Prophesey and speaking in tounges

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“Mohammed was not visited by an angel unless it was a fallen angel. He taught that Jesus was not God; how could that teaching come from God.”

I have studied Mohammed, and read the Quran and found no evidence of Mohammed discerning Jesus as a Prophet, a whole book is dedicated to the Holy Mother, and Mohammed and his followers have suffered hardship also trying to be accepted by other Tribes. I think the first thing toward Holiness is understanding…Jesus had understanding…It is not mentioned in Wikipedia but I saw the movie in the 70’s and it portrayed Mohammed as having been blind…a man of Peace.the movie was banned from viewing after I saw it. There was a time of division but a time of Unity…Also Muhammad at times was protected by Christians and encouraged to preach by Christians

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhammad
“Tradition records at great length the persecution and ill-treatment of Muhammad and his followers.”
“According to the tradition, when Muhammad was either nine or twelve whilst accompanying the Meccans’ caravan to Syria met a Christian Monk or hermit named Bahira who is said to have foreseen the career of Muhammed as a prophet of God.[50]”
“Islamic tradition relates that some time in 620, Muhammad experienced the Isra and Mi’raj, a miraculous journey said to have been accomplished in one night along with the angel Gabriel. In the first part of the journey, the Isra, he is said to have travelled from Mecca to “the farthest mosque” (in Arabic: masjid al-aqsa), which Muslims usually identify with the Al-Aqsa Mosque in Jerusalem.In the second part, the Miraj, Muhammad is said to have toured heaven and hell, and spoken with earlier prophets, such as Abraham, Moses, and Jesus”

"Abu l-Qasim Muhammad ibn ‘Abd Allāh al-Hashimi al-Qurashi (Arabic: محمد‎‎[2] Muḥammad; (Mohammed, Muhammed, Mahomet)[3][4][5] (c. 570 Mecca – June 8, 632 Medina),[6] was the founder of the world religion of Islam and is regarded by Muslims as the last messenger and prophet of God (Arabic: الله‎).[7] Muslims consider him the restorer of the original, uncorrupted monotheistic faith (islām) of Adam, Abraham and others. They see him as the last and the greatest in a series of prophets of Islam.[8][9][10] Muhammad is also regarded as a prophet by the Druze and as a Manifestation of God by the Bahá’í Faith. He was also active as a diplomat, merchant, orator, legislator, general and reformer.[11]

The principal and most credible source of information for the life of Muhammad is the Qur’an.[12][13] Next in importance are the historical works by writers of third and fourth century of the Muslim era.[14] Sources on Muhammad’s life concur that he was born ca. 570 CE in the city of Mecca in Arabia.[15] He was orphaned at a young age and was brought up by his uncle, later worked mostly as a merchant, and was married by age 26. At some point, discontented with life in Mecca, he retreated to a cave in the surrounding mountains for meditation and reflection. According to Islamic tradition, it was here at age 40, in the month of Ramadan, where he received his first revelation from God. Three years after this event, Muhammad started preaching these revelations publicly, proclaiming that “God is One”, that complete “surrender” to Him (lit. islām)[16] is the only way (dīn),[17] acceptable to God, and that he was a prophet and messenger of God, in the same vein as Adam, Noah, Abraham, Moses, David, Jesus, and other prophets.[18][12][10]
 
“Mohammed was not visited by an angel unless it was a fallen angel. He taught that Jesus was not God; how could that teaching come from God.”
Hi

I don’t agree with your views.

Muhammad prophesised the following:

Yushaku man aasha minkum ianyulka eisabna maryama imamun mahduyyun , hakamun iadualun yakserus saleba wa yaktulul khinzera

One who would be alive (at that time), he would meet Issa (JesusYeshua) s/o Maryam (MaryMerium) in the position of ImamMahdi (DivineGuided), a truthful judge (among faiths/religions); he would break the Cross (with arguments) and kill the swine. (Masnad Ahmad 156/2)

Abu Hurairah narrated from the Prophet Muhammad SAW that he said:
I swear by Him in whose hands rests my life or death that you would definitely witness advent of the Ibne Maryam (Son of Mary); a truthful judge (among faiths/religions), he would break the Cross (with arguments) and kill the swine and suspend the war (for religious conversion).
(Bukhari Kitabul Anbeya, Bab Nazul-e Essa Ibne Maryam)

Muhammad’s prophecy has been fullfilled in the form of the PromisedMessiah 1835-1908.

Kindly just look into it, no compulsion for believing.

I love Jesus and Mary

Thanks
 
“Mohammed was not visited by an angel unless it was a fallen angel. He taught that Jesus was not God; how could that teaching come from God.”

Everyone this was not my quote; but an earlier posting,

I believe Mohammed was visited by the Angel Gabriel and a True Prophet who walked with other True Prophets…Mohammed’s purpose was to lead and unite the Arabic world under One God.
As has been posted…Wisdom brings Understanding.

He was encouraged by other Christians in his travels
 
Hi

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Muhammad’s prophecy has been fullfilled in the form of the PromisedMessiah 1835-1908.

Kindly just look into it, no compulsion for believing.

I love Jesus and Mary

Thanks
I am glad you are embracing the All such as I am…I believe many prophets have been on Earth to Teach and Unite…For the sake of Peace, Love, Compassion, Harmony, Humanity, and God

Sorry for the confusion…

Nancy
 
I am glad you are embracing the All such as I am…I believe many prophets have been on Earth to Teach and Unite…For the sake of Peace, Love, Compassion, Harmony, Humanity, and God

Sorry for the confusion…

Nancy
Hi

Well, I don’t see any confusion around.

Thanks
 
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Can you validate a claim that supernatural occurences were not occuring, or occuring very little during this time? Are you saying you know this? Were you told this by someone or have you studied what took place in the historical period known as antiquity? We have more detailed historical knowledge about what took place in medieval times. There is no time that the Church has not seen miracles. Are you saying that is not true, and if so you should question this, because there is no way of proving it.
I said there were less compared to the period of the early church during the time of persecution where many saints and martyrs were made. I am confident enough to know what I am saying without having to disclose myself in the internet.
What does this have to do with whether the goings on at thousands of pentacostal meetings are genuine?
I am not interested in Pentecostal meetings and I am not part of them if they are not Catholics.

It is the truth that priestly and religious vocations decreased in the last 40 years compared to the period before that. At the same time we see the rise among the laity after Vatican II to participate in the church. This is a marked moved of the Holy Spirit in the last century to keep the church constantly alive. Please refer to my quotes of what JP2 and Mother Teresa said about it.
I personally know a number of sincere good Christians involved in these things, as I know sincere Jehovah’s witnesses, Mormons, Calvinists, etc. That is irrelevant.
It is relevant. If you don’t believe it is then you are denying the work of the Holy Spirit that builds up believers according to God’s purpose. It is IRRELEVANT to compare other Christians to Catholics whom I mentioned. Sincerity and holiness is not exactly the same.

I said, “Surely there are good Christians in the (Catholic) Charismatic Renewals and I can vouch for that with certainty. And it is not about just the Charismatic Gifts; it is about renewing their love for God, for prayer, for Sacraments, for Mary and for evangelization. I know many of these people really pray”.
God’s primary concern for us is our personal holiness and salvation. Living a holy life has nothing necessarily to do with speaking or babbling in tongues, prophesying, or anything else of the like.
That was exactly what I said. Personal holiness the priority and the gifts are not. You look more and more like an idiot when you did not pay attention to what I said. There goes my weakness …
I may see increased energy in people who get involved in “the movement”. They are excitable, but I also see many having problems like divorce, leaving the Church, etc.
You are being judgmental. You can see but you cannot see their hearts, only God can. Are you denying what I said is not true? I said this, “This is exactly the turning point of their lives – from sinners to holiness. How did they realize that they were sinners and what power that enabled many of them to make 180 degrees turn in their lives in repentance? This is the Holy Spirit that works in us”.
You say often that something is ok if you can make a Biblical connection. Your first tool of analysis is, is it Biblical. Here is what the Bible says about the way we can know if we love God. It is Catholic dogma that love of God is necessary for salvation. This then should be our primary concern, over fireworks and excitement. In a number of places in the Bible we see that the test is obedience. Jesus says if we love Him we will keep his sayings. John says the love of God subsists in obedience. So we can go to all the meetings in the world, get all worked up about miracles, prophesy, healing, tongues and all the rest and if we do not love = obey we are lost. Paul says we are clanging gongs. If this is true, and you are correct that you can do it with divine assistance. What does holiness consist of? It is divine love. So shouldn’t this come first? If God wants miracles to happen, and He must, because they do, let Him make them happen. First we have to love, and last.
You are an idiot again for misquoting me. I believe LOVE OF GOD IS NECESSARY. BUT DO YOU KNOW WHAT IT ENTAILS TO LOVE GOD? JESUS LOVES THE FATHER WITH HIS LIFE. I WANT TO LOVE GOD LIKE HOW JESUS LOVES BUT MY FLESH IS WEAK AND SO MOST OF THE TIME I NEED THE STRENGTH OF GOD TO HELP ME TO LOVE HIM by the power of the Holy Spirit. Not necessarily die physically but at least die to the self.
 
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Not only do we not deserve them, does deserving obtain them, but nothing we can do can obtain them.
So what’s your getting at since I was saying just that? I said, “I have emphasized this in my earlier posts but perhaps they were not noticed. Charismatic gifts are given by God as gifts. No amount of what we do can deserve them”.
The wind blows where it will. God chooses those he chooses and they do not ask for the gifts they receive. Making a lot of noise saying choose me, choose me, is a waste of time. Padre Pio did not ask for the stigmata or his gifts. Joan of Arc did not ask for visions or to be chosen to save France. It happened by God’s mysterious will. Charismatics desire to see this stuff in their midst or in themselves. I have seen it from coast to coast. Every time they meet they get fired up about it.
Did I say we must ask for the gift? Another instant of not paying attention to what I said. Are you really senile? There goes my weakness again …

They are excited because they experience God’s love so tangibly in their lives that moved them to holiness. Granted, some people do have low level of excitement but what’s wrong when you are excited for God? People can be excited by many things – pop stars, football, but what’s wrong if you are excited for God rather than other things?
I have been to charismatic meetings from coast to coast. They are all pretty much the same. The people who get into it in the end over the long haul are not saints. They are just like everyone else with the same problems and their kids get into problems as well. Again, the bottom line is holiness, victory over sin, love of God, obedience. Those are the fruits to look for. Nothing else matters. It is a cart before the horse problem. Holiness comes before extraordinary gifts. Gifts don’t come before holiness. Holiness is not tied to gifts. Gifts without hoiness or love are worthless and that is from Saint Paul.
So what’s the problem that’s they are like everyone else? YOU DID NOT PAY ATTENTION TO MY POST !!!
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I was being sarcastic. It comes from constantly hearing the bit from charismatics about mature Christinas having the power to discern whether xyz if of the Holy Spirit. Who is a mature Chrisitian and how has the goft of dicernment? How do you know this person qualifies? You can’t. Maybe someone in your prayer group says Joe is a mature Christian who discerns. Who ordained Joe to this office or function. Is Joe infallible that you would trust what he says?
Discernment is a gift of the Holy Spirit. I said, “Discernment enables the person to sort out the many prompting and impulses of each day so that his will is better able to be united to God’s will. As a person begins “to walk in the Spirit”, God shows him that many of his impulses and activities come from a selfish nature and must brought into line with the divine plan. On the other hand, discernment also helps the person not to go overboard spiritually, but to maintain the needed balance so that singularity or practices far beyond the person’s strength are avoided”.

Please pay attention to what I said and address them accordingly. We can never be hundred percent sure and if by your reasoning then nobody can hold any position in the church since they must always be right. How do you appoint Eucharistic ministers then? Or people with important task in the church?

We make mistake but if we have try surely God honours people who wants to serve him.
Very Protestant. Really, that is the crux of it. You or we should use scripture on our own to decide for ourselves truth. You repeat this line over and over. I decide for MYSELF, or my little group decides for OURSELVES, XYZ is good, because I have found some reference of it in the Bible.
You try to paint me with the Protestant brush and no wonder your tone is full of consuming hate and prejudice. I say this – Protestants don’t interest me and I don’t advocate Protestantism. I said, “I think we have to decide whether they are Biblical or not first and move from there”. I said Bible so that at least there is a starting point. Of course that goes without saying that we have to balance things with the teachings of the church too. Are you saying what Paul says in 1 Cor 12 is false?
 
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Charismatics do appoint their leaders based on their own criteria. How would you know anyone’s life is free from major sin? Do you hear their confessions? How would you be able to judge anyone’s relationship with God. Again, very Protestant. Are you saved? Do you have a personal relationship with Jesus? Do you know Him as your personal savior? Have you invited Him into your heart?
Again the bigotry. What a pitiful man are you for one who has reached such a maturity in age? How do we choose anybody then? What’s the difference? Since I am not Protestant I cannot answer you with anything Protestantism but this show you are in such a pitiful state.
This is not prophesy. If you think it is you are deluded.
You are the one who is ignorant. The gift of prophecy is not foretelling and giving directive (very rarely) as you implied in your earlier post.

Well, what is the gift of prophecy then? Maybe you can show me something new.
Exactly. You hear it all over the place all the time. It is nothing but sentimental emotional gushing.
You despise inspired message which you denied earlier on when you said you don’t restrain the Holy Spirit. I said, “someone may feel supernatural prompting to say, for example, ‘My children, I have always loved you’. It may be from God or it may be from the human mind but this type of prophecy is not from the evil one since it is Biblical”.

If it is sentimental emotional gushing then it is from the human mind. But are you denying that God does not love us?

Healing can be the healing of the emotion and spiritual, very seldom physical. What’s wrong if a person can be healed in some way? What’s wrong with that especially if the experience bring his focus back to God?
There are thousands of denominations. Denominationalism is a sin. There are people who gather whose theology is absurd, although they would claim it is Biblical. God still loves them, but they are off track. Three women were praying in Florida some years ago and claim the Holy Spirit fell on them. They were reading the passage about the grain of mustard see. They took off their clothing, smeared themselves with mustard and ran around the streets and got arrested.
You are off the topic as I am not interested in non-Catholicism. I said, “But the Bible says when two or three of you gathered in my name I will be in your midst, and the Psalm says I will inhibit the praise of my people. And if we gather will the sole purpose for Jesus, we can be quite sure God honours his word”. These are from the Bible. You seem to be anti-Bible or you do not believe in what it says.

There are some pertinent points that I said that you omit out, namely the love of God for those who are renewed in their faith. I mentioned that love is for prayer, the Bible, Mary, the Holy Eucharist and the Pope. Now what can be so wrong with that? Will not that result in personal holiness?

I continue responding to you because you keep on misquoting what I said and I need to straighten those. You can win this argument but at least I made myself clear especially for other readers. I am quite exasperated and I don’t usually use harsh words unnecessarily. You seem to thrive in an argument of futility by creating things that I did not say.

Reuben
 
I never quite understood the use of prophesy and speaking in tounges in religions such as Pentacostalism. I am Catholic and know someone who is part of the Assemblies of God. I went to a service and a prayer meeting. I felt very uncomfortable by what was going on. The pastors wife is a prophetess, and a healer. They encourage speaking in tounges as well. I guess these questons are for Pentacostals or anybody that knows anything about this subject.
  1. Can Prohets prophesy about anything ? Can their prophesys be extremly general such as saying that they prophesy that the crooked paths are going to be made straight or telling someone that they are going to have dreams in the future and to come in and talk to prophet to interpret?
  2. When the pastor prays he speaks in a laungage that sounds like Hebrew and you can easliy repeat what he says. I thought when a person speaks in tounges it sounds like a unknown foriegn laungage that you cannot understand. Is this true? or is he just praying in Hebrew?
  3. For healing when someone gets sick the pastors wife prays for them and when they get better she writes a testamony and puts it on the wall. Is this normal practice?
I am just perplexed :confused: and need a little insight
Ok, I consider myself to be non denominational. However if I had to choose a denomination it would be one that believes in healing and tongues and such. Only because Jesus said before he left that those that followed Him would be able to do all the things he did and more. So he also says that those that follow after me will lay hand s on the sick and they will be healed. However i dont believe everyone has to speak in tongues, it is helpful because when you are praying in tongues the holy Spirit is interceding to the Father for you through you. Its like you make yourself an instrument to be used… The Bible says we dont always know how we should pray. So that is where the holy spirit comes in…As for the language sounding hebrew, well it is the holy spirit i suppose he can sound all different ways… That is not important. What is important is you are right where you need to be in a faith church. Did you know you can ask the holy spirit for the gift of tongues and he will give it to you… You see he is drawling you near to Him and that is why you are curious… i wouldn’t be at all surprised if you recieve the gift of tongues. Awsome huh!!!
 
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I said there were less compared to the period of the early church during the time of persecution where many saints and martyrs were made. I am confident enough to know what I am saying without having to disclose myself in the internet.
Obedience and love are the same. He gives us the means to obey Him. If He gives us commands that are impossible to obey that would make Him unjust. These means are the sacraments, primarily Confession and Holy Communion for practicing Catholics. If we approach them properly God strengthens us with the power to love and obey Him. Charity is a gift of God. It is the crowning virtue. It is necessary for salvation. When we have it we are in fact like Jesus. We die to self and are perfectly willing to die physically for Him also.

God bless you,God’s Idiot
 
Obedience and love are the same. He gives us the means to obey Him. If He gives us commands that are impossible to obey that would make Him unjust. These means are the sacraments, primarily Confession and Holy Communion for practicing Catholics. If we approach them properly God strengthens us with the power to love and obey Him. Charity is a gift of God. It is the crowning virtue. It is necessary for salvation. When we have it we are in fact like Jesus. We die to self and are perfectly willing to die physically for Him also.

God bless you,God’s Idiot
Wow you leave me speechless ok maybe i didnt understand what u where trying to say Uh please forgive the idiot…Because really i am just starting to learn. I think i might have responded to your reply by accident. I dont think I was talking to you it was some one else but ok God Bless You!!!JThanks for (name removed by moderator)ut…
 
Jesus stated to the same ladies at a later date"Those that do not accept my Mother, I will not accept them."
Nancy,

A couple of points here. As far as I know, no judgement has been made by the Church in regard to the three women you mentioned. If this is the case, then, according to the teachings of the Catholic Church, of which Jesus Christ is the Head and of which He said the gates of Hell will not prevail, leaves it up to the believer to decide for themselves whether that believe in the authenticity of any given apparition. The Church usually does nothing with them and only condemns them if there is doctrinal error. Failure to condemn does not imply approval.

Gianna Talone Sullivan’s purported messages were condemned by the Church because they contained false teachings regarding the second coming of Jesus. Sullivan claimed that Mary said Jesus would return as an infant.

Let’s take a closer look at the purported quote of Jesus. If the quote is accurate then Jesus did not say we have to accept the apparition, He said we have to accept Mary. As a Catholic I have no problem with Mary but I have a lot of Protestant friends who, for one reason or another, have no particular devotion to or even interest in Mary. If the quote is accurate, then Jesus and the teachings of the Catholic Church regarding the salvation of non-Catholics are at odds with each other. In that case the gates of Hell have prevailed against the Church and Jesus either lied or erred. I don’t believe that to be the case so I’m going to have to say that your three women, regardless of how good intentioned they may be, are either not really hearing from Jesus and Mary or are misreporting what they have been told.

Gary
 
The contents of this website have been discerned by the Batavia Visionary’s spiritual advisor and a panel of priests as containing nothing which contravenes faith and morals
That’s great but meaningless. They cannot decide the authenticity of an apparition. That is up to the local bishop unless there are extraordinary circumstances.

Gary
 
Wow you leave me speechless ok maybe i didnt understand what u where trying to say Uh please forgive the idiot…Because really i am just starting to learn. I think i might have responded to your reply by accident. I dont think I was talking to you it was some one else but ok God Bless You!!!JThanks for (name removed by moderator)ut…
Please let me apologize to all. I was answering another person’s post who called me an idiot, by accepting the insult. I am God’s idiot. No harm done.
 
I have studied Mohammed, and read the Quran and found no evidence of Mohammed discerning Jesus as a Prophet, a whole book is dedicated to the Holy Mother, and Mohammed and his followers have suffered hardship also trying to be accepted by other Tribes.
Islam teaches that Jesus was a very great prophet, second only to Muhammad. Jesus is not the son of God (9:30) and not divine (5:17, 75)). According to Islam he was not crucified (4:157) because they believe it is absurd to thing that God could die.

Muslims do have a devotion to Mary but they are still a false religion and Mohammed is a false prophet.

Gary
 
Nancy,

Another point I just remembered regarding Islam. The Vatican recently released a document discouraging Catholic women from marrying men of the Islamic faith. That seems a strange thing to do if the faiths were compatible.

Gary
 
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You are an idiot again for misquoting me. I believe LOVE OF GOD IS NECESSARY. BUT DO YOU KNOW WHAT IT ENTAILS TO LOVE GOD? JESUS LOVES THE FATHER WITH HIS LIFE. I WANT TO LOVE GOD LIKE HOW JESUS LOVES BUT MY FLESH IS WEAK AND SO MOST OF THE TIME I NEED THE STRENGTH OF GOD TO HELP ME TO LOVE HIM by the power of the Holy Spirit. Not necessarily die physically but at least die to the self.
:tsktsk: I don’t want to get in on this one but, Matt.5:22 states calling another a fool ( translates to idiot in the new living translation) can send ones soul to hell. I’ve got my faults also, but it helps me if someone point these scriptures out to me. God’s peace to both of you.🙂
 
Ok, I consider myself to be non denominational. However if I had to choose a denomination it would be one that believes in healing and tongues and such. Only because Jesus said before he left that those that followed Him would be able to do all the things he did and more. So he also says that those that follow after me will lay hand s on the sick and they will be healed. However i dont believe everyone has to speak in tongues, it is helpful because when you are praying in tongues the holy Spirit is interceding to the Father for you through you. Its like you make yourself an instrument to be used… The Bible says we dont always know how we should pray. So that is where the holy spirit comes in…As for the language sounding hebrew, well it is the holy spirit i suppose he can sound all different ways… That is not important. What is important is you are right where you need to be in a faith church. Did you know you can ask the holy spirit for the gift of tongues and he will give it to you… You see he is drawling you near to Him and that is why you are curious… i wouldn’t be at all surprised if you recieve the gift of tongues. Awsome huh!!!
As a former protestant, I visited with many different denominations. Many believed in the gifts, especially tongues. Never did I see this happen in accordance with the instructions in the Bible, 1 Corinthians 14 especially 26-33. For God is not a God of disorder, but of peace. The Bible states only one speak in tongues at a time and only with someone to interpret. I was always shocked at how disorderly the services were and never have I seen anyone interperate what was being said. So much for following the very detailed instructions in the Bible. Go to a Mass, you won’t believe the holiness and the wonderful feeling you get without everybody getting all emotional. It Can Only be the HOLY SPIRIT and the TRUE PRESENCE OF CHRIST IN THE EUCHARIST. I’ve been learning the catholic faith for several years, but only started going to Mass last summer. I can’t imagine ever going anywhere else. Even my nephew, who is mentally disabled loves the Mass and gets excited about going and I know he really doesn’t understand everything but knows we are worshiping God. From what I’ve learned the catholic church believes in all the gifts but, not in the Mass do they believe in disorder.
 
As a former protestant, I visited with many different denominations. Many believed in the gifts, especially tongues. Never did I see this happen in accordance with the instructions in the Bible, 1 Corinthians 14 especially 26-33. For God is not a God of disorder, but of peace. The Bible states only one speak in tongues at a time and only with someone to interpret. I was always shocked at how disorderly the services were and never have I seen anyone interperate what was being said. So much for following the very detailed instructions in the Bible. Go to a Mass, you won’t believe the holiness and the wonderful feeling you get without everybody getting all emotional. It Can Only be the HOLY SPIRIT and the TRUE PRESENCE OF CHRIST IN THE EUCHARIST. I’ve been learning the catholic faith for several years, but only started going to Mass last summer. I can’t imagine ever going anywhere else. Even my nephew, who is mentally disabled loves the Mass and gets excited about going and I know he really doesn’t understand everything but knows we are worshiping God. From what I’ve learned the catholic church believes in all the gifts but, not in the Mass do they believe in disorder.
yeah , i totally agree with you about chaos and disorder. I also witnessed such in services as well. So maybe sometime i can go to a mass. I don’t really know much about them, but i am going to read up on the mass. Thanks
 
Please let me apologize to all. I was answering another person’s post who called me an idiot, by accepting the insult. I am God’s idiot. No harm done.
That guy is wrong for calling you and idiot. It says in the bible not to do that. I know you say you don’t mind but i wouldn’t claim it!
 
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