Progress with my "trans" child? Maybe

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Anonkun said:
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DeniseNY:
I think what they actually want is to be treated with basic human dignity.
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Lying to family members is in no way related to basic human dignity.

If your grandparents were suffering from dementia and believed monsters were hiding in the TV, would you agree with them out of “dignity?”
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What does this have to do with a transgendered child?
 
This is by the worst advice I have ever seen on this forum compounded by nonsense gender theory as rationale. OP, please ignore this advice.
 
And you can’t do just that by not buying into their delusions. A man is a man and a woman is a woman. Love for your child does not erase that fact. You can still treat people with respect and still say that what they believe to be true is wrong.
 
amt1985 said:
, if you’ve ever wanted to ask questions of someone who’s had transgender surgery, now’s your chance! Cheers! 😉
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How do you know I already haven’t?
My experience with the trans community is not hypothetical.
 
Fair enough.

In your defense, a lot of people don’t realize just how easy it is to get hormones.
Planned Parenthood will sell them to you without so much as a psyche eval.

Once upon a time, the rules were stricter, but even then unscrupulous practitioners would get around it.
 
I’ve had real life experience and conversations with school and psyche nurses and clinical therapists who have seen an unexplainable increase in cases in the last five to ten years.
And how they have to discuss their concerns in whispers while looking over their shoulder.

I’ve talked to parents who had happy girls until the moment something upset them, and then they jumped on the trans train.
And became extremely aggressive and demanding.

I’ve interacted with these girls myself.

And seen some de-transitions.

I know these people, and how much they’re acting in good faith.

But I don’t know you.
 
And I don’t know you. So what? My comment was not directed at you specifically, but to anyone here who might want to ask a trans person directly about trans issues. I am making myself available should anyone choose to take me up on it. Perhaps someone will, or perhaps they won’t. C’est la vie.
 
0Scarlett_nidiyilii said:
In your defense, a lot of people don’t realize just how easy it is to get hormones.
Planned Parenthood will sell them to you without so much as a psyche eval.

Once upon a time, the rules were stricter, but even then unscrupulous practitioners would get around it.
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Follow the money trail. Here’s the thing. By swallowing the PC lie that this is so widespread, along with the other lie that no one wanting to transition is just wrong or wanting it for wrong reasons, it makes perfect sense that psyche evals would be skipped or take the form of rubber-stamping the client’s intentions. And then of course, a psyche eval might derail customers when hey, there’s money to be made here, a lot of money. Dreadful, unethical, a situation ripe for abuse and many broken lives. And we can’t or won’t rein it in due to PC pressure.
 
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Anonkun said:
I’m just saying you’re doing a disservice to people by lying to them.
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Allowing someone with dementia to continue on their path without reminding them at every opportunity of their losses is not lying. And how is it a disservice to avoid inflicting pain when there is no point or benefit to it? You are not “keeping up a delusion”, since the delusion will be there regardless of what you do or don’t do; that is the nature of dementia. So what is wrong with a little kindness?

As far as applying this to a transgender individual, you can make your position clear without being mean or confrontational about it.
 
Lara said:
I don’t want a relationship with people who don’t respect my freedom even if they are my children. You didn’t respond to my comment on this part of the debate. What transgender people want is to twist my arm behind my back and force me to use their pronouns, as well as force me to believe what they believe about gender. Then if I don’t, they can say, “you are responsible for making me commit suicide?’”
How do you define love? Because to me, this is the opposite of love.
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Someone who is transgender is obviously suffering a great deal, and it may be a matter of life and death to let them know that you’re there for them, even though you may not agree with their decisions. This may include using a different name. That seems like a small thing to help someone through a dark time. Does your freedom take precedence over being a witness to someone’s pain?
 
Lucy_1 said:
Does your freedom take precedence over being a witness to someone’s pain?
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It is not either/or. I can’t imagine the fear and pain I’d feel, if I were in this parents position. The fear and pain, of course, stems from love for them, and not so much about my own freedom. If I’m dreadfully afraid that you’re about to make a extremely big mistake and ruin your life or greatly exacerbate your problems, perhaps permanently, then perhaps, I might temporarily use the pronoun, so that I could, in love, beg you to reconsider or slow down or make sure this really necessary.

But I don’t know if I could use the pronouns permanently. It would feel like I was reinforcing a potentially life-crippling delusion. And that is not love either. Truly stuck between a rock and a hard place. Alas, I see no easy answer here. Each way is fraught with difficulties.
 
So calling a person by the name they were given at birth results in pain? I believe either way, they are going to be in pain because they are mentally ill. They create a chasm of pain for themselves. When you consider that for years, the left has been trying to erase gender differences, telling short women they can be effective firefighters, telling men they can wear makeup in regular life, not just for television etc., then it becomes clear that the range of gender expression within your own gender is already boundless. So there is no need to identify with the opposite gender.

Besides, it’s impossible for a man to become a woman. He will never have a period, or know what it means to have the ability to bring forth life. His arms will always be masculine, his hip structure, his bones.

It’s even impossible for me as a woman to imagine being a small, overweight woman, since I’m tall. You can’t just become something you are not.
 
Are these studies written from the point of view of faithful Catholics?

Tolerance in itself is not a virtue. Tolerating evil is not virtuous. Transitioning one’s gender is evil. It damages not just the person themselves, but all the people around them. It damages society and the innocence of children in schools. Now many children have to deal with some trans person at school.
 
Lara said:
Are these studies written from the point of view of faithful Catholics?
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Scientific studies are not theology, are based on data.
Data can be more or less reliable based on the sample size, parameters chosen and methods used to collect/analyze data.
 
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It was an example of the freedom you have within your own gender. I do care, but would not advocate for attacking them. They don’t improve society by wearing makeup.
 
But secular studies assume certain things. For instance, the concept of self-esteem in its secular form would influence a study on mental health.
 
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