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CMatt25
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I’m not making an argument. I’m just asking. Luther wasn’t ordained?
Protestants, How could an Infallible book be of use to you, w/o an Infallible Interpreter?
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Prodigal_Son1
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Let’s remove the personal statements. All Christians are brothers and sisters in Christ. All Protestant faiths received the parts they believe from the Catholic Church. None of us can say who will be made worthy of the promises of Christ, only He can do that.
Through our faiths in Him, we are the body of Christ and to me that means seeking a reunification and not affirming a separation, or even widening a ‘gap’.
Through our faiths in Him, we are the body of Christ and to me that means seeking a reunification and not affirming a separation, or even widening a ‘gap’.
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Prodigal_Son1
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Martin Luther was an ordained priest.
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larkin31
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I just want it made clear that you are answering for others.
Sounds more like the statement of a priest rather than, say, a married parent presently out of work with hungry children.
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polgas733
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Reminds me of Jesus’s prayer
“Father I pray that they may all be one”
“Father I pray that they may all be one”
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michaeldaniels
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of course he was…but he certainly wasn’t a Bishop and in order for the line of succession to remain in tact, it requires Bishops to consecrate future Bishops…
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AmateurPianist
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Oh I would say under the same conditions oh my computer manuals are useful to me. I know of nobody that claims to be an infallible interpreter of my computer manuals. And these documents don’t even claim to be infallible. If they were infallible, that would be even a little more useful to me.
But even as they are written, they are reliable. If defects are found in the manuals there are procedures we follow to get them fixed.
Now I do have problems understanding them at times. And sometimes I get it wrong. But if that happens the problem is usually on my end (although once I did find a problem with my manuals). If my manuals were infallible, I would always know that the problems in understanding are on my end.
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Prodigal_Son1
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Christ prayed for us to be one.
**Joh 17:17 Sanctify them in the truth; thy word is truth.
Joh 17:18 As thou didst send me into the world, so I have sent them into the world.
Joh 17:19 And for their sake I consecrate myself, that they also may be consecrated in truth.
Joh 17:20 "I do not pray for these only, but also for those who believe in me through their word,
Joh 17:21 that they may all be one; even as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be in us, so that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.
Joh 17:22 The glory which thou hast given me I have given to them, that they may be one even as we are one,
Joh 17:23 I in them and thou in me, that they may become perfectly one, so that the world may know that thou hast sent me and hast loved them even as thou hast loved me. **
The inspired word of God taught us to be one.
**Rom 16:17 I appeal to you, brethren, to take note of those who create dissensions and difficulties, in opposition to the doctrine which you have been taught; avoid them.
1Co 1:10 I appeal to you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that all of you agree and that there be no dissensions among you, but that you be united in the same mind and the same judgment.
Php 2:2 complete my joy by being of the same mind, having the same love, being in full accord and of one mind.
Rom 15:5 May the God of steadfastness and encouragement grant you to live in such harmony with one another, in accord with Christ Jesus,
Rom 15:6 that together you may with one voice glorify the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ.**
We should be working towards that goal as men. As it seems you might agree that even two is too many, there are no scriptures that tell us how to be one other than the examples of the Church that are given.
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michaeldaniels
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When I said I follow them all, I meant it…there was no ambiguous words in my statement…all means all…I am not Obama or Clinton, who says one thing, but really means another
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Syele
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Not PC but in Love. Speak the truth in love.
If you mean antinominism, very few actually believe that.
IF you mean Perseverance of the Saints, as in Calvinism, then it is not God serving Man at all, it is man having no free will in the first place.
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Prodigal_Son1
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The difference between the Bible and your manuals is, the Bible tells us where the pillar and ground of truth is. Do your manuals give an address to where you can go to fully understand them? Would God have done less than a computer company?
The founders of the USA, wrote a constitution. They did not mail it out to every household and say, interpret this for yourself. They established a legislative body to interpret the document for us. Would God have done any less than men?
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Syele
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Why do you repeat yourself so much? I never once said disunity is good. You are trying to convince me of what? That division is bad? I never disagreed to start with.
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Prodigal_Son1
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Joh 13:35 By this shall all men know that you are my disciples, if you have love one for another.
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Prodigal_Son1
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I read them everytime I post them, and i added the one where Christ prayed for us to be one.
See, I used to be a Protestant and there were many things I didn’t understand about the Bible. As a Catholic, it’s come to life for me and I understand much, much more. Please don’t take that to mean I know it all, I don’t and, I’m learning more and more all the time. I doubt anyone can know all of God’s truth in one lifetime.
Also, it seems when I use scriptures, no one responds and it makes me wonder if they’re reading them. No one is offering another explanation of an interpretation when I post them.
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larkin31
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So, you believe that the Jubilee should be enacted in communities and followed word for word? Have you done this yourself personally?
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AmateurPianist
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The original post claims that an infallible book is useless without an infallible interpreter.
I have illustrated that in real life this claim is hogwash.
If I were God, I might do things a lot differently than He does. I would get rid of cancer for starters.
Fortunately that is not the case.
Yeah it would be nice if there was one source I knew was 100% reliable in its teaching. The downside though would be that I probably would not study the Bible for myself, I would just piggyback from this source.
Anyway, the point being that the issue is never “What do we thing God should do”.or “What does it make sense (by our reasoning) for God to do” The issue is only “What has God actually done and what has He actually spoken.”
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Syele
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Well there is nothing to say about them if I agree with you and your use of them.I read them everytime I post them, and i added the one where Christ prayed for us to be one.
See, I used to be a Protestant and there were many things I didn’t understand about the Bible. As a Catholic, it’s come to life for me and I understand much, much more. Please don’t take that to mean I know it all, I don’t and, I’m learning more and more all the time. I doubt anyone can know all of God’s truth in one lifetime.
Also, it seems when I use scriptures, no one responds and it makes me wonder if they’re reading them. No one is offering another explanation of an interpretation when I post them.
If I read it and though “Where did he get THAT from that scripture??”, you can bet I’d be saying something.What it comes down to though is that I don’t know of any protestants that LIKE disunity, or that think that Scripture tells us to go out and do whatever we want. Really think back to when you were protestant, did people really tell you they thought those things? It jsut seems such a weird premise for debate to me, to assume that if you could only convince us that disunity is bad…
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CMatt25
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I’m not certain but I think he may have meant things like using “asinine” as you did in a post to me. We need good, loving priests and I know how priests can drive away others from the Church by their tone or manner or judgment. All the best in your discernment of the priesthood. God bless you.
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Prodigal_Son1
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Please use scriptures to show us that we are to read scriptures and interpret them for ourselves, with the guidance of the Holy Spirit. Then provide the scriptures where we can know without a doubt which is correct and which is wrong if there are differing interpretations.
He said He would not leave His Church as orphans. That means we have a way for the Father to give us truth.
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Prodigal_Son1
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Ok, then this is why I became Catholic. I attended the ‘mall’ of denominations and it was quite evident they did not agree on teachings. I only wanted to serve God as He wanted me to serve. So, I researched, read scriptures, prayed and reflected. The Holy Spirit led me to the Catholic Church. I was not evangelized by any Catholics.Well there is nothing to say about them if I agree with you and your use of them.
What it comes down to though is that I don’t know of any protestants that LIKE disunity, or that think that Scripture tells us to go out and do whatever we want. Really think back to when you were protestant, did people really tell you they thought those things? It jsut seems such a weird premise for debate to me, to assume that if you could only convince us that disunity is bad…
Here I discovered that the Church was always meant to be one and we were to be of the same mind and judgment; of the same accord.
I still worship with my Protestant brothers and sisters (literally and figuratively, I have family that are still Protestants), after fulfilling my weekly obligations with my own Church.
Unity is not a weird premise. It is scriptural, as far as I can see. Many letters were written to many Churches, but all with the same teachings. No one can show me that division was taught or accepted in scriptures.
Now, show me where scriptures shows an acceptance of disunity. If it’s not there, it’s not scriptural. If it’s not scriptural, it’s not good…
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