Progress with my "trans" child? Maybe

[WA_Catholic]

If the truth causes more mental illness, then there is something much more wrong with them than being trans. Trans people are the gender they were born as period. And pretending otherwise is not only ridiculous but cruel to trans people. I would rather die than call a trans person their preferred pronouns or say they are actually the opposite sex, even if they are my child.

 

[0Scarlett_nidiyilii]

Call me a crusty old bat, but usually when a person claims and posts “all these studies” they’re not quite a s awesome as the person promised.
(Hoping that everyone will be wowed by the overwhelming “evidence” and not read further?)

But again, I intend to delve in

 

[WA_Catholic]

Well I think Catholics hold the truth not only because Jesus founded our faith but that our view lines up with biological observable reality.

 

[DeniseNY]

You need to find the card that will bring down the whole stack of cards. I don’t know what that card will be. I’d probably take her hunting, which will be difficult for her. Or play some football with her. Or take her to a poker game with a bunch of your male friends.

Not all males like sports, hunting, or card games. That doesn’t make them less male.

Some women, do. That doesn’t make them less female.

I don’t see what purpose this would serve.

 

[Rau]

any other medical procedures with the women’s health in mind, even if they have potential impact on the pregnancy, should be entirely her choice

Even if this is accepted, she would need to act within the constraints of law, both civil and moral. However, the pro-abortion lobby go further and declare that:

• her offspring’s well-being is irrelevant;
• she has nil duty of care to her offspring;
• the state may not act contrary to the above.

 

[Rau]

Encouraging such an unhealthy delusion may result in permanent physical damage if they decide to go through with dangerous surgeries.

If a person claims to be Napoleon, they are deluded. If they suffer from a dysphoria, they are not deluded about their body. They suffer a dissonance between their body (and the way people therefore relate to them) and their sense of self - and they seek to overcome that dissonance in the only known way (which is not guaranteed to be effective). I am as horrified at the surgical options as anyone.

 

[Rau]

I just wanted to note that correcting a person with dementia is a matter of opinion, but I don’t think it’s cruelty to do so by any means.

But not arbitrary opinion. A judgement to correct (over and over and over again…) would need to rest on an assessment that such does good, right?

 

[Anrakyr]

Who says my soul doesn’t have a gender? I’m female through and through, down to my soul.

Gender biologically speaking is for procreation. Souls do not need to do that, therefor no.

 

[Raxus]

What if someone told a priest, “I will not call you Father as you are NOT a father and certainly not my father. Just because you think or feel that you are doesn’t make you right and I am not going to give in to your delusion.” Rude or just telling it like it really is?

Not an accurate comparison. We know exactly why we call priests Father, and the priest is also not claiming to be their biological father.

 

[Raxus]

You can tell her that men get a say in defending those who can’t defend themselves, just like anyone else does, and if she doesn’t like it, she can go to her room.

 

[Xarto]

Yes there are useless excuse of people out there in both sexes. However you cannot tar everyone with the same brush. Saying men don’t have a voice is nonsense, some might not exercise it but we have a duty to speak on behalf of our unborn children and I will not allow myself to be cancelled.

 

[VanitasVanitatum]

I thought people agree on child support, but if the focus is on women, that’s probably because most of the arguments center on what the women should choose.

 

[dochawk]

As far as I know, nationally, men have had a little more lax views on abortion than women have,

If you look at the actual leadership of pro-life groups, they are dominated by women.

Decades ago, I worked as an attorney with an Operation Rescue group. I disagreed with their methods, but any other cause would have had attorneys lining up, so I handled a trial.

Anyway, I noticed that a modest majority were women. And further along, I noticed that this majority was pretty much from women who had had abortions, and were horrified and wanted to end this holocaust.

And as much as I disagreed with their methods, it’s tough to argue against the four children who weren’t murdered that day, but were born instead, because they talked to their mothers . . .

 

[Raxus]

Ah, I missed that much. It does sound like the daughter is the one making rifts, though.

 

[Raxus]

I don’t know about that so much; I’m on the fence with requested pronouns, myself. I meant her comment to her dad about not having a voice in the abortion debate.

 

[WA_Catholic]

Never respect “pronoun” requests. I don’t and never will.

 

[Raxus]

Never respect “pronoun” requests. I don’t and never will.

I tend to think about it like Jordan Peterson does, I suppose; if someone I know asks me to use certain pronouns, I probably will; but if anyone tries to force me to, they can kiss my grits.

 

[WA_Catholic]

If someone asked me to I would say no. Reality is subjective and the Church has a clear teaching that transgenderism is bunk. I love God more than some transgender’s feelings. That being said I would not go out of my way to hurt their feelings.

 

[Raxus]

I love God more than some transgender’s feelings.

Well. I would remember that “some transgender” is loved by God too. I don’t necessarily disagree with you, just remember that they’re people. Pick your battles, maybe.

 

[WA_Catholic]

Oh absolutely. If my position has been muddled, let me make it clear: I believe all people no matter who they are, are loved infinitely by God. I just will always refuse to disregard the reality God has shown through the Church in order to protect feelings. I would hope any Catholic would do the same if my feelings could end up being hurt. The Truth is more important than how it makes people feel.