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How the concept of self esteem would be different for Catholics? What metrics would you suggest to apply in a study open to participants with a very diverse ethnic, cultural and religious background?
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whatistrue
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How, exactly?It damages not just the person themselves, but all the people around them.
Again, how? How is society damaged if Joe wants to be called Sue? How is a child’s innocence damaged because Joe/Sue exists?It damages society and the innocence of children in schools.
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Xarto
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Exactly, if we have a hand in making the baby, we have a voice in what happens to it too. I always find it ironic that these same people who want to silence men would be the first looking for maintenance for said children.
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Xarto
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Because trans people are looking to remove the word women and women only spaces. Apparently it “people who menstruate” now, women only toilets etc should be places “women” feel safe and not people who identify as women, women, xmen or whatever.
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Xarto
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When they are getting told they don’t have a voice it’s hard to be heard.
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whatistrue
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Only some, and that is a different issue than their mere existence.Because trans people are looking to remove the word women and women only spaces
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Elf01
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To be fair, the way the law is the woman could have an abortion and the father may not know. She may have one in spite of him being willing to step up.
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BornInMarch
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Well, “transitioning” refers to a larger process that includes sex reassignment surgery but isn’t limited to that. It also includes living as the target gender in everyday life (clothing choices, pronouns, etc.), legal changes (getting one’s gender changed on legal documents), and hormonal treatments (which must be re-taken periodically or else the effects wear off). Some people who transition can’t do all of the above-mentioned steps due to limitations; sex reassignment surgery can be expensive or the transitioning person might be afraid of any surgery, legal changes aren’t possible in every jurisdiction, and even living as the target gender - being “out” - may be too dangerous if the trans person’s family or community is likely to react with violence.There was laughter because detransitioning from an irreversible process is a contradiction.
Oh, okay then. While I have heard of rigorous evaluations, I guess those could be regional practices rather than standard practices.In your defense, a lot of people don’t realize just how easy it is to get hormones.
Planned Parenthood will sell them to you without so much as a psyche eval. Once upon a time, the rules were stricter, but even then unscrupulous practitioners would get around it.
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0Scarlett_nidiyilii
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It’s definitely a medical atrocity going under the radar.Dreadful, unethical, a situation ripe for abuse and many broken lives. And we can’t or won’t rein it in due to PC pressure.
That’s why I have been getting the word out. A lot of people innocently don’t lnow what’s going on.
People over 35 still think that the old model of the gender dysphoria from birth is the dominant narrative. You know, the stories we used to see on Phil Donahue or the occasional TV documentary.
They honestly don’t know how many teenage girls are getting sucked into this because of social media like tiktok, tumbler, instagram…
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0Scarlett_nidiyilii
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Mebbe.Oh, okay then. While I have heard of rigorous evaluations, I guess those could be regional practices rather than standard practices
You see, there is no screening technique to distinguish among the various gender dysphorias, or to predict who will outgrow it if other people would just back off.
I talked to a mom who took her kiddo to a gender clinic and the receptionist. On the first visit. Took her and the daughter to the exam room with the remark “Dr So-and-So will see you and get your right on those hormones.”
I actually doubted this story, but then I talked to a psychologist who confirmed she’d heard this same story over and over.
A lot of people really don’t lnow what’s going on right now.
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Not close, no. But, similiar in that for each there are two sides whom each think they know “truth” and the other is “wrong”.
With dementia, there is no “how many tries it takes”. It only gets worse as time goes by, never better, and each time you’d have a bigger and bigger band-aid to rip.You need to rio the band-aid off right away, no matter how many tries it takes.
A piece of advice I was given when I began working as a nursing home chaplain was “play along, but don’t play into”. For example, if someone says “I want to go home. Mum’s expecting me”, don’t answer “your Mum died 30 years ago”, nor “your Mum said you could stay here tonight”, but rather “did your Mum always wait for you when you came home ?”
That way, you’re not telling lies or encouraging the delusion, you’re helping them tell the particular bit of personal story that’s on their mind. It often helps soothe people.
Some psychologists think people with dementia re-live past episodes from their life in order to find a form of closure and be able to die at peace. If that’s true, then bringing them back to the “real world” kicking and screaming doesn’t help the process. It rather hampers it.
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RolandThompsonGunner
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Why do you have to rip off the band aid, at least with respect to senile old people? The delusions are often not harmful in any way. If grandma tells you she had lunch yesterday with her sister who’s been dead for two years, what’s the harm in just smiling and nodding?I simply can’t comprehend how it is acceptable to keep up such a facade. I furthermore don’t think it’s being “kind” to feed into delusions of any sort. You need to rio the band-aid off right away, no matter how many tries it takes.
It’s not like transgenderism where people may start permanently altering their bodies or taking hormones. If grandma has some pleasant, harmless daydream delusion, is it really critical to try to snap her out of it?
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whatistrue
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Comprehension I cannot help you with. The best I can do is to reiterate that ripping off any number of band-aids, or reminding a person of an event, or even telling them that you really are their child, is not going to make any difference whatsoever in the case of someone suffering from dementia. There is no way that any of that will stick or make them better in any way. Once dementia starts, the very best you can hope for is to slow the progression by medication; stopping or reversing it will not happen. This is not “feeding into a delusion”, it is a recognition of reality. But by all means, if you really want to tell an elderly widow that her husband is dead over and over and over and over and over and over then go ahead and do it. But leave me out of it.I simply can’t comprehend how it is acceptable to keep up such a facade
And the situation with dementia patents is not the same thing as with trans persons. That is just a matter of whether or not the person is more important than your feelings. Again, do what you like but leave me out of it.
I am not doing anyone a service or a disservice; I don’t interact with anyone that I know to be trans. ETA: I don’t mean to say that I will not interact with trans people, but that no one I know to be trans happens to be among the people I interact with normally.you are performing a great disservice to these people
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whatistrue
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That is very much like the advice that the neurologist and hospice care nurses told the family while my mother was fading. One of her things was talking about her mother coming to pick her up and take her home to Florida. Of course her mother had been dead for decades, but I can’t help but wonder if “coming to take her home” was her failing mind’s version of getting to see her mother again in Heaven. And the fact that she was unaware that her eldest son had died about 5 months before she did didn’t do her any harm as far as I could tell.A piece of advice I was given when I began working as a nursing home chaplain was “play along, but don’t play into”.
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Well someone thought it was okay to bring dementia into the topic.It’s not like transgenderism where people may start permanently altering their bodies or taking hormones. If grandma has some pleasant, harmless daydream delusion, is it really critical to try to snap help out of it?
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Lara
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You might need a separate thread. I read the beginning but not all the studies. It will take some time.
Religion has a lot to do with data. For instance, in my view, thinking of others is most important to my mental health. My definition of who I am and my happiness BEGINS with how I fit into society and serve others. In secular thought, I’m supposed to take care of me first in order to help others. Obviously, some self-care is needed but it is best fit it around the needs of others for good mental health.
Take another concept: self-confidence. To be unconfident is actually very selfish. To focus on yourself and your failings is not going to help others, and may in fact make you blind to the troubles of others. Humility is good, but unconfidence is bad (and selfish). So a religious person can never find common ground with a secular person because the parameters are so different.
Religion has a lot to do with data. For instance, in my view, thinking of others is most important to my mental health. My definition of who I am and my happiness BEGINS with how I fit into society and serve others. In secular thought, I’m supposed to take care of me first in order to help others. Obviously, some self-care is needed but it is best fit it around the needs of others for good mental health.
Take another concept: self-confidence. To be unconfident is actually very selfish. To focus on yourself and your failings is not going to help others, and may in fact make you blind to the troubles of others. Humility is good, but unconfidence is bad (and selfish). So a religious person can never find common ground with a secular person because the parameters are so different.
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Lara
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Who says my soul doesn’t have a gender? I’m female through and through, down to my soul.
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Lara
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To the OP: I’m leaving this thread now, but I want to say that fighting the transgender ideology of your daughter is going to take an intricate strategy. It is a war of sorts, and going at things head on might be only one of many possible strategies.
You need to find the card that will bring down the whole stack of cards. I don’t know what that card will be. I’d probably take her hunting, which will be difficult for her. Or play some football with her. Or take her to a poker game with a bunch of your male friends. Find out what aspect of being a male she simply cannot bear. Or what aspects of being female she finds the most difficult. For instance, she may not be able to wear nylons, wear a dress or do traditionally girly things, but that shouldn’t mean she’s less female. Find out more about her experiences in elementary school that may have left an imprint. She may just want more of your time and energy. A father-daughter trip might be in order.
You need to find the card that will bring down the whole stack of cards. I don’t know what that card will be. I’d probably take her hunting, which will be difficult for her. Or play some football with her. Or take her to a poker game with a bunch of your male friends. Find out what aspect of being a male she simply cannot bear. Or what aspects of being female she finds the most difficult. For instance, she may not be able to wear nylons, wear a dress or do traditionally girly things, but that shouldn’t mean she’s less female. Find out more about her experiences in elementary school that may have left an imprint. She may just want more of your time and energy. A father-daughter trip might be in order.
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0Scarlett_nidiyilii
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I went through the first eight.I urge everyone in this thread to read the linked analysis and give their thoughts
One was over 20 years old, one was about old people transitioning (admittedly a tiny sample), one was paid for by a trans activist group.
Mostly it’s about male to female.
I’ll keep looking, but this is hardly the smoking gun folks are looking for.
Haven’t found anything yet about the recent new uptic of female to male teens, but admittedly I’m still looking.
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