Protestants, How could an Infallible book be of use to you, w/o an Infallible Interpreter?

[Prodigal_Son1]

Thank you. So where is the mention of The Catholic Church? About anything? For anything? Concerning anything?

Where does this say the The Catholic Church - solely and exclusively - is the INFALLIBLE and UNACCOUNTABLE interpreter of Scripture?

**Acts 9:31

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Catholic is an adjective derived from the Greek adjective καθολικός (katholikos), meaning “universal”.**

St. Ignatius, student of St. John, wrote the following around 107 to 110AD, about the same time John wrote ‘Revelations’. Notice he is not introducing the term Catholic Church, he is using it as it was already in existence.

**Chapter VIII.-Let Nothing Be Done Without the Bishop.

See that ye all follow the bishop, even as Jesus Christ does the Father, and the presbytery as ye would the apostles; and reverence the deacons, as being the institution(55) of God. Let no man do anything connected with the Church without the bishop. Let that be deemed a proper(56) Eucharist, which is [administered] either by the bishop, or by one to whom he has entrusted it. Wherever the bishop shall appear, there let the multitude [of the people] also be; even as, wherever Jesus Christ is, there is the Catholic Church**. It is not lawful without the bishop either to baptize or to celebrate a love-feast; but whatsoever he shall approve of, that is also pleasing to God, so that everything that is done may be secure and valid.(57)

Now, I’ve tried to respond to your points, please do the same for me.

Where is the word ‘Trinity’ in the Bible? Where does the Bible tell us it is the ONLY authority?

Where is the word ‘Lutheran’ in the Bible?

 

[CMatt25]

When the Protestant reformation took place, they took copies of the Bible with them, but they didn’t take the interpretations. They began interpreting for themselves.

Prodigal, but how do we know for certain they weren’t men of God whom He was using at that moment to reform His Church so the gates did not prevail in the end?

And you interpret Acts17:10-11 to not mean searrching all of eventual Scripture but only the OT, correct?

 

[polgas733]

polgas, I read it myself from the encyclopaedia not just a biased article about the encyclopaedia. Barrett says things about Catholics that would upset you if you are a good Catholic, so please do not expect me to claim it is a good source for Protestant info too. and many of the “denominations” on their list of 5,000+ denominations are all the same one and others are not even real denominations.

Calling it “interpretations” instead of “denominations” does not make that research study more true for your purposes.

just to show you i am not bias when it comes to facts

 

[michaeldaniels]

Its not LOL…because as our friend might not realize Lutheran is named after a mere man…a heretic…who decided to start his own Church…which is a heretical Church unfortunately…and in doing so turned his back on The Church, which is the Church that Christ founded.

Where is the word ‘Lutheran’ in the Bible?

 

[Syele]

just to show you i am not bias when it comes to facts

how?

 

[larkin31]

To me they just promote lust and fornication

this is what I meant as “neurotic” and misguided

sex is not an evil, folks

 

[BrianH]

Its not LOL…because as our friend might not realize Lutheran is named after a mere man…a heretic…who decided to start his own Church…which is a heretical Church unfortunately…and in doing so turned his back on The Church, which is the Church that Christ founded.

Man this guys attitude stinks.

 

[michaeldaniels]

And as a purported Catholic, how could you even begin to make that argument…why would God choose to have non-validly ordained people lead his Church…non-validly ordained people results in No Eucharist, No Confession, etc…which are all accepted parts of the Catholic Faith that existed since the Church’s inception…so why would he deny His Sacraments to His faithful as a means to keep the gates of hell from prevailing?

Prodigal, but how do we know for certain they weren’t men of God whom He was using at that moment to reform His Church so the gates did not prevail in the end?

And you interpret Acts17:10-11 to not mean searrching all of eventual Scripture but only the OT, correct?

 

[Syele]

Its not LOL…because as our friend might not realize Lutheran is named after a mere man…a heretic…who decided to start his own Church…which is a heretical Church unfortunately…and in doing so turned his back on The Church, which is the Church that Christ founded.

I’m not Lutheran, but last I checked Luther did not leave on his own and start a new church on purpose as you imply.

 

[michaeldaniels]

How can I have a bad attitude when it is the Truth? The truth hurts sometimes…sorry, but St. Thomas More spoke to and about protestants the same way…and as a former protestant and a person who’s entire family is protestant, I can say those things…not to mention they are truthful. Please tell me one lie I have said and I will resign my membership on CAF…if you can’t, then don’t get mad at me when you can’t handle the truth

Man this guys attitude stinks.

 

[michaeldaniels]

No that wasn’t his original intention…or so is said…and if my words implied he started Lutheranism purposely, I am sorry, because history claims he didn’t…but after the rupture, he never attempted to reconcile with The Church…he just went on about his daily life spreading heresy and in the end, before dying, regretted what he had done

I’m not Lutheran, but last I checked Luther did not leave on his own and start a new church on purpose as you imply.

 

[larkin31]

How is “What God has joined, let no man put asunder” silly…

as I said, you are over-reading literally a statement of religious hyperbole meant to reinforce monogamy and commitment (these are good, non-neurotic values).

There is no adultery in second marriages. It can be a very healthy, very beneficial practice for ALL parties affected.

 

[Prodigal_Son1]

Prodigal, but how do we know for certain they weren’t men of God whom He was using at that moment to reform His Church so the gates did not prevail in the end?

And you interpret Acts17:10-11 to not mean searrching all of eventual Scripture but only the OT, correct?

Reform is change. Change cannot happen outside of what Christ began, or built. The Church did reform. I don’t find fault with Martin Luther for recognizing a reformation was needed, but he could not reform what he was not a part of anymore. Another thing, as I agree with Martin Luther on this point, it was later on that more objections were raised, as man began attempting to interpret scriptures outside the ‘Traditions of the Church’. In the beginning, it was the ‘selling of indulgences’ that Martin Luther found fault with. You don’t throw the baby out with the bath water.

Then I had to ask myself, could man build an improvement of what Christ built? We have to have faith in Christ’s ability to do what He said, which was He would be with His Church until the consummation of the world.

Yes, Acts 17 was specifically addressing Old Testament scriptures at the time, but the example was laid out and we now accept the New Testament as scriptures. Scriptures are scriptures, once they are accepted as such.

2Pe 3:16 As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are certain things hard to be understood, which the unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, to their own destruction.

 

[michaeldaniels]

maybe beneficial for them on this earthly life…but detrimental to their souls and their salvation…if they want to risk eternal damnation over earthly desires…that is on them…I personally choose to live a life that will get me to Heaven…God willing

as I said, you are over-reading literally a statement of religious hyperbole meant to reinforce monogamy and commitment (these are good, non-neurotic values).

There is no adultery in second marriages. It can be a very healthy, very beneficial practice for ALL parties affected.

 

[larkin31]

How can I have a bad attitude when it is the Truth? The truth hurts sometimes…sorry, but St. Thomas More spoke to and about protestants the same way…and as a former protestant and a person who’s entire family is protestant, I can say those things…not to mention they are truthful. Please tell me one lie I have said and I will resign my membership on CAF…if you can’t, then don’t get mad at me when you can’t handle the truth

The blusterers often reply, “It’s the truth, so I can say it however I choose.” I don’t teach my children that. Do you?

 

[Syele]

No that wasn’t his original intention…or so is said…and if my words implied he started Lutheranism purposely, I am sorry, because history claims he didn’t…but after the rupture, he never attempted to reconcile with The Church…he just went on about his daily life spreading heresy and in the end, before dying, regretted what he had done

Thank you for clarifying

 

[Prodigal_Son1]

The blusterers often reply, “It’s the truth, so I can say it however I choose.” I don’t teach my children that. Do you?

Should we all become agnostics, and then attempt to preach the Gospel?

 

[larkin31]

maybe beneficial for them on this earthly life…but detrimental to their souls and their salvation…if they want to risk eternal damnation over earthly desires…that is on them…I personally choose to live a life that will get me to Heaven…God willing

That a God or a religion would set itself up contrary to a salubrious or at least benign practice (overall) that affords an opportunity at a more rewarding, fulfilling, and love-involved partnership is, well, just silly.

And that is why I used the term.

I wonder if you follow all the other purity laws, as well. They are spelled out pretty clearly.

 

[michaeldaniels]

Sorry…I don’t do PC…and the truth should not be denigrated by telling it in a PC manner…it is what it is…and the truth remains that Luther, Henry VIII, Calvin, and all the likes of them are heretics preaching a limited Christian faith that only contains partial elements of the Truth and who’s churches do not have all the Sacraments…most importantly, The Eucharist.

If any of that is a lie, then God strike me dead right now…how is the politically correct way to say it?

The blusterers often reply, “It’s the truth, so I can say it however I choose.” I don’t teach my children that. Do you?

 

[Syele]

Should we all become agnostics, and then attempt to preach the Gospel?

So those are the options? State the truth as rudely as possible, occasionally using dubious source material or else preach while being agnostic? I think there are happy mediums.