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cfrancis
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Are you saying Paul is saying only married men can be bishops?
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justasking4
Guest
Each of these topics deserve there own treatment. However, is there complete agreement in the Catholic church on everything?
For example has the Catholic church offically interpreted the creation days in Genesis 1 as being a literal 24 hour day or long ages? Or is Mary the medatrix of all graces?
What is the offical postion of these issues?
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cazayoux
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justasking4
Guest
No. I’m saying that the Catholic church disqualifies a married man from consideration just because he is married. Secondly, Paul does not make the case here where he speaks of church leadership directly for a single man to be a bishop. If single men were to qualiffy this would be the place to find it. However its not even mentioned.
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rbarcia
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Why different orders of priests/nuns etc…? if there is one catholic church. Do they have different doctrines?
- Adorers (Adorers of the Blood of Christ) - A.S.C. (1834)
- Adornos (Clerics Regular Minor) - C.R.M. (1563)
- Adrian Dominican Sisters (1233/1853)
- Albertines (1888)
- Alexians - C.F.A. (1469)
- Angelic Sisters of St. Paul - A.S.S.P. (1535)
- Apostles of the Sacred Heart of Jesus - A.S.C.J. (1894)
- Assumptionists - A.A. (1845)
- Little Sisters of the Assumption (1865)
- Religious of the Assumption (1839)
- Atonement, Society of the (Atonement Friars/Graymoor Friars/Sisters) - S.A. (1909)
- Augustinian Recollects - (Order of the Augustinians Recollects) - O.A.R. (1912)
- Augustinian Sisters, Servants of Jesus and Mary - A.S.J.M. (1827)
- Augustinians (Order of Saint Augustine) - O.S.A. (1256)
- Augustinians of Kansas: Society of Saint Augustine - S.S.A. (1981)
- Baladites (Order of Lebanese Maronite) - O.L.M. (1694)
- Barnabites (Clerics Regular of Saint Paul) - B., C.R.S.P. (1530)
- Benedictines (Rule of St. Benedict) - R.S.B. (529)
- Benedictine Oblates of St Scholastica
- Benedictine Sisters of Perpetual Adoration (1874)
- Bernardine Cistercian Sisters of Esquiermes
- Bernardines (also see Cistercians) (1098)
- Bon Secours Sisters - C.B.S. (1824)
- Brigidine Sisters (1807)
- Bridgettines (Order of Our Savior) - O.Ss.S. (1350)
- Brotherhood of Hope - B.H. (1980)
- Brothers Hospitallers of St. John of God (Order of Hospitallers) - O.H. (1572)
- Brothers of Christian Instruction of St Gabriel - F.S.G. (1711)
- Brothers of Mercy of Our Lady of Perpetual Help - f.m.m. (1839)
- Brothers of the Christian Schools (Lasallian Brothers or Christian Brothers) - F.S.C. (1680)
- Brothers of the Poor of St. Francis of Assisi (Brothers CFP located in the United States, Belgium, The Netherlands, and Brazil, Regular Third Order) (1861)
- Brothers of the Sacred Heart - S.C. (1821)
- Camaldolese (Camaldolese Benedictines) - O.S.B. Cam. (1200s)
- Camaldolese Hermits of the Congregation of Monte Corona - Er.Cam.
- Camillians (Order of Saint Camillus) - O.S.Cam. (~1680)
- Canonesses of St. Augustine - C.R.O.S.A.
- Canons Regular of Saint John Cantius - S.J.C. (2006)
- Canons Regular of the Holy Cross OSC (1311)
- Canons Regular Canons Regular of St. Augustine CRSA (1100)
- Canons Regular of the Immaculate Conception (1871)
- Canons Regular of the New Jerusalem - C.R.N.J. (2002)
- Canons Regular of the Order of the Holy Cross (Crosiers) (1210)
- Canossians (Canossian Daughters and Sons of Charity) - F.D.D.C. (1808)
- Capuchins (Order of Friars Minor Capuchin) - O.F.M. Cap. (1520)
- Capuchin Poor Clares (1538)
- Carmelites (Order of Our Lady of Mt. Carmel) - O.Carm., O.C.D., O.C.D.S. (1209)
- Carmelites of Mary Immaculate - C.M.I. (1831)
- Carmelite Daughters of the Divine Heart of Jesus - D.C.J. (1891)
- Carmelite Sisters for the Aged and Infirm (1929)
- Carmelite Sisters of the Most Sacred Heart of Los Angeles (1904)
- Carthusians - O.Cart. (1084)
- Celestines (defunct) (1244)
- Christian Brothers of Ireland - C.F.C. (1802)
- Cistercians (Cistercians of the Ancient Observance)- O.Cist./S.O.Cist (1098)
- Claretians (Claretian Missionaries) - C.M.F. (1849)
- Claretian Sisters (1876)
- Community of Betania
- Companions of the Cross - C.C. (1988)
- Congregatio Immaculati Cordis Mariae - C.I.C.M. (1862)
- Congregation of the Blessed Sacrament - S.S.S. (1659)
- Congregation of the Disciples of the Lord - C.D.D. (1931)
- Congregation of Divine Providence - C.D.P. (1827)
- Congregation of Holy Cross - C.S.C. (1837)
- Congregation of Maronite Lebanese Missionaries - M.L.[kreimists.org] (1865)
- Congregation of the Mission - C.M. (1624)
- Congregation of the Mother Co-Redemptrix - C.M.C. (1909)
- Congregation of Notre Dame - C.N.D. (1653)
- Congregation of Our Lady of the Missions (1861)
- Congregation of the Sisters of the Resurrection (1891)
- Congregation of the Sacred Hearts of Jesus and Mary - SS.CC. (1800)
- Congregation of St. Basil - C.S.B. (1822)
- Congregation of St. Joseph - C.S.J. (1873)
- Congregation of St. Therese of Lisieux, Cstbrothers, Kerala, India (1931)
- Congregation of the Sisters of Our Lady of Mercy (Divine Mercy Sisters) (1862)
- Conventual Franciscans (Conventuals or Order of Friars Minor Conventual) - O.F.M. Conv. (1209)
- Daughters of Charity - D.C. (1633)
- Daughters of Divine Charity - F.D.C. (1868)
- Daughters of Divine Love (1969)
- Daughters of the Holy Spirit - D.H.S. (1706)
- Daughters of Mary of the Immaculate Conception (1904)
- Daughters of Our Lady of Compassion - D.O.L.C (1892)
- Daughters of St. Francis of Assisi - Lacon, Illinois (1894)
- Daughters of St. Paul - F.S.P. (1915)
- Daughters of Wisdom (1707)
- Dehonians (Priests of the Sacred Heart of Jesus) - S.C.J. (1878)
- Discalced Augustinians - O.A.D. (1592)
- Discalced Carmelites - O.C.D. (1593)
- Disciples of the Lord - C.D.D. (1931)
- Divine Word Missionaries - S.V.D. (1875)
- Dominican Nuns of the Perpetual Rosary (1880)
- Dominicans (Order of Friars Preachers) - O.P. (1216)
- Dominican Sisters of Hawthorne (1900)
- Dominican Sisters of the Immaculate Conception - O.P. (1861)
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rbarcia
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- Dominican Sisters of St. Cecilia - O.P. (1860)
- Dottrinari (Congregazione dei Preti della Dottrina Cristiana) - D.C. (1592)
- Eudists (Congregation of Jesus and Mary) - C.I.M. (1643)
- English Benedictine Congregation - O.S.B. (1216)
- Fathers of Mercy - (Congregatio Presbyterorum a Misericordia) - C.P.M. (1808)
- Felician Sisters (Congregation of the Sisters of St. Felix of Cantalice) - C.S.S.F. (1855)
- Franciscan Apostolic Sisters - F.A.S. (1954)
- Franciscan Brothers of Brooklyn - O.S.F. (1858)
- Franciscan Brothers of the Eucharist - F.B.E. (2004)
- Franciscan Brothers of Peace - F.B.P. (1982)
- Franciscan Friars (Order of Friars Minor) - O.F.M. (1209)
- Franciscan Friars of the Renewal - C.F.R. (1987)
- Franciscan Friars of the Third Order Regular - T.O.R. (1447)
- Franciscan Handmaids of Mary (1915)
- Franciscan Hospitaller Sisters of the Immaculate Conception - F.H.I.C. (1876)
- Franciscan Minims of the Perpetual Help of Mary - f.m. (1942)
- Franciscans of the Immaculate - F.I.
- Franciscan Missionaries of the Divine Motherhood - F.M.D.M. (1887)
- Franciscan Missionaries of the Eternal Word - M.F.V.A. (1987)
- Franciscan Missionaries of Mary - F.M.M. (1877)
- Franciscan Missionary Sisters of the Immaculate Heart of Mary (1859)
- Franciscan Missionary Sisters of the Infant Jesus (1879)
- Franciscan Servants of Jesus (1997)
- Franciscan Sisters of Christian Charity - O.S.F. (1869)
- Franciscan Sisters of the Eucharist - F.S.E. (1973)
- Franciscan Sisters of the Immaculate Conception - F.S.I.C.
- Franciscan Sisters of Mary Immaculate (1893)
- Franciscan Sisters of Penance of the Sorrowful Mother - T.O.R. (1988)
- Franciscan Sisters of Perpetual Adoration - O.S.F. (1849)
- Fransalians (Missionaries of St. Francis de Sales) - M.S.F.S. (1838)
- Good Shepherd Sisters - R.G.S. (1641)
- Grey Nuns - G.N.S.H. (1738)
- Handmaids of the Blessed Sacrament and of Charity - A.A.S.C. (1950)
- Handmaids of the Precious Blood - H.P.B. (1947)
- Handmaids of the Sacred Heart of Jesus - A.A.S.C. (1877)
- Handmaids of the Sacred Heart of Jesus, Mary and Joseph (1978)
- Hermits of Saint Bruno - H.S.B.
- Holy Cross Fathers (Congregation of Holy Cross) - C.S.C. (1837)
- Holy Spirit Adoration Sisters (Pink Sisters) - S.Sp.S.A.P. (1896)
- Hospital Sisters of the Mercy of Jesus (1200s)
- Infant Jesus Sisters (Nicolas Barre) - I.J. (1666)
- Institut du Clergé Patriarcal de Bzommar - I.C.P.B. (1749)
- Institute of Christ the King Sovereign Priest - I.C.R.S.S. (1990)
- Institute of the Incarnate Word - I.V.E. (1984)
- Jesuits (Society of Jesus) - S.J. (1540)
- Josephite Fathers (St. Joseph’s Society of the Sacred Heart) - S.S.J. (1893)
- Legion of Christ - L.C. (founded 1941, approved 1983)
- Little Brothers of the Gospel - (1956)
- Little Brothers of Jesus - (1933)
- Little Brothers of St Francis - (1970) (l.b.s.f)
- Little Flower Congregation (CST Fathers) (1931)
- Little Sisters of the Assumption (1865)
- Little Sisters of the Gospel - (1963)
- Little Sisters of Jesus - (1933)
- Little Sisters of Jesus and Mary (1974)
- Little Sisters of the Poor - L.S.P. (ca. 1700s)
- Lovers of the Holy Cross (1670)
- Loreto Sisters (Institute of the Blessed Virgin Mary) - I.B.V.M. (1609)
- Marian Fathers - M.I.C. (1673)
- Marian Sisters (Marian Sisters of the Diocese of Lincoln) - M.S. (1952)
- Marianists (Society of Mary) - S.M. (1817)
- Marianist Sisters (Daughters of Mary Immaculate) - F.M.I. (1817)
- Marianites of Holy Cross - M.S.C. (1841)
- Marist Brothers - F.M.S. (1817)
- Marists (Society of Mary) - S. M.(1816)
- Maryknoll (Catholic Foreign Mission Society of America) - M.M. (1911)
- Mercedarians (Order of Our Lady of Mercy) - O. de M. (1218)
- Miles Christi - M.C. (1984)
- Mission Helpers of The Sacred Heart - M.H.S.H. (1890)
- Missionaries of Charity - M.C. (1950)
- Missionaries of La Salette - M.S. (1852)
- Missionaries of Mary - (2007)
- Missionaries of St. Charles Borromeo) - C.S. (1887)
- Missionaries of the Gospel of Life (2005)
- Missionaries of the Poor - M.O.P. (1981)
- Missionaries of the Precious Blood (Precious Blood Fathers) - C.PP.S. (1815)
- Missionaries of the Sacred Heart - M.S.C. (1854)
- Missionaries of the Sacred Hearts of Jesus and Mary (1836)
- Missionary Congregation for the Blessed Sacrament
- Missionary Society of St. Columban Columbans - S.S.C. (1916)
- Monastic Fraternities of Jerusalem (1975)
- Montfort Missionaries (Company of Mary) - S.M.M. (1705)
- Norbertines or Premonstratensians (Canons Regular of Prémontré) - C.R.P., O.Praem. (1120)
- Oblate Apostles of the Two Hearts - O.A.T.H. (1995)
- Oblate Sisters of Providence - O.S.P. (1829)
- Oblates Of Mary Immaculate - O.M.I. (1816)
- Oblates of St. Joseph - O.S.J. (1878)
- Oblates Of The Virgin Mary - O.M.V. (1827)
- Olivetans (Order of Our Lady of Mount Olivet) (1313)
- Oratorians (Oratory of St. Philip Neri) - C.O., Cong. Orat. (1500s)
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rbarcia
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- Order of the Imitation of Christ - O.I.C. (1930)
- Order of St. Elisabeth O.S.E. (1622)
- Pallottines (Society of the Catholic Apostolate) - S.A.C. (1835)
- Paris Foreign Missions Society (Missions Etrangères de Paris) - M.E.P. (1658)
- Passionists (Congregation of the Passion) - C.P. (1720)
- Passionist Sisters (1850s)
- Patrician Brothers - F.S.P. (1808)
- Pauline Fathers (Order of Saint Paul the First Hermit) - O.S.P.P.E. (1250)
- Paulist Fathers (Missionary Society of Saint Paul the Apostle) - C.S.P. (1858)
- Piarists (Clerics Regulars Poors of the Mother of God of the Pious Schools) - Sch.P. (1617)
- Pious Disciples of the Divine Master - P.D.D.M. (1924)
- Pontifical Congregation of the Benedictine Sisters of the Reparation of the Holy Face (1950)
- Poor Clares (Nuns of the Order of St. Clare/(Order of Poor Ladies) - O.S.C. (1212)
- Poor Clare Nuns - Joliet, Ill.
- Poor Clares of Santa Barbara - Santa Barbara, Calif.
- Poor Clare Nuns of Perpetual Adoration (1854)
- Sisters of the Presentation of the Blessed Virgin Mary - P.B.V.M. (1775)
- Presentation Brothers - F.P.M. (1802)
- Priestly Fraternity of St. Peter - F.S.S.P. (1988)
- Putra Puteri Carmel
- Racine Dominican Sisters (1862)
- Redemptorists (Congregation of the Most Holy Redeemer) - C.Ss.R. (1732)
- Les Religieuses de Notre-Dame-du-Sacre-Coeur (Dieppe, New Brunswick) ()
- Religious of the Assumption - R.A. (1839)
- Religious of the Sacred Heart of Mary - R.S.H.M. (1849)
- Religious Sisters of Mercy of Alma, Michigan - R.S.M.
- Resurrectionists - C.R. (1836)
- Rogationists of the Heart of Jesus - R.C.J. (1897)
- Rosminians (Institute of Charity) - I.C. (1828)
- Salesians of St. John Bosco - S.D.B. (1857)
- Salesian Sisters (Daughters of Mary Help of Christian) - F.M.A. (1872)
- Salvatorians (Society of the Divine Savior) - S.D.S. (1881)
- Salvatorians (Basilian Salvatorian Order - A Melkite Community) - bso (1724) (Always Lower-Cased)
- School Sisters of Christ the King (1976)
- School Sisters of Notre Dame - S.S.N.D. (1833)
- School Sisters of the Third Order of St Francis (1873)
- Servites (Order of Friars, Servants of Mary) - O.S.M. (1233)
- Sinsinawa Dominican Sisters (1847)
- Sister Adorers of the Precious Blood - R.P.G. (1861)
- Sisters Adorers of the Royal Heart of Jesus Christ Sovereign Priest (2004)
- Sisters of Adoration, Slaves of the Blessed Sacrament and of Charity (1850)
- Sisters of the Apostolic Carmel (1870)
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rbarcia
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- Sisters of the Blessed Sacrament (1891)
- Sisters of the Cenacle - r.c. (1826)
- Sisters of Charity - S.C. (1633)
- Sisters of Charity of Cincinnati (1829)
- Sisters of Charity of Leavenworth (1858)
- Sisters of Charity of New York (1846)
- Sisters of Charity of the Blessed Virgin Mary - B.V.M. (1831)
- Sisters of Charity of the Immaculate Conception (St. John, New Brunswick, Canada) (1854)
- Sisters of Charity of the Incarnate Word (1866)
- Sisters of Charity of Jesus and Mary (1803)
- Sisters of Charity of Our Lady of Mercy (South Carolina) (1829)
- Sisters of Charity of Saint Elizabeth (1859)
- Sisters of Charity Federation in the Vincentian-Setonian Tradition
- Sisters of Charity of Saint Vincent de Paul - Halifax (Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada) (1849)
- Vincentian Sisters of Charity (Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania) (1902)
- Sisters of the Divine Compassion (1886)
- Sisters of Charity of Seton Hill (Pennsylvania) (1870)
- Sisters of the Holy Cross - C.S.C. (1837)
- Sisters of the Holy Family (1837)
- Sisters of the Holy Family of Nazareth (1875)
- Sisters of the Holy Names of Jesus and Mary - S.N.J.M. (1844)
- Sisters of Jesus, Our Hope
- Sisters of Life - S.V. (1991)
- Sisters of Mary, Mother of the Eucharist - O.P. (1997)
- Sisters of Mercy - R.S.M. (1831)
- Sisters of Notre Dame de Namur - S.N.D., S.N.D. de N. (1803)
- Sisters of Our Lady of Mercy (1862)
- Sisters of La Retraite
- Sisters of Saint Agnes (1858)
- Sisters of Saint Elizabeth (1842)
- Sisters of St. Francis of Assisi (1849)
- Sisters of St Francis of the Martyr St George - F.S.G.M. (1869)
- Sisters of St. Francis of Penance and Christian Charity (1835)
- Sisters of Saint Francis of Rochester, Minnesota (1877)
- Sisters of St Joseph (AKA Sisters of Saint Joseph of Medaille) - C.S.J. (1650)
- Sisters of Saint Joseph of Bourg or S.S.J. (1650)
- Sisters of St. Joseph of Chambéry (1812)
- Sisters of St. Joseph of Peace (1884)
- Sisters of St. Joseph of the Sacred Heart - S.S.J. (1866)
- Sisters of St. Joseph of the Third Order of St. Francis (1901)
- Sisters of Saint Martha (Antigonish, Nova Scotia, Canada) (1900)
- Sisters of St Rita (1911)
- Sisters of St Therese of the Child Jesus (St Therese Sisters - Tanzania) - S.S.Th.
- Sisters of the Visitation - Sisters of the Visitation, Toledo, Ohio (1610)
- Sisters, Servants of the Immaculate Heart of Mary – I.H.M. (1845)
- Sisters, Servants of the Lord and the Virgin of Matará - S.S.V.M. (1988)
- Sisters, Servants of the Most Sacred Heart of Jesus (Cresson, PA; Poland; Vatican City) - S.S.C.J. (1894)
- Society of African Missions (Societas Missionum ad Afros) - S.M.A. (1850)
- Society of the Helpers of the Holy Souls (1856)
- Society of the Holy Child Jesus - S.H.C.J. (1846)
- Society of Jesus - S.J.or S.I. (1534)
- Society of Our Lady of the Most Holy Trinity - S.O.L.T. (1958)
- Society of St. Edmund S.S.E. (1843)
- Society of Saint Paul - S.S.P. (1914)
- Society of the Sacred Heart - R.S.C.J. (1800)
- Sovereign Military Hospitaller Order of Saint John of Jerusalem of Rhodes and of Malta (Order of Malta) - S.M.O.M. (1099)
- Spiritans or Holy Ghost Fathers (Congregation of the Holy Ghost) - C.S.Sp. (1703)
- Stigmatines (Congregation of the Sacred Stigmata) - C.S.S. (1816)
- Sulpician Fathers (Society of Saint Sulpice) - S.S., P.S.S. (1642)
- Tertiary Sisters of St. Francis - Cameroon (1700)
- Teutonic Order (1190)
- Theatines (Congregation of Clerics Regular) - C.R. (1524)
- Theatines Nuns (Congregation of Theatines of Immaculate Conception) - T.I.C. (1633)
- Trappists (Order of Cistercians of the Strict Observance) - O.C.R., O.C.S.O. (1662)
- Trinitarians (Order of the Most Holy Trinity) - O.SS.T. (1194)
- Ursulines (Ursuline Nuns of the Roman Union) - O.S.U. (1535)
- Verbum Dei Missionary Fraternity - M.V.D.F. (1963)
- Viatorians (Clerics of Saint Viator) - C.S.V. (1831)
- Heralds of the Gospel (Virgo Flos Carmeli) - E.P. (February 22, 2001)
- Vincentian Congregation (VC) (1904)
- Visitation Nuns - Sisters of the Visitation, Toledo, Ohio (1610)
- (Visitation Nuns - Second Federation of the Visitation Order) (1610)
- Vocationists (The Society of Divine Vocations) - S.D.V. (1927)
- White Fathers - M.Afr. (1868)
- Xaverian Brothers - C.F.X. (1839)
- Xaverian Missionaries (Missionary Society of St. Francis Xavier) - S.X. (1895)
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cfrancis
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You do agree that Paul (and Christ) spoke highly of celibacy, right?
RE: your statement about Paul, single men and the bishopric, you have to prove both that Timothy was married for your and that Paul excluded single men.
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cfrancis
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Are you seriously comparing the different religious orders under the Catholic Church to the different Protestant denominations?
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justasking4
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True.
The Scriptures don’t tell us the status of Paul or Timothy. Many infer that Paul was single. Its not said one way or the other with Timothy. Paul was not a bishop so the requirement of being married would not apply to him.
The issue here is not single men being excluded by the Catholic church (they don’t) but they do exclude married men.
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cazayoux
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So since the scripture doesn’t ‘say’ that it is okay for single men to be a bishop, then it’s wrong?
What about a man whose wife has passed away (and is now single)? Would you say that he is not qualified?
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rbarcia
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My Grammer School was one order. (Order of Nuns)
My High School was another (An order of Brothers)
My College was Jesuits.
They had different views on things like Creation, Sacramental’s, veneration of Mary (My grammer school had a Mary event every month, my high school did not).
Catholics would consider these things not official doctrines. Protestant’s consider them differences in nonessential’s, I see no difference.
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M0nkey
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False. The Church does ordain married men.
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cazayoux
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This cracks me up.
Great list, thanks!
They do NOT have different doctrines.
They possibly have different practices, but not doctrines.
michel
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cazayoux
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Well … hate to say it, but it’s possible that some have not properly conveyed what the CHURCH teaches.
I blame that on the post-Vatican2 bishop in charge of catechesis that had his own agenda. We are still recovering from the damage done since the 1950’s.
… and a scheduled Mary event each month would NOT be considered doctrine.
michel
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elvisman
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"Deserve their own treatment"??
What does that mean? This is nonsense.
Whether or not a day in Genesis was 24 hours or 24 years is not a doctrinal issue. It’s certainly not as heavy as the Eucharist, sola fide or baptismal regeneration, is it?
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**As for Catholics who don’t **adhere to or believe in Catholic doctrines - they’re just Protestants now, aren’t they?
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justasking4
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Can a married Roman Catholic man become a priest or bishop while being married?
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cfrancis
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So celibacy is not a bad or wrong thing, right?
Actually, Paul tells us his status in 1 Cor 7:
7 Yet I wish that all men were even as I myself am However, each man has his own gift from God, one in this manner, and another in that.
8 But I say to the unmarried and to widows that it is good for them if they remain even as I.
And Timothy was a Bishop.
But the verse you produced does not say that a man must be married, or has to be married; neither is there a command that says it is wrong for celibacy to be required of priests.
Actually, all this discussion of a practice of the Church (not a doctrine) is much ado about nothing.
If you are/were married, I’m certain you exchanged rings (a practice) which is neither condoned nor condemned in Scripture.
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guanophore
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It may seem that way to you, because you do not apparently have any esteem for the gift of celibacy, and do not understand the spiritual begetting that priests and nuns do with this gift. Since you do not reverence the purity of the gift, an it’s power, then you obviously think it is “of men”. Clearly Jesus taught about this gift, as did Paul. If Paul thought it was necessary to be married and have a house full of kids to be a leader, I am sure he would have done so himself. The same with Jesus - instead, He said that those to whom this gift is given “should receive it”. Even when Peter said that “we have left everything to follow you”, his marriage was included in that, and Jesus did not correct him for it.
It is true that no amount of gifts from God will prevent sin when the persons who are given the gifts reject them, and choose to join up with evil instead. However, the refusal of the gift does not make the gift invalid, or lacking in great value. If a priest will break his vow of celibacy, then a married priest will break a marriage vow. If you knew anything about pedophilia, you would realize that it has little to do with whether one is married, or celibate.
Also, because the celibate priesthood has the potential for so much spiritual power to flow through, that is naturally the place where satan will focus his attacks. “I will strike the shepherd, and the sheep will be scattered”.
But, why is this a problem for you, ja4? You don’t want to be celibate, and you don’t want to be Catholic, so why concern yourself about it?
If you believe this, then your women must not be allowed to teach, or speak in the church. If they have questions, they need to ask their husbands at home. They must also have long hair (no short hair cuts) and wear veils.
I rather doubt that your faith community does all these things.
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