

Now either be a man and own up to your duty and have a civil discussion or take your ball and go home…this is a Catholic website, and I am a Roman Catholic Christian!!!

Bravo! couldn’t have said it better myself! and I will pray for you and your vocation!
Thanks,
CC

 

[Lapey]

Hey brother pig!

You can call me wild boar if you prefer, since I enjoy Luther very much. So, why is your Catholic hope different than my hope in Christ? I think the bridegroom is sufficient for those who put their hope in Him alone.

http://z.about.com/d/urbanlegends/1/0/5/0/1/wild_boar_2.jpg

Guanophore, Izoid, Benidicit, and unidentified Protestant slayer posing with me the wild boar on Catholic Answers.

What is my dad doing in that picture???

Sorry mom, I didn’t mean it!

It’s not realy. I just hadn’t talked with you in a couple of days, I kind of missed you.