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DavidMark
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He said legalized, not started!
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joe370
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Originally Posted by dizzy_dave View Post
What is the quickest, easiest way to prove to a Baptist that the Catholic church is the true church Jesus Christ founded, and is still the true church?
I am all ears…Convince me and I will be forced to leave the CC and become a Baptist…and I am serious!!! **
What is the quickest, easiest way to prove to a Baptist that the Catholic church is the true church Jesus Christ founded, and is still the true church?
**So, the Catholic church is NOT the true church, Jesus Christ founded; it is a man-made church? it is the Baptist church as opposed to the CC and the EOC that was built by Jesus, with the rich and ancient history, that adheres to the apostolic teachings? The Baptist church is where the true Biblical Christians can be found, as is the case with most non-Catholic churches? Your contention is: The Baptist church existed in many small groups long before Constantine legalized Christianity?
I am all ears…Convince me and I will be forced to leave the CC and become a Baptist…and I am serious!!! **
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Mosacked
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Let’s use simple sense. According to Jesus,
Many are called, but few are chosen. Even some of those who call him ‘Lord’ will not get to enter heaven. It is harder for the rich to enter heaven than for the camel to enter through the ‘eye of the needle’.
What does the above teach us? It TELLS us that VERY few will be saved…many will try, but few will make it.
NOW…ask yourself is Catholicism not one of the LARGEST religious establishment known to mankind?
If the criteria is the physical church and the Roman Catholics are the ones to be saved…then how can it be ‘few are chosen’??? It would be ‘the majority are chosen’.
- The church is not a physical establishment, it is a spiritual church. Don’t expect God to say ‘this church is saved, and everyone in it has everlasting life’, while ‘that church is condemned and everyone in it is doomed’.
Jesus said we worship God in Truth & Spirit. Not in sacraments & membership to worldly demarcations.
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Deconi
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Utter, Rubbish!
Why bother coming down here and dying to save a “few”?? Is God’s life only worth a remnant?
God desires ALL be One, and ALL be saved!
How can ALL be saved if no-one knows the rules and requirements to enter Heaven?
Enter, some institution with the ‘roadcode book’ left here by The Son.
Where is that ‘institution.’?
Well, clearly you have found yours.
Read and learn some more; otherwise,…good luck with that!
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Deconi
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You’re NOT trying to prove understanding,(theology) but providing tangible evidence.
So…provide your friend with the Popes List!
(Many Christians, including Catholics, do not even know Peter was the first Pope!)
Then ask him/her to provide you with the Baptist’s list!
The next thing you know will be arguments about specific Popes, Constantine, Eastern Orthodox, Bible snippets and ‘Catholics follow man-made this and that.’ In other words, shooting the various links of the lineage and trying to discredit it, instead of seeing the obvious.
When that happens, just suggest s/he look the list up and the time period of the individual Popes reigns…all the way back to Matt.16.!! Point out that some of the Popes do not have “Saint” in their monickers and for good reason.
Then ‘walk away.’! Your work is done.
If they want the truth, they’ll do the rest. If not, they’ll do the rest.
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joe370
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**OK…Give me the name of the man that built the CC and I will give you the name of the man that built every other church…
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Bill_Pick
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I just was not thinking,I was about 300 years late, I just do know what I was thinking about,Sorry
I was reading about the Church History and some peak moments and out of the blue I said Canstantine,can you forgive me or does 300 years help my at all…LOL…thats the first time I have been wrong is 43 years,smile
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I was reading about the Church History and some peak moments and out of the blue I said Canstantine,can you forgive me or does 300 years help my at all…LOL…thats the first time I have been wrong is 43 years,smile
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DavidMark
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Let’s start over. Some people do not even believe there is a God.
If for the appearance of that Divine Essence thou desirest to have a definite proof, an indisputable testimony and a strong, convincing evidence, thou must prepare thyself to make thy heart empty and thine eye ready to look only toward the Kingdom of God. …the greatest and strongest proof for showing the abundance of the Spirit to the bodies is the very appearance of its power and influence in those bodies.
(Tablets of Abdu’l-Baha v3, p. 705)
Show some catholicity and include all the people of the world in your conclusions.
If for the appearance of that Divine Essence thou desirest to have a definite proof, an indisputable testimony and a strong, convincing evidence, thou must prepare thyself to make thy heart empty and thine eye ready to look only toward the Kingdom of God. …the greatest and strongest proof for showing the abundance of the Spirit to the bodies is the very appearance of its power and influence in those bodies.
(Tablets of Abdu’l-Baha v3, p. 705)
Show some catholicity and include all the people of the world in your conclusions.
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Leslie_Polley
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This is your answer…are you on drugs…Christ is the head of the church…WE are the church, that is who He is coming back for. All who believe in His name and accept Him as Saviour. He does not go by a church name or He would have named it…He could have done that. His whole point for Dieing for us was so that WE could enter into eternity with Him. All of this haggling over…My church is better than your church is rubish…You miss the whole point. and YES only as few (big number when we consider all who have been born and all who will be) But the way is narrow…The choice is CHOOSING Jesus, living for Him, keeping His commandments, and the GREATEST command He gave was Love your brother…or neighbor as yourself…Love is the greatest for only this will never die. I think satan is realy smart to keep us ALL debating about what is not important and losing sight of what is. God help us all.You’re NOT trying to prove understanding,(theology) but providing tangible evidence.
So…provide your friend with the Popes List!
(Many Christians, including Catholics, do not even know Peter was the first Pope!)
Then ask him/her to provide you with the Baptist’s list!
The next thing you know will be arguments about specific Popes, Constantine, Eastern Orthodox, Bible snippets and ‘Catholics follow man-made this and that.’ In other words, shooting the various links of the lineage and trying to discredit it, instead of seeing the obvious.
When that happens, just suggest s/he look the list up and the time period of the individual Popes reigns…all the way back to Matt.16.!! Point out that some of the Popes do not have “Saint” in their monickers and for good reason.
Then ‘walk away.’! Your work is done.
If they want the truth, they’ll do the rest. If not, they’ll do the rest.
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Deconi
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Umm…hmmm…nope!
That does not answer the request of the OP. Sorry.
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Dokimas
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Utter, Rubbish!
Why bother coming down here and dying to save a “few”?? Is God’s life only worth a remnant?
God desires ALL be One, and ALL be saved!
How can ALL be saved if no-one knows the rules and requirements to enter Heaven?
Enter, some institution with the ‘roadcode book’ left here by The Son.
Where is that ‘institution.’?
Well, clearly you have found yours.
Read and learn some more; otherwise,…good luck with that!
Look up ‘remnant’ in your concordance. Unfortunately its the remnant that will be God centered instead of self-centered. God mentions a remnant over and over again in His Word.
Sure God desires us to be one and saved. Our biggest enemy is ourself. We too often want it our way or the easy way.
All won’t be saved. God has placed in each one of us, saved and unsaved, a moral conscience with an internal understanding of the rules.Romans 2:
11 For there is no partiality with God.
12 For as many as have sinned without law will also perish without law, and as many as have sinned in the law will be judged by the law
13 (for not the hearers of the law are just in the sight of God, but the doers of the law will be justified;
14 for when Gentiles, who do not have the law, by nature do the things in the law, these, although not having the law, are a law to themselves,
15 who show the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and between themselves their thoughts accusing or else excusing them)
16 in the day when God will judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ, according to my gospel.
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Leslie_Polley
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What odd beliefs are you talking about???
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DavidMark
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Dokimas: I did look up “ remnant” in my various concordances ( have the Ocean program that accesses all Scriptures, Jewish, Islamic, Christian, Baha’i, etc.
bahai-education.org/ocean/ )
It is part of Jesus’ promise that when He returned, the time of the gentiles would be completed, and a remnant of the Jews would also return. They had not yet been pushed out of the land by the Romans when He said this. (Luke 21:7 & 24) Now that Israel is once again a State, the Promised One must be in the world!
Isaiah 10:21 The remnant shall return, even the remnant of Jacob, unto the mighty God.
During the time when (the Báb, whose mission was 1844-1850) was among the people He was constantly heralding the coming of Bahá’u’lláh… He says,** “O Remnant of God! **I am wholly sacrificed to Thee; I am content with curses in Thy path; I crave nought but to be slain in Thy love; and God, the Supreme, sufficeth as an eternal protection.”
When the Báb was executed, Bahá’u’lláh charged the perpetrators:** “Thou hast torn in pieces a remnant of the Prophet Himself, and imagined that thou hadst helped the Faith of God.”**
To the believers, He warned:
When a true seeker determineth to take the step of search in the path leading unto the knowledge of the Ancient of Days, he must, before all else, cleanse his heart, which is the seat of the revelation of the inner mysteries of God, from the obscuring dust of all acquired knowledge, and the allusions of the embodiments of satanic fancy…He must so cleanse his heart that no remnant of either love or hate may linger therein, lest that love blindly incline him to error, or that hate repel him away from the truth.
Know, verily, the heart wherein the least remnant of envy yet lingers, shall never attain My everlasting dominion, nor inhale the sweet savors of holiness breathing from My kingdom of sanctity.
bahai-education.org/ocean/ )
It is part of Jesus’ promise that when He returned, the time of the gentiles would be completed, and a remnant of the Jews would also return. They had not yet been pushed out of the land by the Romans when He said this. (Luke 21:7 & 24) Now that Israel is once again a State, the Promised One must be in the world!
Isaiah 10:21 The remnant shall return, even the remnant of Jacob, unto the mighty God.
During the time when (the Báb, whose mission was 1844-1850) was among the people He was constantly heralding the coming of Bahá’u’lláh… He says,** “O Remnant of God! **I am wholly sacrificed to Thee; I am content with curses in Thy path; I crave nought but to be slain in Thy love; and God, the Supreme, sufficeth as an eternal protection.”
When the Báb was executed, Bahá’u’lláh charged the perpetrators:** “Thou hast torn in pieces a remnant of the Prophet Himself, and imagined that thou hadst helped the Faith of God.”**
To the believers, He warned:
When a true seeker determineth to take the step of search in the path leading unto the knowledge of the Ancient of Days, he must, before all else, cleanse his heart, which is the seat of the revelation of the inner mysteries of God, from the obscuring dust of all acquired knowledge, and the allusions of the embodiments of satanic fancy…He must so cleanse his heart that no remnant of either love or hate may linger therein, lest that love blindly incline him to error, or that hate repel him away from the truth.
Know, verily, the heart wherein the least remnant of envy yet lingers, shall never attain My everlasting dominion, nor inhale the sweet savors of holiness breathing from My kingdom of sanctity.
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Leslie_Polley
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ummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm yepUmm…hmmm…nope!
That does not answer the request of the OP. Sorry.
and I have no idea what the request of the OP is because I don’t know who or what th OP is…DUUUUUUUUH dumb ol me.
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Leslie_Polley
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Oh they don’t anymore. My my things have changed. so Peter was not the head of the church on earth…I thought you taught he was. I have been saying Christ is the Head, and told I was wrong…(now not somonamous with the church), but The Head…that makes US the body…Great no more problem…Well glad to hear the Pope is not the head…who is he then?
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Deconi
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He is The Vicar of Christ, appointed by Him when He built The Church on Peter and GAVE him the KEYS of the Kingdom. Peter, Linus,…Clement…Cregory…Pius…John Paul 2, Ben16.
That’s the lineage that Christ created.
The Original Poster is the one who posed the question for the thread.
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Leslie_Polley
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No thats the lineage that man created.He is The Vicar of Christ, appointed by Him when He built The Church on Peter and GAVE him the KEYS of the Kingdom. Peter, Linus,…Clement…Cregory…Pius…John Paul 2, Ben16.
That’s the lineage that Christ created.
The Original Poster is the one who posed the question for the thread.
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Deconi
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Yeah! And what a Man He is!
He suffered death and was buried! On the third day He rose again! He ascended into Heaven and is seated at the right hand of The Father!..
Fortunately, He left a Vicar to lead His Church until He returns!
What a man!
Does your ‘faith’ have a human link pass your pastor to the time of THAT Man? Save yourself time; you don’t! I’d be surprised if you can even trace back pass this decade!
OPEN YOUR MIND!
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DavidMark
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I find it strange that not much mention is made about the arising of the church after three days of inertia. Christians talk about His personal body, which no one has seen for a long time; but neglect that the Church was The Body, through which He would walk and talk!
Ephesians 5:23 For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body.
Ephesians1:21-23 Far above all principality, and power, and might, and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this world, but also in that which is to come: And hath put all things under his feet, and gave him to be the head over all things to the church, which is his body, the fulness of him that filleth all in all.
Ephesians 5:23 For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body.
Ephesians1:21-23 Far above all principality, and power, and might, and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this world, but also in that which is to come: And hath put all things under his feet, and gave him to be the head over all things to the church, which is his body, the fulness of him that filleth all in all.
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rev_kevin
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As mentioned in the Acts of the Apostles, it is true that the followers of Christ early became known as “Christians.” {Acts 11:26}
In the N.T. the church is simply called “the church.” In the early time there were not yet any break away bodies “substantial” enough to be rival claimants of the name and from which the church might ever have to distingush herself.
Very early in post-Apostolic times, however, the church did aquire proper name and precisely in order to distingush herself from rival bodies which by then were “already beginning to form.” The name that the church aquired when it became necessary for her to have a proprer name was the name by which she has been known ever since “the Catholic Church.”
The true church was simply called “the church” not the “Catholic church.” The name was aquired because there were other church’s forming. So other church’s have been around before the Catholic church was even named.
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