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I don’t think caning is the answer, but I believe homosexual acts should be illegal, just as they used to be in Christian societies.
Not bound by it. And this really is way off topic.The Catechism is the main reference of the Church aside from Canon Law. You’re just pushing it aside and saying ‘I have my own opinion?’
Do you understand the nature of hierarchy?
No, it’s not. You brought up God. For Catholics, God and the Church are aligned. That you don’t abide by such belief is one thing. But it most definitely is not “way off topic.” If the Church prohibits torture, then so does God. Caning is immoral as a result.Not bound by it. And this really is way off topic.![]()
Not to mention, a ‘traditional Anglican’ not bound by hierarchy? Really?No, it’s not. You brought up God. For Catholics, God and the Church are aligned. That you don’t abide by such belief is one thing. But it most definitely is not “way off topic.” If the Church prohibits torture, then so does God. Caning is immoral as a result.
Agreed. And I haven’t said I support the degree of caning, though I don’t know how much physical trauma was inflicted, the punished being apparently clothed. As someone pointed out here earlier, if it doesn’t cause some sort of pain, it’s not punishment. Whether that pain is physical, emotional, economic, psychic, etc. Apparently since these two homosexuals were adults, the state authorities consider their action to be willful disobedience.I don’t think caning is the answer, but I believe homosexual acts should be illegal, just as they used to be in Christian societies.
So you have never read up on what judicial caning is and you started a thread gloating over it?Agreed. And I haven’t said I support the degree if caning, though I don’t know how much physical trauma was inflicted, the punished being apparently clothed. As someone pointed out here earlier, if it doesn’t cause some sort of pain, it’s not punishment. Whether that pain is physical, emotional, economic, psychic, etc. Apparently since these two homosexuals were adults, the state authorities consider their action to be will full disobedience.
As well as blind lust, of course
Faithdancer, do you see anything that rings a bell in there?Finally, though I have had to speak at some length about sex, I want to make it as clear as I possibly can that the centre of Christian morality is not here. If anyone thinks that Christians regard unchastity as the supreme vice, he is quite wrong. The sins of the flesh are bad, but they are the least bad of all sins. All of the worst pleasures are purely spiritual: the pleasure of putting other people in the wrong, of bossing and patronising and spoiling sport, and back-biting, the pleasures of power, of hatred. For there are two things inside me, competing with the human self which I must try to become. They are the Animal self and the Diabolical self. The Diabolical self is the worse of the two. This is why a cold, self-righteous prig who goes regularly to church may be far nearer to hell than a prostitute. But of course, it is better to be neither.
And no one was bullying you. Christianity is a crime in ISIS territory. Guess those martyrs were foolish for standing up for their faith, huh?Homosexual activity is a crime in their society. The guilty men knew that, they did it anyway. I actually have no emotional connection to it either way. No self-righteous liberal indignation, and no personal satisfaction (e.g.“gloating”) either.
And I won’t be bullied into accepting homosexual activity as healthy or morally good, either. Not here, not anywhere.
That’s true, you didn’t say that. You built enough deniability into your post to wriggle out of it if you had to.Agreed. And I haven’t said I support the degree of caning. . .
Then you assume too much. And no, I’m not a moral relativist either. Nor am I a semi-Pelagian.Reading this thread, and engaging with the personalities in it, I’m reminded of something C.S. Lewis wrote, in Mere Christianity:
Faithdancer, do you see anything that rings a bell in there?
I’m assuming that, as an Anglican, you’re a reader and a fan of Lewis.
You’re not being bullied. Don’t attempt to claim victim status here.And I won’t be bullied into accepting homosexual activity as healthy or morally good, either. Not here, not anywhere.
Sorry. I can’t in any way equate Christian Martyrdom with homosexual activity. Just…can’t…go…there.And no one was bullying you. Christianity is a crime in ISIS territory. Guess those martyrs were foolish for standing up for their faith, huh?
Think whatever you like.That’s true, you didn’t say that. You built enough deniability into your post to wriggle out of it if you had to.
I’m not a big fan of deniability. If you say something, own it. Come right out with it. Be up front about what you believe.
It’s pretty clear from your posts what you think of this punishment.
Then discuss the issue, not the poster.You’re not being bullied. Don’t attempt to claim victim status here.
People are disagreeing with you. Even disagreeing strongly with you. That doesn’t amount to bullying.
And yet… If you’re speaking in a morally relativist way about law (their country, their laws = just and moral) you can’t really escape that conundrum. Unless a higher law exists. And then we’re on a different playing field altogether.Sorry. I can’t in any way equate Christian Martyrdom with homosexual activity. Just…can’t…go…there.
God proscribes homosexual activity. I think what the government of Aceh does is considerably less than what God has said the punishment should be.No, it’s not. You brought up God. For Catholics, God and the Church are aligned. That you don’t abide by such belief is one thing. But it most definitely is not “way off topic.” If the Church prohibits torture, then so does God. Caning is immoral as a result.
That’s nothing compared with what they’ll get if they die unrepentant.You’re justifying this kind of punishment of homosexual activity?
Sadly, most Westeners seem to think it’s OK. Very few self-professed Christians have the foggiest idea about the spiritual AND physical consequences of sin.Why are you projecting glee?
They took a risk, and got caught. Do you disagree?
Homosexual activity is wicked. Do you disagree?
“Glee” has nothing to do with it.
He does for a lot of other things too and strangely we don’t see many calling for punishments for those other sins.God proscribes homosexual activity. I think what the government of Aceh does is considerably less than what God has said the punishment should be.