Protestant women and contraceptives, my weird jealousy?

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Thanks, I know we only see their best foot forward most times but even the Catholic moms videos, we never know what they’re going through either. We all have problems. My question was a bit different and relating to what I’ve mentioned about invincible ignorance etc… and them being at peace with this particular issue thank you
 
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Rather, pray for them, as they are laboring (sorry!) under the gross misconception (sorry again!) that God is “OK” with all aspects of their lives. Not so! How Christian can they truly be if their lives are easy, convenient and pain free?

As comedian Steven Wright said:
"I had a dream that all of the babies prevented by the pill showed up.

They were mad"
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Thank you. That is part of my point, some do die that way and they won’t be culpable because of their ignorance so their “pain freeness” gets a free pass.
 
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I’m aware that may sound strange to many but I do wonder if my having the “fullness of truth” benefits me more in any way (sorry that sounds selfish but that’s the only way I know how to describe it) than Protestant Jane if we’re both following our conscience except she can keep her good health etc…
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St Gianna Mola was diagnosed with an uterus fibroma during her fourth pregnancy. According to the principle of double effect she could have had an hysterectomy to save her life by removing her uterus and, as an unintended consequence, end the life of her child.

She refused to get the hysterectomy and told the doctors that her child’s life was more important than her own. She died 7 days after giving birth to her daughter.

In a time where the moral law is seen as a burden and trusting God instead of resorting to any “loophole” or excuse could be labeled as “tempting God”, the courageous example of St Gianna Molla rings a bell in our consciences. By the intercession of St Gianna Molla may God give you and your husband the grace to do what is true and good
 
I think of her often, I was just on another thread where someone mentioned a case of a young mother who died of pregnancy related complications and left orphans behind. It’s heartbreaking to know that they all lost their nurturer, their mother and it’s hard to understand how that’s ok in Gods eyes, in the Catholic view. I see God as so understanding of this woman would have decided she wanted to keep her health for the sake of raising her children which were a gift from God.

PS-it’s not easy for me to post these questions, somehow i feel not Catholic enough sometimes on this forum but I do know that unless I’m honest I can’t grow in my faith so I trust God will open up some understanding as I ask to understand more.
 
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And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.
 
Ignorance is bliss? It might be, but it’s still ignorant. It might be true that the truth makes you suffer more, at least physically. It’s the paradox of Christianity, stated in the Beatitudes: Blessed are they who mourn etc. Someone above said they think artificial contraception is OK, and I think a lot of Catholics do. It makes sense to me that it isn’t, though, and it’s had such a destructive influence on society generally, on relationships, and the family especially. Sex that is closed to life — just that concept is anti-sex. Anyway. As far as I know, a woman does not have to sacrifice herself if her pregnancy is life threatening.
 
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Thank you for bringing up the Beatitudes, it makes sense to me when looking at it that way. They are Jesus’ words after all. I guess my point was that for the ignorant woman keeping her health with birth control without violating her conscience, seems like if she died tomorrow she’d be ok because she didn’t know it was a moral evil and her earthly life avoided that kind of pain.
As far as your last sentence I am guessing you mean marital abstinence.
 
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if they persevere in faith, they will ultimately be delighted to be in the very same purgatory which they now reject.
 
I think I see what you’re saying except they would be rejecting something they are ignorant of, therefore not culpable of according to our Catholic faith.
Thank you.
 
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We never see behind the scenes.

While today it is YouTube channels, back in the day it was personal appearances. My father was (is) in full time public ministry on the international stage. As each of us kids were born, we entered into the same ministry. I recorded my first album at age 5!

Anyway, we traveled full time, had an average of 20 appearances each month. We were also a normal family with 4 kids and two dogs so there were arguments and spats and sickness. Thing is, that all happened behind closed doors.

We KNEW from the time we walked out of the door of our bus, we were ON. That meant smiles and kindness. No one came to see us to watch us be angry or frustrated. Being sick was NOT an option.

To this day, I can push past illnesses and keep working until I literally drop because I learned how as a kid.

These YouTubers are able to not only be ON for only that blip of time, but, they can go back and edit out the burps or kids bursting into a fight or someone puking on someone. You are only seeing them at their best.

It might be good to stay off YouTube for awhile, or to do something like watching adventure videos (for me my junk food is watching videos of octoups and makeup tutorials).

Does your parish give you a subscription to “FORMED.org”? There are many great videos on there, talks, ebooks.
 
I’m sorry but I believe you’re missing the theme of my question. I agree with everything you said regarding being on but it’s not about youtube, those women may or not be genuine that’s not for me to judge. They were examples to the gist of my question.
 
@MarthaSo,

I had also the same impression as Wife.of.Gabriel, that not been here for your babies is one of the things that made you sad and jealous.

I don’t know how much you are attached to this issue, but if it is a tornment for you, it is worth exploring your options.
the fact your teenagers children have not had the same opportunities to have their mother at home should not stop you to do what you feel is right deep in your heart.

If the propositions of wife of gabriel failed, or you cannot/would not leave your job, can you consider a sabbatical leave for some time? Or a reduction or your hours of work for some time? Is it possible without loose the opportunities for college?
It is not a secret to say that maternity leave are too short in the US for the needs of mothers and babies, and that it can create problems for some mothers and babies.
 
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Thank you Anicette. If I cut my hours I lose tuition benefits. Yes ofcourse I’m sad to leave baby but I will because we need my income and benefits. I know God will give me strength.
The question is more about the Protestant vs Catholic thing I mentioned earlier related to culpability, conscience etc…Thank you
 
are you feel guilty of falling pregnant because you abandon contraceptives for NFP?
why?

For the jealousy toward protestants, it may apply to all diffcults subjects: sterility, divorce and remarriage, unplanned pregnancy etc…
two prespectives:
  • do we believe what the Catholic Church is right? if yes, it can be hard, but we can have a peace of mind, we do what is right.
  • Should we stopped telling faithfull the true to protect their innocence when they very often do what is wrong, so they would stay out of sin? some theologians say that. Others think it is hypocritical, and some people can change.
 
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  1. The overpopulation argument is old, has long been disproven, and with current birth rates we are already experiencing the harms of a shrinking population.
  2. The Church will not force you to have more children than you can handle or God wants for you, merely that you comply with the moral practices for the regulation of births.
If having more children would be such a serious matter, there may be sufficient cause to avoid further pregnancy.
 
Thanks Anicette. The answer to your first question about guilt is no. You’re right if I believe what the Church is teaching is true than I should have no problem with it, maybe that’s my issue. I will pray on it more. Thank you
 
You couldn’t use contraceptives (as Ven. Fulton Sheen put it it isn’t fair to call it birth control because those who advocate it believe in neither births nor control) but you could (talk to a priest first thought) have sufficient reason (avoiding dying) to use NFP for the remainder of your fertile years (or whatever appropriate duration) in order to do what is in the best interest of your kids. You likely would still be mortally culpable (though I can’t judge your heart) for the use of contraceptives.
 
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