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benedictus2
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But Tom, you fail to see that they need to pick and choose. Otherwise, if they don’t pick and choose, why, they would be Catholic.
,As for “if you are honest”, hmmmmm.that is the big question.
Protestants: Do you believe that Christ is truly present in the communion elements of bread and wine?
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,As for “if you are honest”, hmmmmm.that is the big question.
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tqualey
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Hi, Protestant101,
Do I sense wounded feelings?
I have every confidence that your ‘cohort theory’ has provided some sort of entry into ‘victim-hood’. I really think it is time to start moving onward and upward toward maturity.
Just look at history - mainline Protestantism did not arrive until the 16th Century and your branch did not arrive until the 19th Century. You just have to ask yourself, “Self, just what was happening to the Church founded by Jesus Christ on Peter as the Rock before the rebellion?”
Just like the Holy Spirit did not deliver a book on Pentecost Sunday but the writing were review and adopted into the Canon during the first 300 years. That means, there was NO bible (as the term is commonly understood) for the first 300 years after the birth of Christ. How do you think the message of Christ existed? The answer is the message of Christ was lovingly kept by the Bride of Christ - His Chruch - the Catholic Church. Traditions of St. Paul and the Apostles were handed down verbally. Here is a quote that may interest you:
**"St. Paul mentions tradition several times in his epistles, reminding both Timothy and the Thessalonians to stand fast to the traditions he taught them. In his Second Letter to Timothy, Paul wrote: “Take as a model of sound teaching what you have heard me say, in faith and love in Christ Jesus. Guard the rich deposit of faith with the help of the Holy Spirit who dwells within us” (1:13-14). Later, in the same letter, he further instructs Timothy, “You then, my son, be strong in the grace that is in Christ Jesus, and what you have heard from me before many witnesses entrust to faithful men who will be able to teach others also” (2:1-2). It seems clear that the apostolic Tradition, the oral teaching of the apostles, was to be preserved and transmitted from generation to generation. St. Paul doesn’t write to Timothy and say, “This is all you need for salvation”; rather, he writes Timothy to entrust to other faithful men, who will be able to instruct others, what he preached, and Timothy heard, before many witnesses.
In the Second Letter to the Thessalonians, St. Paul is just as explicit: “So then, brethren, stand firm and hold to the traditions which you were taught by us, either by word of mouth or by letter” (2:15). Either by word of mouth or letter." ** And, here is the link so you can read it all: scborromeo.org/glad/spaft.htm
You are certainly free to keep on with your cementing activity - but, since you have obviously been having problems with the actual Word of God, maybe don’t call in for another bag of concrete just yet. This does not make you a “miscreant,” or “reprobate” - but, it does not let you off of the hook, either.
Honestly look at history, this is not an issue that requires faith - just that you open your eyes and prepare to get out that cement tub you have put yourself in.
God bless
Do I sense wounded feelings?
I have every confidence that your ‘cohort theory’ has provided some sort of entry into ‘victim-hood’. I really think it is time to start moving onward and upward toward maturity.Protestant101, you are cementing your own current beliefs - and honestly, I think all of this is well past your ankles and is hardening. This is not a good position to be in - mainly because you are essentially saying you have stopped thinking.
Just look at history - mainline Protestantism did not arrive until the 16th Century and your branch did not arrive until the 19th Century. You just have to ask yourself, “Self, just what was happening to the Church founded by Jesus Christ on Peter as the Rock before the rebellion?”
Just like the Holy Spirit did not deliver a book on Pentecost Sunday but the writing were review and adopted into the Canon during the first 300 years. That means, there was NO bible (as the term is commonly understood) for the first 300 years after the birth of Christ. How do you think the message of Christ existed? The answer is the message of Christ was lovingly kept by the Bride of Christ - His Chruch - the Catholic Church. Traditions of St. Paul and the Apostles were handed down verbally. Here is a quote that may interest you:
**"St. Paul mentions tradition several times in his epistles, reminding both Timothy and the Thessalonians to stand fast to the traditions he taught them. In his Second Letter to Timothy, Paul wrote: “Take as a model of sound teaching what you have heard me say, in faith and love in Christ Jesus. Guard the rich deposit of faith with the help of the Holy Spirit who dwells within us” (1:13-14). Later, in the same letter, he further instructs Timothy, “You then, my son, be strong in the grace that is in Christ Jesus, and what you have heard from me before many witnesses entrust to faithful men who will be able to teach others also” (2:1-2). It seems clear that the apostolic Tradition, the oral teaching of the apostles, was to be preserved and transmitted from generation to generation. St. Paul doesn’t write to Timothy and say, “This is all you need for salvation”; rather, he writes Timothy to entrust to other faithful men, who will be able to instruct others, what he preached, and Timothy heard, before many witnesses.
In the Second Letter to the Thessalonians, St. Paul is just as explicit: “So then, brethren, stand firm and hold to the traditions which you were taught by us, either by word of mouth or by letter” (2:15). Either by word of mouth or letter." ** And, here is the link so you can read it all: scborromeo.org/glad/spaft.htm
You are certainly free to keep on with your cementing activity - but, since you have obviously been having problems with the actual Word of God, maybe don’t call in for another bag of concrete just yet. This does not make you a “miscreant,” or “reprobate” - but, it does not let you off of the hook, either.
Honestly look at history, this is not an issue that requires faith - just that you open your eyes and prepare to get out that cement tub you have put yourself in.
God bless
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benedictus2
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Just a thought. Is that the reason why BIBLIOLATRY is so prevalent in Protestantism? Because you think the Bible is Jesus?You listen here! If your a Christain you should know John:1:1 Jesus came not only to save but he was and is the very word of God. The Bible is the inspired word of God look it up Nancy
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tqualey
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Hi, Benedictus2,
Goodness! Do I know where to go for an encouraging word…
God Bless,
Tolm
Goodness! Do I know where to go for an encouraging word…
My prayers for the non-Catholics on the list is that they open their hearts to the Holy Spirit and be transformed into a minister of God’s Love through the Catholic Church. They do this by praying to the Holy Spirit and acknowledging that God speaks to us i the Bible. God equally speaks to Caholics through tradition. These two form the basis of the teachings of the Catholic Church founded on Peter.But Tom, you fail to see that they need to pick and choose. Otherwise, if they don’t pick and choose, why, they would be Catholic.
As for “if you are honest”, hmmmmm.that is the big question.
God Bless,
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nancy_dalrymple
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Everyone that has a brain knows that it is the living Word of God That’s why they call it holy scriptures. Without the Word we would only know good and bad not how to endure to the end and we wouldnt know of salvation,Jesus represents the voice the very Word of God. If Jesus said it I beleive it who do you listen to? Jesus is the Word I would never deny him. The Word is alive and living. This world will pass away but my Word shall not pass away Mathew :24:35, Mark:13:31,Luke:9:26,24:8,John:6:68,1:14,Gal:5:14 Do yourself a favour when you look up the Word in the bible if your bible is the KJV or any other you will see that when they are talking about Jesus it will be a Capital Word and when you see the capital W it refers to Jesus Christ. God Bless Nancy
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Realcatholicgk
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**Hi Ben,
I was wondering
Since they corrupt the bible so much. Knowing that “the Word was made Flesh” and that Jesus said to “Eat his body” and they Believe the Bible is the “word of God” Do you think there might be a group that actually eats pages of the bible in memory of Jesus?:frighten: **
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benedictus2
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EXACTLY. SCRIPTURE! It is indeed the Word of God. But SCRIPTURE is not the Word of God that John 1:1 speaks of. The Word of God in this verse is JESUS CHRIST NOT SCRIPTURE.
Indeed,** anyone who has a brain **knows that Word of God in John 1:1 IS NOT SCRIPTURE.
I suggest you ask around in your protestants circles because I doubt if their theologians will even agree with you.
Will you please state your position here clearly? DO YOU BELIEVE THAT JESUS IS THE BIBLE?
Really? Good! Here is some homework for you of some things Jesus said: John 6.
That is good. So read John 6. Now remember, don’t deny him like the others who walked away did.
And that is all true. I have no quarrel with that. It is your interpretation of the Word in John1:1 that is wrong because you are saying that JESUS IS SCRIPTURE.
BTW, all above quotes are well and good but totally IRRELEVANT.
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benedictus2
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Realcatholicgk, please don’t put those funny images in my head.Hi Ben,
**I was wondering
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nancy_dalrymple
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**Hi Ben,
I was wondering
Well it sure beats eating the flesh of anything like a wild animal,like a wolf in sheeps clothing.If the sheep fits wear it Nancy
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nancy_dalrymple
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No I said it is the LIVING Word of God AS in Christ.Why is that so strange to you? Did you look up those Words of Christ I asked you to look up? Yes Jesus is the Word just what Ive been trying to say to you. Nancy
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NonCatholic
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Please, I get them all the time including from you, but it is irritating sometimes when the same people keep taking Scripture out of context.
However; I will try to be more charitable.
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nancy_dalrymple
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Oh By The Way I Beleive God Is Present In Any Church Service Where They Teach Of Jesus And Live As He Said,said The Sinners Prayer,confessed Their Sins,repented,was Baptised,and Recieve Holy Communion,and Believe.john;3:16 The Lord Loves A Variety.thats Why We Are All Differnt.would You Marry You? God Be With You Nancy
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NonCatholic
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Lets assume for a moment that God is the state of Ohio, then lets say that Columbus, Ohio is the Word of God. Is Columbus part of Ohio?
If the Bible is infallible, inerrant, and wholly inspired by God (God breathed); it displays His attributes; it is one way God has revealed Himself to mankind; therefore it is part of God. It is the very voice of God. It would be better to phase it as Scripture is part of Jesus.
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Peter_J
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No, only Christians. (Non-Christians have brains too, even if they don’t use them the right way.
)P.S. Oh, and a belated ‘Welcome to the forum’.
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Realcatholicgk
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Hi nancy,
I love people with a sense of humor. 
I have found that it people don’t have a sense of humor they normally don’t have any sense at all. But seriously, Jesus commanded that His flesh be eaten for eternal life. It is really important that people who claim to love Him, do all they can to break away from Satan. You really can’t consider yourself a follower of Christ if you don’t follow Him can you? Even if you believe you do, unless you are in communication with the Catholic church you are only deceiving yourself. Today there are 33,000 counterfeit denominations, and non-denominations with 28,000 sub denominations, and various associations, conferences, conventions, fellowships, groups, sect, cults, unions, and pot lucks. These 61,000 groups have over 1,375 doctrines and dogmas they attempt to follow in some fashion. Some groups follow 12, 15, 21 “truths”. The really strange thing is that they all “partially” agree with the CC and all "partially " disagree with the CC. They all think only they are the real church even though none of them are older than 500 years old. Jesus even cautioned about false groups and teachers in the scriptures that Protestants pretend to believe and follow. If that was actually the case ~ they would all be “Catholics”Ask yourself, who is right? The one holy catholic and apolostic church, founded by Jesus that has taught only the truth for 2,000 years refusing to compromise the truth even when it cost the souls of many believers 500 years ago when It remained faithful to Jesus teachings while Satan stole the souls of the protesters of Jesus church, or the 61,000 counterfeit groups which like a cancer on the body of Christ are constantly dividing and multiplying?
Nancy, you can copy money but if it doesn’t have the backing of the authorized issurer it is counterfeit. It can’t be spent to buy anything! It is worthless!
Sure, you can copy Christianity, but if it doesn’t have the backing of the Holy Catholic Church it is counterfeit. It can’t be used to obtain salvation! It is worthless!
Jesus said what was needed for salvation. Only the Catholic Church offers the real communion, The Eucharist! In it, Jesus is present both Physically and Spiritually. He is “Completely” present just like He said He would ne. he nourishes our souls with Hios Body and Blood. He abide in Us and us in Him.
Your Lord and God is physically here to be worshiped and eaten just as He commanded must to obtain eternal salvation. Only true believers understand that because the devil keeps his followers blinded to the truth! Satan, has a sense of humor also. Why else would he have protestants drink grape juice pretending it means something? I am surprised he doesn’t institute Oreos as the host!
Hmmm, In fact with the 61,000 there is a possibility that he actually did! God would not want us to stay faithful to a Church that was invented by men. That would be worshiping a false god! Read Matt 16: 18 and read the truth from Jesus own mouth! He doesn’t lie! People can pretend that they became his church 500 years ago but he knows his sheep!
All false believers remain in my prayers. May Jesus provide the light needed to see the truth before it is too late.
God Bless **
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Peter_J
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I was about to respond to this statement, then I realized that I had read it wrong. At first I thought you’d said “it is the only way God has revealed Himself to mankind”.
I guess it’s getting to late for me tonight. I’ll post some more in the morning.
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benedictus2
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That will have to be the most non-sensical post I have ever read.
What does that have to do with what you replied to?
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joe370
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You are not separating the carnal from the spiritual, the mortal from the immortal.
I’m not sure what you are talking about!
Our fathers ate the manna in the wilderness; as it is written, ‘He gave them bread from heaven to eat…but my Father gives you the true bread from heaven.For the bread of God is he who comes down from heaven and gives life to the world.” They said to him, “Sir, give us this bread always.” Jesus said to them, “I am the bread of life; whoever comes to me shall not hunger, and whoever believes in me shall never thirst…So the Jews grumbled about him, because he said, “I am the bread that came down from heaven…Your fathers ate the manna in the wilderness, and they died. This is the bread that comes down from heaven, so that one may eat of it and not die. I am the living bread that came down from heaven. If anyone eats of this bread, he will live forever. And the bread that I will give for the life of the world is my flesh.” The Jews then disputed among themselves, saying, “How can this man give us his flesh to eat?” So Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you. Whoever feeds on my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up on the last day. For my flesh is true food, and my blood is true drink. Whoever feeds on my flesh and drinks my blood abides in me, and I in him. As the living Father sent me, and I live because of the Father, so whoever feeds on me, he also will live because of me. This is the bread that came down from heaven, not like the bread the fathers ate and died. Whoever feeds on this bread will live forever.” Jesus said these things in the synagogue, as he taught at Capernaum.
Everyone overlooks two things. 1) the term “eat”, euphemism, in the Jewish mind would be an intense understanding of something, to be immersed into it to the point where eating and drinking it day and night. Like we are told to do in learning the Bible, which most people do not. 2) What is the way to salvation? a heart of repentance, believing on the Lord by faith through Christ. If you look at John 6 the terms of believe, coming to , behold are used, then Jesus already knows who will and won’t believe and so he makes the statement even harder for them to believe…kind of like let’s get rid of all these unbelievers right now so I’ll put it another way that they could never handle. The remainder understood and believed and if for no other reason, Jesus tells us the manner in which He spoke…in spirit and truth.
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benedictus2
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And I have no issue with that at all. But early on in your post you EQUATED the WORD OF GOD IN JOHN 1:1 WITH THE BIBLE, THE WRITTEN WORD OF GOD.No I said it is the LIVING Word of God AS in Christ.Why is that so strange to you? Did you look up those Words of Christ I asked you to look up? Yes Jesus is the Word just what Ive been trying to say to you. Nancy
And you never corrected this in your succeeding posts.
Yes, indeed Jesus is the Word. But Jesus is not the Bible which is what you made Him out to be.
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nancy_dalrymple
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Hi nancy,
Ask yourself, who is right? The one holy catholic and apolostic church, founded by Jesus that has taught only the truth for 2,000 years refusing to compromise the truth even when it cost the souls of many believers 500 years ago when It remained faithful to Jesus teachings while Satan stole the souls of the protesters of Jesus church, or the 61,000 counterfeit groups which like a cancer on the body of Christ are constantly dividing and multiplying?
Nancy, you can copy money but if it doesn’t have the backing of the authorized issurer it is counterfeit. It can’t be spent to buy anything! It is worthless!
Sure, you can copy Christianity, but if it doesn’t have the backing of the Holy Catholic Church it is counterfeit. It can’t be used to obtain salvation! It is worthless!
Jesus said what was needed for salvation. Only the Catholic Church offers the real communion, The Eucharist! In it, Jesus is present both Physically and Spiritually. He is “Completely” present just like He said He would ne. he nourishes our souls with Hios Body and Blood. He abide in Us and us in Him.
Your Lord and God is physically here to be worshiped and eaten just as He commanded must to obtain eternal salvation. Only true believers understand that because the devil keeps his followers blinded to the truth! Satan, has a sense of humor also. Why else would he have protestants drink grape juice pretending it means something? I am surprised he doesn’t institute Oreos as the host!
God would not want us to stay faithful to a Church that was invented by men. That would be worshiping a false god! Read Matt 16: 18 and read the truth from Jesus own mouth! He doesn’t lie! People can pretend that they became his church 500 years ago but he knows his sheep!
All false believers remain in my prayers. May Jesus provide the light needed to see the truth before it is too late.
God Bless**
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