Good morning everyone!
I understand your first paragraph completely, except, how do you know what you speak isn’t arrogance or wrong? And I’m honestly so lost. What does the Tiber have to do with anything? reading the bible, looking it up
Now, I don’t think anyone who is non Catholic looks at themselves as the Pope. Christ commissioned us all (those who believe) as disciples and we are to make more. Throughout history, the Pope did many things that wasn’t Christlike because he was just man. The only thing that was called infallible in the Bible was the works of Jesus. Like I said earlier, I don’t put one over the other but to call someone arrogant for standing firm the same way you are (well, minus scripture) is a contradicting statement.
And the gifts aren’t given by the church. Romans 12/1Cor. 12 & 14 clearly states that these gifts are given from God through the spirit. While each gift differs, it is the same spirit. And again, I ask, how are we going against what Christ has sent. Christ sent his disciples to spread the Word and whoever believes can do the same thing. Jesus didn’t pray for the believer for nothing (John 17). And what I can TRUTH is the Word of God. Not a church, not traditions but the Word of God which was made flesh.
Very easy, it is learned from those whom Christ sent to continue His mission. I believe that was plainly evident to anyone who seeks to understand.
The “Tevere” (Tiber) river is near the Vatican. It’s common to say that one swam the Tiber when they came from non-Catholicism to Catholicism.
You are possible naive or just unlearned about what Martin Luther taught, and what others have literally said here. Namely, when you believe in Sola Scriptura and that you alone possess right of private interpretation of Scriptures, then you are usurping the role given to Christ’s Prime Minister, the Pope. This is simply reality, independent of whether you believe it or not, as your beliefs are unfortunately out of touch with reality in many cases.
See, once again, you are interpreting the Catholic Book, the Bible as you see fit, and not as the Apostles learned from Christ, therefore you’re in opposition to those who wrote the Scriptures. The teachings were and are handed down to their successors with the protection of the Holy Spirit. The Bible was written by Catholics, in the context of Catholicism, for Catholics. It really does not make good sense outside of the context of Catholicism, and can and certainly is frequently misinterpreted, just as you do.
You have absolutely no authority whatsoever to be a final interpreter of the Catholic Book. Christ left His mission with the Apostles, including the Chief Apostle with special authority symbolized by the keys which he alone received. The authority was handed on to their successors who are today the Bishops in the Catholic Church, and the head Bishop, the Pope who today holds the keys as Christ the King’s Prime Minister. The Bible is not some catechism that describes the Church end to end, but is a book that only really fits into the context of Christ’s one Holy Catholic Church. That you take it out of context, trample on the meanings, and treat is as something it is not, will never lead you to the Truth.
Yes, we can spread the word of God. But, what good do we really do when we spread our own version of the meanings of Scripture and fight against Christ’s Church as you do?
In your arrogance, you miss many things. Among them are the following, what it means that the Church is the Body of Christ, His Bride.
Please answer truthfully, at least to yourself…
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Did God build a living Church for us, or simply give us a Book to read and figure it all out for ourselves?
What is the pillar and bulwark of the truth, is it the Church or a Book? **
If the Kingdom on Earth is like a Pearl of Great Value, it is safe to say that God would put someone in charge of watching over it while He was away? Why would you limit God’s protection of one who is watching over His earthly Kingdom? Can God not do this?
If the answer to the first two are Church, then you’ve got a serious problem with your beliefs (and the answer to both is Church, and so explained here, you do have a serious problem). Your errant proposals and falsehoods have been exposed plainly by our Book, which you have tried to distort.
If you wat to know the truths of the Bible, you need to follow the author of this Book, and learn it from those whom God sent, and in the only context in which it makes sense. Otherwise, you’ll continue to arrogantly and pridefully tell the author that they don’t know what they’re talking about. We’ll continue to do Spiritual Works of Mercy, and acquaint you with reality of which you are currently devoid. For your own sake, please heed these words. The Catholic Church official teachings have never once led people astray. Your proposals on the other hand, sadly are rooted in pride and arrogance against the truth. Come over to the truth, which will be waiting for you to find, if you truly and honestly seek.
May God bless you in your efforts, and you truly find His Church which He made for all of those who believe in Him.
Let’s see:1) I believe that Jesus Christ(my Lord and Saviour) is the only begotten Son of God the Father. 2) He died on the Cross for my sins, but is no longer there; so take Him off of crucifixes3)Baptism is a necessary component of salvation, but not the basis for or the source. Baptism is an act of obedience, which I believe seals, or solidifies your salvation.4) Christ is coming back again, and we cannot be our own Gods,and Jesus and Michael are not one and the same.5) I believe in the Trinity, even though it is not mentioned in the Bible6) I believe that God speaks to all of us through prayer, and we can confess our sins directly to Him! So, it appears that the Holy Spirit speaks to all of us differently:thumbsup:
I do not have the authority, nor do I have the audacity to challenge another believers salvation. Perhaps you were feeling a bit defensive; when the truth may be that you don’t believe us non-catholics are “true” Christians
Sometimes, it seems like the catholics are inside the walled city, and have a big sign on the wall, which proclaims:catholics only, all others must follow the church’s teachings to enter! I know you’re going to say, “you are so ignorant and arrogant, but then again, you are not a catholic(thank goodness).”I still believe that Matthew 28:19-20, applies to ALL christians; we should make disciples and baptize them in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit(Ghost). That’s how I was baptized
Smiles everyone smiles! Was talking to a woman a few months ago, and she told me that she was a former catholic. I asked her why she would leave the perfect church? She laughed and said,“It’s far from perfect, and besides, I found the Truth!”
