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Hisalone said:
Prodical lives on this forum and will attack but will file a formal complaint if you attack back, be carefull. 90% of his scripture citings are out of context. Yet he will claim his is basing on scripture, he will continue to ask you questions but never address any of yours.
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So perhaps you can comment on this statement:

“Which non-Catholic should I believe?”

*what would happen if we have Howie, and Prot101 , … and now we invite moondweller and Hisalone and actually anyone who has a question or problem with the authority of the Catholic Church… and we picture them

[1] being in the same room as Calvin, Luther, Zwingli, White, MacArthur, Olson, etc while this group discusses ^Infant Baptism ^Divorce/ReMarriage ^Justification ^OSAS ^the Solas ^Atonement ^Real Presence ^End Times etc…

then
[2] be in the same room as Peter, Paul, Augustine, Aquinas, a few Early Fathers (pick any) a few dozen popes (pick any), a few dozen saints (pick any), and a handful of Church Doctors (33 - pick any)… while they discuss the same topics.

what a hoot…
1st room… chaos… and probably the start of a few more denominations.

2nd room… consistent teaching*

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I find it absolutely amazing how many claim that the search for truth lead them away from the Catholic Church. I can almost guarantee you that they were lead by a spirit - but the Holy Spirit always unites. It is the demon who divides. The greatest accomplishment of the evil one was to convince souls that he and his servants do not exist.

The Holy Spirit unites.
The demon divides.
 
CWBetts said:
They are not persecuted to the degree as the Catholic Church. In fact, anti-Catholicism is the last acceptible prejudice. Don’t you find it interesting that out of 45 Presidents, there have only been 3 candidates that were Catholic. In the case of Al Smith (against FDR) he was accused of intending to turn over soveriegnty to the Vatican! Don’t you find it odd that no one seems to bring it up when non-Catholic clergy violate the trust of their position? It becomes the scandal that won’t go away with Catholics! DOn’t you find it interesting that Catholicism is usually portrayed as corrupt in the entertainment media, but non-Catholics don’t face the same inherent bias. Satan is working hard against the Church, but not so much the non-denominational “mega-churches” Why? He doenn’t need to worry about them. ANd to make it worse, so called"Christians" spend a great deal of time and energy attacking the Church. HAve you seen how many non Catholics come on these forums to attack Catholicism. Take a trip to YouTube, and you will see a plethora of videos with one purpose: to attack the Catholic Church. Do not presume to tell me that non-denominationals are persecuted. You don’t know the meaning of the word.
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We are in the midst of a cultural war. The spirit of this age is fighting agianst bible based Christianity becasue you are blind to it does not mean that it doesnt exist.
 
po18guy said:
I find it absolutely amazing how many claim that the search for truth lead them away from the Catholic Church. I can almost guarantee you that they were lead by a spirit - but the Holy Spirit always unites. It is the demon who divides. The greatest accomplishment of the evil one was to convince souls that he and his servants do not exist.

The Holy Spirit unites.
The demon divides.
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The first claim is that no one searching for the truth is lead away from the Catholic Church then you claim that if you were lead away from the Catholic Church it was Satan that did it----hogwash.
 
MrS said:
So perhaps you can comment on this statement:

“Which non-Catholic should I believe?”

what would happen if we have Howie, and Prot101 , … and now we invite moondweller and Hisalone and actually anyone who has a question or problem with the authority of the Catholic Church… and we picture them

[1] being in the same room as Calvin, Luther, Zwingli, White, MacArthur, Olson, etc while this group discusses ^Infant Baptism ^Divorce/ReMarriage ^Justification ^OSAS ^the Solas ^Atonement ^Real Presence ^End Times etc…

then
[2] be in the same room as Peter, Paul, Augustine, Aquinas, a few Early Fathers (pick any) a few dozen popes (pick any), a few dozen saints (pick any), and a handful of Church Doctors (33 - pick any)… while they discuss the same topics.

what a hoot…
1st room… chaos… and probably the start of a few more denominations.

2nd room… consistent teaching

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To get back on topic show me where Peter and Paul “venerated” Mary!!!
 
Hisalone said:
To get back on topic show me where Peter and Paul “venerated” Mary!!!
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If by venerate, you mean worship… that is impossible… all worship belongs to God alone.

If by venerate, you mean honor… that is easy. St Peter and St Paul very well might have read the inspired words of St Luke as he taught then and now… “…all generations shall call me blessed…”

All means all. Hopefully all will include Hisalone.

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rinnie said:
Bring it on hisalone. Isn’t it funny how all of a sudden when he says he will be gone for a day or so you attack. I will also be gone for the weekend but show me where ONE piece of his scripture was taken out of context. Then show me YOUR authority. Don’t think I will hear from you for awhile! But bring it on. Can’t wait to hear where he has taken scripture out of context. But if not pick on me! I am ready for you. Show me where I have said one thing that goes against the teachings of the Catholic Church!
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“Confess your sins one to another”

Does this sound like a Catholic confessional. No it sounds like an AA meeting. When was the last time the lady in the pew in front of you confessed her sins to you or you to her? When was the last time your bishop confessed his sins to the congregation. This has been lost in Christianity not only by Catholics but by other groups as well.
But dont use this verse to claim adherence in the confessional both because it just desnt fit.
 
Hisalone said:
“Confess your sins one to another”

Does this sound like a Catholic confessional. No it sounds like an AA meeting. When was the last time the lady in the pew in front of you confessed her sins to you or you to her? When was the last time your bishop confessed his sins to the congregation. This has been lost in Christianity not only by Catholics but by other groups as well.
But dont use this verse to claim adherence in the confessional both because it just desnt fit.
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Yeah, I guess we just need to recreate an upper room where Jesus first instituted the Sacrament of Reconciliation… giving the power to forgive sin in His name to the Apostles. Coupled with their un-recinded power to bind and lose, we have the ongoing Sacrament in full force.

Only the names have changed to protect the guilty.

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Hisalone said:
We are in the midst of a cultural war. The spirit of this age is fighting agianst bible based Christianity becasue you are blind to it does not mean that it doesnt exist.
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And it is Catholicism that gets attacked by not only the world BUT BY OTHER CHRISTIANS. Catholicism has become more ecumenical over the years, even though we are called all sorts of names and accused of all kinds of things by OTHER CHRISTIANS. Of course this makes sense. If Jesus said that the “Gates of hell would not prevail agianst it” it follows that He knew attacks would come. Truth be told, I am really tired of Fundamentalists who come here not becuse they are curious about Catholicism, but because they are so daft to think that they can prove the Church wrong.
 
MrS said:
Yeah, I guess we just need to recreate an upper room where Jesus first instituted the Sacrament of Reconciliation… giving the power to forgive sin in His name to the Apostles. Coupled with their un-recinded power to bind and lose, we have the ongoing Sacrament in full force.

Only the names have changed to protect the guilty.

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Just address my point or can you?
 
MrS said:
Is that the best you can do with the scenario I suggested??

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There is not cnsistency between what Peter and Paul taught and what the RC has taught throughout the ages.
This is an example can you address it?
 
I’m going to chime in here even though it may seem a bit OT.

As a Protestant for over 25 years who has almost completely decided upon joining the Catholic Church, I’ll give you an over-simplified reason for my decision.

Having done some research on the Catholic church (e.g. reading the Catechism, Church history, studying the saints), one point that stands out to me with such clarity that I feel almost embarrassed for not noticing it before is this; the Catholic church has exemplified most accurately and with surprising fervor the fundamental tenants of Christ and the requirements of those who profess faith in him.

As I listen to Catholic homilies and Protestant sermons, I’m acutely aware of the points they focus on. Catholics have the right understanding of suffering, community, solidarity and even commerce to name just a few. Catholicism continually points to Christ and earnestly desires to not just share in His sufferings, but be more perfectly conformed to Him.

Most (I’ll admit not all, but most) Protestant sermons and ideology has behind it a very subtle but real motive - the “I” or me of Christian experience seems to force its way up further in doctrine than it was ever intended to be.

The Catholicticity (if I can use such a word) of Christ is nowhere more distinct than in Luke 22:42: “Father, if you are willing, take this cup from me; yet not my will, but yours be done.”

Here, our Blessed Lord, the Great Revolutionist of the world readily accepts and acknowledges His position of authority in the light of an extremely horrible immediate future. He did not call on the Heavenly Hosts to change His circumstances; instead, He obediently and humbly faced what the Father intended Him to face. He did not quote scripture that reinforced His Kingship and Title so as to persuade the Father to change His mind - He yielded wholly and completely to the Father’s will in spite of what was to come. This is a practice that is pervasive throughout Catholic teaching.

I’ve also seen that since the Reformation, there has always been an attempt by Protestants to conform historical teaching to what they believe to be more palatable or acceptable.
 
wxboss said:
I’m going to chime in here even though it may seem a bit OT.

As a Protestant for over 25 years who has almost completely decided upon joining the Catholic Church, I’ll give you an over-simplified reason for my decision.

Having done some research on the Catholic church (e.g. reading the Catechism, Church history, studying the saints), one point that stands out to me with such clarity that I feel almost embarrassed for not noticing it before is this; the Catholic church has exemplified most accurately and with surprising fervor the fundamental tenants of Christ and the requirements of those who profess faith in him.

As I listen to Catholic homilies and Protestant sermons, I’m acutely aware of the points they focus on. Catholics have the right understanding of suffering, community, solidarity and even commerce to name just a few. Catholicism continually points to Christ and earnestly desires to not just share in His sufferings, but be more perfectly conformed to Him.

Most (I’ll admit not all, but most) Protestant sermons and ideology has behind it a very subtle but real motive - the “I” or me of Christian experience seems to force its way up further in doctrine than it was ever intended to be.

The Catholicticity (if I can use such a word) of Christ is nowhere more distinct than in Luke 22:42: “Father, if you are willing, take this cup from me; yet not my will, but yours be done.”

Here, our Blessed Lord, the Great Revolutionist of the world readily accepts and acknowledges His position of authority in the light of an extremely horrible immediate future. He did not call on the Heavenly Hosts to change His circumstances; instead, He obediently and humbly faced what the Father intended Him to face. He did not quote scripture that reinforced His Kingship and Title so as to persuade the Father to change His mind - He yielded wholly and completely to the Father’s will in spite of what was to come. This is a practice that is pervasive throughout Catholic teaching.

I’ve also seen that since the Reformation, there has always been an attempt by Protestants to conform historical teaching to what they believe to be more palatable or acceptable.
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Thank you for your (name removed by moderator)ut. It is quite accurate. I only wish more Catholics understood the great gift God has given to them through His Church.

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1beleevr said:
mdk: Thanks for the invitation!😃 I was a bit confused by your reference to Mary Magdelene(the first person to see the risen Christ)!I hope that you arenot thinking that she was the alleged adultress from John 8;) This woman was never identified by name, and I believe that Mary Magdelene, became a staunch and devoted follower of Christ, after He rid her of seven demons!And don’t be so anal about your religion:D I am not condemning"true" doctrines, nor do I rejoice in bad news about any denomination! Rather, I feel sadness, and am shocked; being as it seems that yours has had it’s share of bad news:cool:
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Your confusion may come from my proper perspective on “let the one without sin, case the first stone.” Perhaps you had not understood this properly, or how to apply it.

You go against the docrines of Christ. You are seeking to sow discord, instead of the truth. That much is obvious.

I wish I could believe you on your not rejoicing in the bad news, but your posts don’t support that you “feel sadness.” I’m not sorry that I don’t believe you, because I don’t think anyone should believe what you’ve said in this regard.

I also asked you “Was this a Catholic teaching, or behavior opposed to Catholic teaching? Please let us know if you will you at least be fair minded on this.” **Do you care to show us whether you’re willing to be fair about this? **
 
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