Punishment Aceh style

[Seamus_L]

I don’t think caning is the answer, but I believe homosexual acts should be illegal, just as they used to be in Christian societies.

 

[Faithdancer]

The Catechism is the main reference of the Church aside from Canon Law. You’re just pushing it aside and saying ‘I have my own opinion?’

Do you understand the nature of hierarchy?

Not bound by it. And this really is way off topic.

 

[gracepoole]

Not bound by it. And this really is way off topic.

No, it’s not. You brought up God. For Catholics, God and the Church are aligned. That you don’t abide by such belief is one thing. But it most definitely is not “way off topic.” If the Church prohibits torture, then so does God. Caning is immoral as a result.

 

[StudentMI]

No, it’s not. You brought up God. For Catholics, God and the Church are aligned. That you don’t abide by such belief is one thing. But it most definitely is not “way off topic.” If the Church prohibits torture, then so does God. Caning is immoral as a result.

Not to mention, a ‘traditional Anglican’ not bound by hierarchy? Really?

 

[Faithdancer]

I don’t think caning is the answer, but I believe homosexual acts should be illegal, just as they used to be in Christian societies.

Agreed. And I haven’t said I support the degree of caning, though I don’t know how much physical trauma was inflicted, the punished being apparently clothed. As someone pointed out here earlier, if it doesn’t cause some sort of pain, it’s not punishment. Whether that pain is physical, emotional, economic, psychic, etc. Apparently since these two homosexuals were adults, the state authorities consider their action to be willful disobedience.
As well as blind lust, of course. But they can’t please ignorance, I don’t think. Maybe addiction?

 

[StudentMI]

Agreed. And I haven’t said I support the degree if caning, though I don’t know how much physical trauma was inflicted, the punished being apparently clothed. As someone pointed out here earlier, if it doesn’t cause some sort of pain, it’s not punishment. Whether that pain is physical, emotional, economic, psychic, etc. Apparently since these two homosexuals were adults, the state authorities consider their action to be will full disobedience.
As well as blind lust, of course

So you have never read up on what judicial caning is and you started a thread gloating over it?

It’s not a spanking, man. It’s mutilation.

 

[Inisfallen]

Reading this thread, and engaging with the personalities in it, I’m reminded of something C.S. Lewis wrote, in Mere Christianity:

Finally, though I have had to speak at some length about sex, I want to make it as clear as I possibly can that the centre of Christian morality is not here. If anyone thinks that Christians regard unchastity as the supreme vice, he is quite wrong. The sins of the flesh are bad, but they are the least bad of all sins. All of the worst pleasures are purely spiritual: the pleasure of putting other people in the wrong, of bossing and patronising and spoiling sport, and back-biting, the pleasures of power, of hatred. For there are two things inside me, competing with the human self which I must try to become. They are the Animal self and the Diabolical self. The Diabolical self is the worse of the two. This is why a cold, self-righteous prig who goes regularly to church may be far nearer to hell than a prostitute. But of course, it is better to be neither.

Faithdancer, do you see anything that rings a bell in there?

I’m assuming that, as an Anglican, you’re a reader and a fan of Lewis.

 

[Faithdancer]

Homosexual activity is a crime in their society. The guilty men knew that, they did it anyway. I actually have no emotional connection to it either way. No self-righteous liberal indignation, and no personal satisfaction (e.g.“gloating”) either.
And I won’t be bullied into accepting homosexual activity as healthy or morally good, either. Not here, not anywhere.

 

[StudentMI]

Homosexual activity is a crime in their society. The guilty men knew that, they did it anyway. I actually have no emotional connection to it either way. No self-righteous liberal indignation, and no personal satisfaction (e.g.“gloating”) either.
And I won’t be bullied into accepting homosexual activity as healthy or morally good, either. Not here, not anywhere.

And no one was bullying you. Christianity is a crime in ISIS territory. Guess those martyrs were foolish for standing up for their faith, huh?

 

[Inisfallen]

Agreed. And I haven’t said I support the degree of caning. . .

That’s true, you didn’t say that. You built enough deniability into your post to wriggle out of it if you had to.

I’m not a big fan of deniability. If you say something, own it. Come right out with it. Be up front about what you believe.

It’s pretty clear from your posts what you think of this punishment.

 

[Faithdancer]

Reading this thread, and engaging with the personalities in it, I’m reminded of something C.S. Lewis wrote, in Mere Christianity:

Faithdancer, do you see anything that rings a bell in there?

I’m assuming that, as an Anglican, you’re a reader and a fan of Lewis.

Then you assume too much. And no, I’m not a moral relativist either. Nor am I a semi-Pelagian.
There is a huge difference between speaking out against institutionalized evils like homosexual adoration vs. declaring ones’ self to be without sin. All are sinners, all deserve God’s wrath. Conversely, recognizing that one is totally depraved-as all mankind is–doesn’t entail that one shouldn’t speak out against public acceptance of sin as virtue.
But that is the achievement of the homosexual agenda in America, in my opinion. Sodomy is now virtuous.

 

[Inisfallen]

And I won’t be bullied into accepting homosexual activity as healthy or morally good, either. Not here, not anywhere.

You’re not being bullied. Don’t attempt to claim victim status here.

People are disagreeing with you. Even disagreeing strongly with you. That doesn’t amount to bullying.

 

[Faithdancer]

And no one was bullying you. Christianity is a crime in ISIS territory. Guess those martyrs were foolish for standing up for their faith, huh?

Sorry. I can’t in any way equate Christian Martyrdom with homosexual activity. Just…can’t…go…there.

 

[Faithdancer]

That’s true, you didn’t say that. You built enough deniability into your post to wriggle out of it if you had to.

I’m not a big fan of deniability. If you say something, own it. Come right out with it. Be up front about what you believe.

It’s pretty clear from your posts what you think of this punishment.

Think whatever you like.

 

[Faithdancer]

You’re not being bullied. Don’t attempt to claim victim status here.

People are disagreeing with you. Even disagreeing strongly with you. That doesn’t amount to bullying.

Then discuss the issue, not the poster.

 

[StudentMI]

Sorry. I can’t in any way equate Christian Martyrdom with homosexual activity. Just…can’t…go…there.

And yet… If you’re speaking in a morally relativist way about law (their country, their laws = just and moral) you can’t really escape that conundrum. Unless a higher law exists. And then we’re on a different playing field altogether.

You say you don’t agree with caning, and you clearly don’t understand what a judicial caning is, yet you start this thread… Why?

 

[Faithdancer]

No, it’s not. You brought up God. For Catholics, God and the Church are aligned. That you don’t abide by such belief is one thing. But it most definitely is not “way off topic.” If the Church prohibits torture, then so does God. Caning is immoral as a result.

God proscribes homosexual activity. I think what the government of Aceh does is considerably less than what God has said the punishment should be.

 

[StudentMI]

youtu.be/LDohm5I7kFg

Pope Francis hugging an old friend and his gay partner. I didn’t see any caning in this video. Did I miss it?

 

[Fiasco]

You’re justifying this kind of punishment of homosexual activity?

That’s nothing compared with what they’ll get if they die unrepentant.

i don’t condone shariah law, neither did Faithdancer say he does. He’s simply pointing out the “newsworthiness” of this article because it involves SSA men caught in the act.

Why are you projecting glee?
They took a risk, and got caught. Do you disagree?
Homosexual activity is wicked. Do you disagree?
“Glee” has nothing to do with it.

Sadly, most Westeners seem to think it’s OK. Very few self-professed Christians have the foggiest idea about the spiritual AND physical consequences of sin.
What Our Lord said to St Catherine of Siena regarding sodomy is frightening. Other saints and mystics have been told the same sort of thing.

 

[ATraveller]

God proscribes homosexual activity. I think what the government of Aceh does is considerably less than what God has said the punishment should be.

He does for a lot of other things too and strangely we don’t see many calling for punishments for those other sins.